ALL TRUMP!!! ALL THE TIME!!!

Happy?

Yes actually! Thank you. I didn't go into that thread figured it was a Biden haven.

"We won two world wars. Beautiful world wars. That were vicious and horrible. And we won them out of Fort Bragg, we won them out of all of these forts, and now they want to throw those names away" -- Trump

"Go to that community where Fort Bragg is, in a great state, I love that state, go to the community, say how do you like the idea of renaming Fort Bragg, and then what are we going to name it? Are we gonna name it after Al Sharpton?"

Bragg is generally considered among the worst generals of the Civil War. Most of the battles in which he engaged ended in defeat. Bragg was extremely unpopular with both the men and the officers of his command, who criticized him for numerous perceived faults, including poor battlefield strategy, a quick temper, and overzealous discipline. Bragg has a generally poor reputation with historians, though some point towards the failures of Bragg's subordinates, especially Leonidas Polk—a close ally of Jefferson Davis and known enemy of Bragg—as more significant factors in the many Confederate defeats at Bragg's command. The losses which Bragg suffered are cited as principal factors in the ultimate defeat of the Confederacy.

the fort names should be left alone. Many of the forts named after confederate generals is because of reconciliation between the north and the south.

The forts were established prior to the end of the Civil War, and have nothing to do with the Reconstruction Acts of 1867-1868.

The forts were established prior to the end of the Civil War, and have nothing to do with the Reconstruction Acts of 1867-1868.

Seriously. Call em Fort:City they're in/next to.

I couldn't care less if I went to Fort Leonard Wood or Fort number 17 or Fort St. Roberts or Fort Pulaski County. It makes absolutely zero difference.

I'm not sure where your information is coming from, but there are currently 10 U.S. Army installations named after Confederates and they were all established in the 1900s around the times of the World Wars.

Camp Beauregard - 1917
Fort Benning - 1918
Fort Bragg - 1918
Fort Gordon - 1941
Fort A.P. Hill - 1940
Fort Hood - 1942
Fort Lee - 1917
Fort Pickett - 1942
Fort Polk - 1941
Fort Rucker - 1942

And who in the flying *** thought the career crook and fraud Al Sharpton should be on anything? That guy has never helped anyone but his bank account. He makes Don King look legit.

Beat me to it Rav, thanks.No they were not, Yes they did not. Do you not know how to google?

Those forts were named after much lobbying from the DotC in establishing and continuing the mythos of the lost cause.

Whoooooooosh*

Read the comment I was responding to regarding forts from the "reconciliation" aka Reconstruction as it is actually referred to. This can't be that hard.

That idea came from Trump during his meltdown interview.

*Try /blush Nice try at a save.

Oh so Al Sharpton isn't actually one of the possible name that the bill wanted to change to? Is there a list that they are considering?

So that basically means volkoms info is also wrong? The names have nothing to do with reconciliation, they were all formed during a World War, so it should be easy to rename them all after World War generals. You know, actual winners.

Originally, U.S. forts or posts were named primarily for war heroes or prominent figures in American history, as determined by the War Department and the headquarters of the Army. But on many occasions, naming decisions were left up to local commanders; as a result, most installations prior to World War I were named innocuously for whoever the Army district C.O. or neighborhood leaders wanted.
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After the war, the Army formalized how it named posts, forts, and installations through a board called the Army Memorialization Board. Governed by Army regulations, this board was charged with ensuring all Army post names met at least one of five criteria. Someone who was so honored would need to be:

“a national hero of absolute preeminence by virtue of high position,
an individual who held a position of high and extensive responsibility (Army and above) and whose death was a result of battle wounds,
an individual who held a position of high and extensive responsibility and whose death was not a result of battle wounds,
an individual who performed an act of heroism or who held a position of high responsibility and whose death was a result of battle wounds, and
an individual who performed an act of heroism or who held a position of high responsibility and whose death was not a result of battle wounds.”
The Army, evidently, concluded each C.S.A. name met at least one of these criteria.

By the early 1870s, these were the three clear memories of the war: the Lost Cause, Union Cause, and Emancipationist Cause. After federal troops withdrew from the South in 1877, a fourth memory of the war appeared: Reconciliation. In the 1880s and 1890s, a heightened spirit of national reconciliation peaked in the United States. Union and Confederate veterans commenced participating in joint Blue-Gray reunions, while popular magazines such as The Century increasingly valorized the battles and leaders of the war. In the 1890s, extolling the bravery of former foes would reach its zenith at the first national military parks—Chickamauga and Chattanooga, Gettysburg, Antietam, Shiloh, and Vicksburg—created through the joint efforts of Union and Confederate veterans. But when the two groups met at Blue-Gray reunions, they agreed to remain silent on the divisive political issues that had caused the conflict as well as the turmoil of Reconstruction. Instead they commiserated about the severity of camp life and marches while commending each other for their bravery on the field of battle. For Reconciliation to flourish, white northerners and southerners had to reach a compromise predicated upon the exaltation of military experience and the insistence that the causes of the war as well as the postwar consequences, namely Reconstruction, be ignored.
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it seems likely that for decades and perhaps generations to come, Americans will continue to grapple with questions of the war’s memory, of what to commemorate and what to condemn.

Those forts were named after much lobbying from the DotC in establishing and continuing the mythos of the lost cause.

A save at what? I was very specific about the claim of forts needing to be renamed from the reconstruction era. What about that is so difficult for you to understand?

It's reasonable to assume that Volkom is only concerned about the names of forts that actually exist today. Any Confederate-named forts established before the end of the Civil War are long gone, and therefore nobody is trying to change their names.

As far as I know, there is no list. The Army is exploring name changes, but it hasn't been given a list of names from Congress. Its going to be a decision that's made within the military. Trump just made up the name in an attempt to mock the effort.

Assumption = stupidity, always.

Ah, I didn't see the interview, or any interview, the title of the article Chanti posted just, implied Al Sharpton was mentioned as a possibility and Trump was against it. Though it would not surprise me if it was mentioned as a possibility buy some nutjob hence, my "Operation: Shock & Awe." ...