Random Politics & Religion #39: Guac is extra

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By fonewear 2019-10-24 15:15:39

Sylph.Jeanpaul said: »
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That aside, your argument hinges on the idea that somehow, undocumented immigrants are impersonating someone else on election day, without anybody (including the person they impersonated) noticing and doing anything about it.
Wrong! There are plenty of articles that point out illegals exist on the voter registration rolls. They do vote, the question is how big is this problem. That answer lies between 1 and all of them. And in places like California it is a jailable offense to even ASK.
Non-citizens sometimes do get registered to vote, generally by accident when getting a driver's license (which is legal), but they can be jailed for voting, so there's a protection there in place. Funny thing is, the solution to erroneous registration would simply be to automatically register citizens as voters, but the extra steps to register (and re-register) is in place to deter people from registering, or cull them from the list.

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Sylph.Jeanpaul said: »
If you want specific numbers, you can check the pdf in the link like a big boy. Most of the numbers I saw showed around 10%

I’ll call *** on that. In a country of 150 million voters, thats 15 million people without a valid ID. Who are these 15 million people without ID? People over 85 are about 6 million. Thats the only real substantive group that would be somewhat excluded from having an active driver’s license as they don't drive, or buy beer or whatnot.

20 million illegals in the country, i bet most of them don’t have active IDs.
How bout reading the *** pdf? Like why am I even responding to you if you're not gonna read it? It wasn't ~10% of all registered voters across the country, it was ~10% of voters in the individual studies, which specifically looked at individual elections by state.

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There are plenty of stories of people being turned away on election day, as they were surprised to find out that they were removed from the list. This, too, is by design.
Registration fraud is rampant. This is again how lefties cheat in election. Dead people, non citizens are on voter rolls and have voted.
Feel free to show some receipts. The "dead people" thing isn't winning elections. If you wanna get upset over election ***, get upset over gerrymandering, which is a problem on both sides (though moreso with Republicans).

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Lastly, it's outrageously absurd to put voting behind any kind of paywall; of all the things you wanna tax in this world, it's not *** democracy. Voter fraud isn't an issue. Voter disenfranchisement is.

It costs money to vote, whither thats in time out of work or in travel costs, it costs money to vote. Have the government subsidize it if you need to, stop illegal voting and democrat cheating.

Democrats don’t give a ***about foreign interference in our election. We’re inundated with people who don’t have a right to vote and are voting. We need to verify votes that are valid.
Oh, right, the Democrats are the ones holding back election security from foreign interference. That's why noted Democrat... *checks notes*... Mitch McConnell was so resistant towards approving funding for election security.

Now, if you wanna argue that non-citizens or felons or anyone who can't get an ID shouldn't be allowed to vote, then whatever, that's your opinion, and I don't need to change that, nor do I value your opinion. I personally believe every single person over 18 should have a fundamental right to vote on the grounds that they live in this country, regardless of the circumstances, and thus the impacts of elections affect them. But to act like there are massive cheating operations carried out by immigrants that are constantly changing election results means either you don't have faith in the electoral system and are too much of a lazy ***to do anything about it (including proving how it's a real problem), or you're a whiny baby who always has an excuse for why your shitty political party can't get anything helpful done despite having the presidency, Senate, and more than enough douchebags on the Supreme Court.

There now no one has to read this ***.

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Random Politics & Religion #39: Guac Is Extra