Random Politics & Religion #39: Guac Is Extra

Impeachment then, is something that the dems should lock away from the rest of the house?

Is it not that important?

The case will be presented to the rest of the House when it's ready. This was obvious from Day 1. Again, easy.

They won't listen, they are full bore support for the gestapo.

Something I had forgotten was what the Senate's been up to.

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/rep/releases/chairman-graham-introduces-resolution-condemning-house-of-representatives-closed-door-impeachment-process

So far they have 50 votes for this with the key items being the following.


These are all rules that were created by the Democrats during the Nixon impeachment, and followed exactly by the Republicans during the Clinton impeachment. Once the formal vote is taken and affirmed, a bipartisan panel is formed consisting of members from both majority and minority parties. Each member of that panel has the ability to subpoena testimony and question any witness any other member calls. The Democrats can call their own witness's and the Republican can do the same, each can question the others witness's. This creates a fair and open field where all aspects get investigated instead of the kangaroo court happening now.

Right now Schiff and his office decides on what evidence gets brought forth, decides on the questions, and then discuss's the questions with the witness's ahead of time. Questions to those witness's must be first submitted to Schiff and if he doesn't like it, it doesn't get asked. The handful of Republicans present during these interviews are not allowed to question the witness nor call their own witness's. And the entire time it's all kept super secret, except what Schiff wants leaked to WaPo. That is what makes this whole thing shady and why the Dems lost all credibility.

I mean look at these guys here, they don't even know how impeachment proceeding work, nor anything about due process or courts or pretty much anything that CNN hasn't told them. It's so blatantly this.

Democrats Good
Republicans Bad
Orange Man REALLY BAD

That's not what a cross-examination is. A cross-examination is a trial procedure, not an investigative one-- it'd be carried out by Trump's legal defense team. The Republicans present on those committees already have the ability to ask questions, etc.

When the contents of a specific testimony are rooted in classified information, yes. Laura Cooper is a Pentagon official and no doubt had to include classified DOD information (most likely about protocol) in her testimony.

Once again, this is where it all falls apart for poor Saevel. Its a complete lie, all 45 Republicans have been able to ask whatever questions they want for their allotted 5 minutes. This has been repeatedly confirmed by said Republicans. There is absolutely no evidence to the contrary, not even allegations to the contrary. We haven't seen a single Republican present at the hearings, out of all 45, say they were not allowed to participate.

That resolution has the legal significance of this gif:


Impeachment proceedings and inquiries function any way the House decides. They don't even need to vote on it. This is basic Constitution ***.

Its a catch 22.

Either this is an impeachment event and therefore it should 100% be out in public view, or it isn’t and can be hid from the rest of the house, but if isn’t important then its meaningless (as we have all insisted).

Hurr durr we arent going to detail the president’s “crimes” because of national security, so you’ll just have to trust us. He did it.

(Imagine thinking this was a compelling argument.)

So does this scam of an “inquiry”.

Lol

Not all testimonies are accounts of what happened, dipshit. Sometimes officials, employees, or experts are called in simply to detail routine protocol so the procedures are documented as evidence. It could be as straightforward as "this is how the Pentagon archives its data".

Better double check that Constitution, chief. Don't worry, the relevant info is at the beginning.

Lol, if they were doing it properly, then why does Pelosi need to cone out and now hold a vote?

Not sure why this is so difficult to understand. A vote was always going to happen if the investigation led to a need for it. The investigation was meant to be private, for the same reason all investigations are private across the various types of policing agencies. They don't want witness testimonies being influenced by other witness testimonies. The House is following the rules set forth by the Republican led House in 2015.

So then the democrats are holding a secret investigation into the president?

So they are hiding and covertly leaking the contents of this investigation without cross examination from the entire house?

And we’re still wondering why no one believes you?

No secrets...no hiding...no leaking. All conspiracy theories.

Yeah she pretty much had no choice in the matter. She either does it fairly or the Senate shuts the whole thing down on her. The house has the power to start impeachment but its the senate who has the power to end it. The Senate voting that they don't recognize the legitimacy of the houses kangaroo court would be a blow the Dems would never recover from. Everyone just turns their back and ignores them afterwards.

Just keeps trying to create new scenarios to justify his made up conspiracies. All 45 Republicans are allowed to cross examine each witness. There was an incident today, which according to nausi and Saevel, is impossible. The Dems objected to the GOP line of questioning. But wait, since when does the GOP get to ask questions? Oh, since the very beginning.

This is also a complete lie. The Senate has to start impeachment proceedings once the House passes the articles. Chief Justice John Roberts will preside. Its all in the Constitution. Its not optional.

You’re demonstrably wrong on all 3 bud.

Its being held behind locked doors
The entire house is not permitted to supervise
And your entire news narratives comes from selective leaks fron one side of the scam.

Yahoo news is 100% wrong.

Nope...initial investigations are private, the entire House supervising is not law, and the facts come from the rules set forth by then Republican-led House in 2015. There is no scam.

Nausi, you are 100% wrong. You keep pushing this fake narrative without a single shred of proof.

This is pretty much dead on. Its closed testimony to ensure no outside tampering, specifically from the WH, occurs. The WH has tried to block every witness from testifying so far, and failed each time since Sondland. The Dems have the subpoenas ready.

Optics, exactly the same reason why Republicans are trying to call it illegitimate. This vote to "legitimize" it is simply to say "there, majority agrees", even though everyone knows the House majority already agrees. The initial announcement was enough to legitimize it.

The Senate does not have the power to end an impeachment inquiry. The only thing Senate Republicans can do is wait until the House votes on the articles of impeachment, and then the Senate trial can start, presided over by Chief Justice John Roberts.

Nope.

House investigations aren’t all in the dark, especially when it regards the impeachment of the president. You are wrong, and Pelosi has revised herself BECAUSE she was wrong.

The only question remaining is will she actually correct the flaws or pretend to and let the media try and carry the illusion for her.

Yeah the optics are the house is holding a secret impeachment investigation of the president based on who knows what in regards to its legitimacy, the house cant chime in onto its validity (by design).

That isn’t precedent, and it isn’t acceptable to the public. Which is why Pelosi has caved on it.

Once again, precedent has nothing to do with the actual rules. And the public has been just fine with how the inquiry is going.

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Having one testimony in a secure chamber doesn't make it a secret impeachment investigation, kiddo. Precedent isn't required, the Constitution explicitly states the House makes the rules. The majority of the public supports it. Having Dems vote on it is a formality and will change nothing.

Also, almost all House investigations happen mostly behind closed doors, with some public hearings mixed in. There is nothing that is happening here that is unusual. Remember how Gowdys Benghazi witch Hunt took 2 entire years to find nothing. We are already light years ahead of that pace.

These two statements can’t both be true.

I mean they’re both false, but as far as reasoning goes, you know she wouldn’t hold a vote if she didnt need to.

Oh look, were back here again. The house does make the rules and the rules are the dems will hold a secret impeachment inquiry. That has never been done before, it is not precedent, which is why its a scam.

They’re holding it in secret BECAUSE they don’t have anything. If they had anything, THEY WOULD FOLLOW PRECEDENT. You have to know this.

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