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By Siren.Mosin 2018-09-12 12:02:18
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some dudes are doing some pretty interesting things with graphene fiber and the earth's mantle. worth a look if you guys get bored.
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By Anna Ruthven 2018-09-12 13:23:06
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Apparently there are two groups looking to add an amendment that bans "assault weapons" which is scary because it's a pretty much undefined term. If taken literally, it could mean anything from a whiffle bat to a nuclear warhead (and everything in between) would be banned.

If people would take the same amount of time and money and push for better mental healthcare, many shootings would possibly be stopped.
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By Anna Ruthven 2018-09-12 13:25:18
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Also, an AR-15 isn't a "weapon of war", if you take an AR-15 into a firefight you will likely find yourself outgunned.

And, no, AR doesn't stand for Assault Rifle, it comes from "Armalite" afaik.
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By Nausi 2018-09-12 13:34:43
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Ir makes zero sense to ignore what goes on in the bookends of "clean energy" production. Otherwise you're putting on your blinders for the sake of good feels.

Trasnlated to

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I'm being obtuse because I know I've lost this argument and my claim that Nuclear energy is clean was silly

Seriously, you are right on just about everything, nuclear is more efficient in every way shape or form, it has way less impact on the environment than things like coal (Unless things goes horribly wrong, but that's not happening), just don't kid yourself thinking it should be considered clean energy.
Define “clean energy”
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By Viciouss 2018-09-12 13:41:47
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Anna Ruthven said: »
If people would take the same amount of time and money and push for better mental healthcare, many shootings would possibly be stopped.

Oh yeah? How so? Which shootings do you think could have been prevented by "better mental healthcare?" How would that have worked? Explain that process. Explain how the Vegas shooter could have been stopped if "better mental healthcare" was available to him.
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Viciouss said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
If people would take the same amount of time and money and push for better mental healthcare, many shootings would possibly be stopped.
Oh yeah? How so? Which shootings do you think could have been prevented by "better mental healthcare?" How would that have worked? Explain that process. Explain how the Vegas shooter could have been stopped if "better mental healthcare" was available to him.
There are no records of the Vegas shooter ever seeking mental health care, so any mental health care at all would have been better.

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Apparently there are two groups looking to add an amendment that bans "assault weapons" which is scary because it's a pretty much undefined term....
Here in WA we have a initiative on the ballot (maybe) that defines semiautomatic assault rifle as any semi auto long gun. Yes, even a Ruger 10/22.

For years gun aficionados have been saying that there is no mechanical difference between a scary looking AR15 designed rifle and any other semi auto rifle. SURPRISE! the anti gun forces actually listened.
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By fonewear 2018-09-12 15:09:22
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So, why is everyone so upset with Elon Musk that Tesla stock is going down? He smoked a joint, big deal. I am seeing more media and left people try to distance themselves from him. Besides his crazy tweets, whats up?

(holds out mic for interview with any comments from either side)

he tweeted that he was going to take Tesla private and now he's under investigation by the SEC. overall he seems a bit unstable ever since he showed up to the Met Gala with Grimes.
When you say that, I imagine this guy.

I don’t need safety gloves because I’m Homer Simpson...zap
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By Garuda.Chanti 2018-09-12 15:30:00
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Pharma exec says he had 'moral requirement' to raise drug price 400%
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Some have, it seems, an uncommon view of morality.
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
CNN

pffft facts I don't like
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Pharma exec says he had 'moral requirement' to raise drug price 400%
CNN

Some have, it seems, an uncommon view of morality.

Welcome to the modern healthcare system in the USA, where we get the worst of capitalism with the worst of socialism.

Capitalism lets the dirt bags price gouge to their hearts content. Socialism projects their profits and prevents free market solutions from lowering prices.
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Just so Saevel, but this is socalism for the rich so the GOP is just fine with it.
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Just so Saevel, but this is socalism for the rich so the GOP is just fine with it.

GOP not so much pro-rich as they are scared ***less of anymore liberal policies targeted at their power base. There are more wealthy liberals then conservatives, it's just about where the money is kept at. Liberal elites like to put their money in foundations and other tax-free non-profit organizations they can then use.

To give an example of how that works, imagine if you got 500 million USD Chanti. Now you "donate" 499 million of that to a "Chanti's peace and future foundation" with the stated mission of "bringing peach and prosperity to the Chanti's of the world". The foundation then hires you as it's senior director with a salary (you pay taxes on this). The foundation then buys you a house and car, with the stated purpose of facilitating your ability to conduct the work of being a director of the Chanti Foundation. So now your two greatest expenses are covered as work expenses by a non-profit foundation. At the worst the foundation, that you control, makes you pay a super low "rental fee" to use the property it bought for you.

If anyone is thinking that salaried income is "wealthy", they don't understand how wealth works.
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By Nausi 2018-09-13 07:00:14
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Census data says middle class income is at an all time high!

How are loberals gonna give this one to obama?
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By fonewear 2018-09-13 07:23:16
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
CNN

pffft facts I don't like
Very facts I don't like
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2018-09-13 07:23:39
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
The right media does this too.

And far more often IMHO.
I know the right media does the same, but I wouldn't agree its more often, but maybe more visible among all the regurgitation of media.

Big Left Media #1: Cow falls down

Big Left Media #2: Cow takes a tumble

Big Left Media #3: Cow fallen over ready to make milkshake via my opinion piece.

Big Right Media: Cow was pushed over by a chainsaw wielding maniac

Big Left Media #4: Cow still fallen over.

But yes, media, whichever side it is, plays the same game.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2018-09-13 07:39:26
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Anna Ruthven said: »
Apparently there are two groups looking to add an amendment that bans "assault weapons" which is scary because it's a pretty much undefined term. If taken literally, it could mean anything from a whiffle bat to a nuclear warhead (and everything in between) would be banned.

If people would take the same amount of time and money and push for better mental healthcare, many shootings would possibly be stopped.
Word. And if they could actually do some research into what they WANT to ban and come up wiht a middle ground, maybe it could get somewhere, but its currently still at the "its black and scary! It must be an AR! BAN IT! REEEEE"

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Also, an AR-15 isn't a "weapon of war", if you take an AR-15 into a firefight you will likely find yourself outgunned.

And, no, AR doesn't stand for Assault Rifle, it comes from "Armalite" afaik.
And correct, AFAIK. I prefer MSR (Modern Sporting Rifle), but most people wouldn't know that term unfortunately, so I still use AR for those that might not be too up to terms with rifles.

And for the firefight, depending what you are up against, maybe? A Military Soldier taking an AR-15 or similar, instead of a full-auto capable rifle into combat, TERRIBLE idea.

But some dude in his house vs 3 invaders protecting his property and life with an AR-15, not bad choice.
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Anna Ruthven said: »
If people would take the same amount of time and money and push for better mental healthcare, many shootings would possibly be stopped.

Oh yeah? How so? Which shootings do you think could have been prevented by "better mental healthcare?" How would that have worked? Explain that process. Explain how the Vegas shooter could have been stopped if "better mental healthcare" was available to him.
More effective than a "No guns allowed" sign, better dealing with the root of the problem, mental issues and people having problems.

If guns and gun owners were the REAL problem, America would be in much worse shape then it currently is with the "Gun problem" everyone screams top of their lungs at.
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Census data says middle class income is at an all time high!

How are loberals gonna give this one to obama?

Middle class is mostly conservatives, with the exception of places like California and NOVA where social norms demand you be liberal or else. In those instances conservatives have to masquerade as liberals in order to avoid persecution.

So what we get is conservatives being the working poor, middle class and the working upper class (doctors / ect). Liberals tend to be the non-working poor, university kids and non-working upper class (family wealth / foundations / ect.) The exception to this is the financial sector which has been financially conservative for awhile and that the liberals persecute with ruthless abandon. It's incredibly difficult for a hedge fund manager to justify making a non-profit foundation dedicated to helping hedge fund managers.
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And for the firefight, depending what you are up against, maybe? A Military Soldier taking an AR-15 or similar, instead of a full-auto capable rifle into combat, TERRIBLE idea.

You don't want an automatic weapon in a firefight, they suck for accuracy. Automatic weapons are best used for generating suppressive fire, which is just a cool sounding term of making the bad guy stay put and keep their heads down. This enables your team mates, the good guys, to out flank the bad guys and take up better positions to kill them or force a surrender. For anti-personal fights you want a semi-automatic because it lets you control shot placement and is far more likely to actually kill what your pointing at.

That being said, I've been able to control trigger squeeze on both the 240B and 249 to have it shoot just a few rounds, came in handy for qualification.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2018-09-13 08:07:53
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Middle class is mostly conservatives, with the exception of places like California and NOVA where social norms demand you be liberal or else. In those instances conservatives have to masquerade as liberals in order to avoid persecution.
Northern VA?

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You don't want an automatic weapon in a firefight, they suck for accuracy. Automatic weapons are best used for generating suppressive fire, which is just a cool sounding term of making the bad guy stay put and keep their heads down. This enables your team mates, the good guys, to out flank the bad guys and take up better positions to kill them or force a surrender. For anti-personal fights you want a semi-automatic because it lets you control shot placement and is far more likely to actually kill what your pointing at.

That being said, I've been able to control trigger squeeze on both the 240B and 249 to have it shoot just a few rounds, came in handy for qualification
Agreed, but just trying to agree with Anna's AR-15 terrible in firefight situation. A short burst of fire better than the semi automatic individual trigger pull from the AR-15 types. I believe the military rifles can do auto and single fire, and single fire much better for shot placement, which is very important in situation you mentioned. =)
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Carbuncle.Skulloneix said: »
Northern VA?

Northern Virginia, it's become the 2nd silicon valley and has become hyper liberal around the DC Metro area.

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Agreed, but just trying to agree with Anna's AR-15 terrible in firefight situation. A short burst of fire better than the semi automatic individual trigger pull from the AR-15 types. I believe the military rifles can do auto and single fire, and single fire much better for shot placement, which is very important in situation you mentioned. =)

US Military personal rifles no longer to auto and haven't since Vietnam. They have two firing modes, single shot and 3 round burst. Anything beyond 3 rounds is going to be incredibly inaccurate. They also have a handful of crew served weapons which are automatic, weapons like the 240B (7.62) and M1 (.50 caliber) require more then one person to operate and are transported in pieces. The 249 SAW is the *** child, it's a 5.56 weapon that use's the exact same rounds as the M16 and M4, but is fully automatic. It's purpose is for suppressive fire and there is normally one per squad, horribly inaccurate. The trick to getting a high qualification score is to control trigger squeeze and have it shoot just one or two rounds per target square instead of trying to do a walk. The way it works is you have 5 small target squares in a horizontal or vertical line and your only given 10 rounds to hit then all, your supposed to start at one and with a single pull hit all 5, but that's hard as *** because those 10 rounds go almost instantly. Instead you aim at the first, do a light squeeze to get just one or two, move on to the next square and so forth.

The movies and video games make automatic weapons seem far more powerful then they really are. Not accurate and blow through ammo far too quickly, and when your required to carry all your ammo with you it becomes a precious commodity. So you try not to use that weapon platform unless you absolutely need it, and then it's used to out maneuver the enemy.
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By Carbuncle.Skulloneix 2018-09-13 08:52:12
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Northern Virginia, it's become the 2nd silicon valley and has become hyper liberal around the DC Metro area.
Indeed it is, I live there, work in MD. Anyone with a conservative viewpoint is thought of a heretic. God forbid we don't drink the cool-aid and fall in line with them...

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US Military personal rifles no longer to auto and haven't since Vietnam. They have two firing modes, single shot and 3 round burst. Anything beyond 3 rounds is going to be incredibly inaccurate.
Well I learned something there. =)
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By Nausi 2018-09-13 09:19:12
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Census data says middle class income is at an all time high!

How are loberals gonna give this one to obama?
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Nausi said: »
Census data says middle class income is at an all time high!

How are loberals gonna give this one to obama?

Middle class is mostly conservatives, with the exception of places like California and NOVA where social norms demand you be liberal or else. In those instances conservatives have to masquerade as liberals in order to avoid persecution.

So what we get is conservatives being the working poor, middle class and the working upper class (doctors / ect). Liberals tend to be the non-working poor, university kids and non-working upper class (family wealth / foundations / ect.) The exception to this is the financial sector which has been financially conservative for awhile and that the liberals persecute with ruthless abandon. It's incredibly difficult for a hedge fund manager to justify making a non-profit foundation dedicated to helping hedge fund managers.
Conservatives are the new jews and the left is the new Hitler. Liberals are the new brown shirts.
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By Nausi 2018-09-13 09:25:02
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Latest left lie.

FEMA didnt tell us they gave us 20,000 pallets of water in last years hurricane. We certainly didn’t hide them for over a year from victims just so we can try amd make Trump look bad.
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Professor shoots himself to protest Trump.

Take that Blumpf!

These crazy leftists teach children! What are they teaching them?
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Latest Trump lie, 3000 people did not die in Puerto Rico, they are up and walking around. Everything is fine!
 
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Latest Trump lie, 3000 people did not die in Puerto Rico, they are up and walking around. Everything is fine!
Thats not what he said. He said they didnt die in the hurricane.

(They didn’t)
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Census data says middle class income is at an all time high!

How are loberals gonna give this one to obama?

Well ... it was already at an all time high under Obama no?

I'll give that to Trump, middle class income increased slightly above the inflation rate, which is great, but I wouldn't call that a massive achievement.
No, actually it took a massive dip under obama.
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