Random Politics & Religion #31: 2018 Edition

Carter Paige alone is enough reason.

And then there was this server in Trump's basement that only talked to two banks, one Russian and one owned by Betsy DeVos.

Getting a FISA warrant isn't easy.

Paged, with no Carter involved.

A Russian Russian doll a bit redundant !

The warrant expires after 90 days and requires an application for renewal with new material. Every 3 months since they began monitoring Page there has been new evidence to validate the warrant.

Which means whether he knew it or not they hired a known Russian asset to the Intelligence community to the campaign.

Nunes in his memo is only referencing the request for renewal that falls in the time frame of when the dossier would have potentialy been the basis. Since that’s when based on reports the intelligence community became aware of it. That would have been sometime in the range of October 2016~January 2017. After that point the dossier can no longer be used as new evidence to base a renewal request. In the case of dossier it has been said it corroborated known intelligence and wasn’t the sole piece of evidence the renewal was based on.

On the same token we can not say the FBI was trying to keep Trump from being President since they released their letter informing Congress they were reopening their investigation of Clinton’s emails on Oct 28th 2016. While not mentioning their active investigation into Page who’s part of the Trump campaign.
They in fact had the new emails as early as Sept 2016 but needed to investigate them in order to present their findings to the Public Integrity Section of the Criminal Division. That division needed to review and give approval before the FBI could make any announcement that could potentially impact a campaign during an election year.

There are a lot of known moving parts in terms of protocol this memo over looks in order to be substantial. This might be why John Kelley today has stated the memo is not going to be as impactful as they thought or as Nunes promised.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/371958-john-kelly-doesnt-think-nunes-memo-lives-up-to-gop-promises-report?

More dreams squashed.

I'm taking bets on how long it is going to take for CJ to realize that sitting presidents cannot be thrown in prison.

Memo is out.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-intel-memo-released-what-it-says/article/2647937?platform=hootsuite

Bad day for libs.

And as for the memo, the Steele Dossier was revealed to indeed be the primary reason for the FISA warrant, and those who applied for it excluded their knowledge of its political origins in their application. Oops.

How about an actual link to the memo.

Shouldn't you be looking for a CNN op ed to tell you what to think about it first?

Funny how a conservative op ed was posted first.

Hes looking for those alternative (liberal) facts.

I literally posted the first thing i saw on twitter.

Trumps got every justification to shut down the mueller probe.

Yes nausi we know.

Sure:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4365340/Read-the-GOP-memo.pdf

Wow I was expecting that to be a lot longer, it just kinda ends abruptly. I can see why the FBI is irritated by it, it completely avoids detailing why they were looking at Carter Page in the first place, when the original investigation started, and how many total warrants they obtained to surveil him dating back to the start (way back in 2013). There should be a lot more pages to this memo.

This is really gonna be the biggest scandal of our lives? Yeah ok. In other news, Ben Carson is under scrutiny for nepotism, he is probably going to have to resign.

That’s why the memo is flawed. Nunes’ first point is arguing that the first warrant was obtained in 2016. However, it’s been public knowledge for nearly a year that the FBI had a FISA warrant to monitor Page back in 2013.



Every 3 months they had new evidence and renewed.

Yep fruits of a poisoned tree. Also explains why the Democrats with their FBI holdovers where trying to block as much of this as possible, and afterward screamed it wasn't all of it.

It's like Zero demanding we don't release a 100 page report, so instead we release a 10 page report and him then saying it's not valid because the other 90 page's aren't released, after he demanded they not be.

TDS reaching pandemic levels, they gonna need to establish emergency aid stations around all major cities to handle the patents.

Needless to say this will have zero impact on the Mueller investigation, or anything else for that matter.

Ooo, Mueller. So scary. Tell us the story of how Trump colluded with Russia even though there's no evidence, Grandpa.

At his own peril.

Nah, you don't deserve a story. Just go to bed.

Probably a good idea. I'm a bit old for fairy tales.

Trey Gowdy, Rav's personal hero, just reaffirmed that the memo does nothing to affect Mueller's investigation. Nobody seems to have any regard for nausi's fantasies.

Not really, there would be nothing that could be done to him. The FBI and Justice department work for the President.

Congress would be the only entities who can remove a sitting President and only through impeachment proceedings. That would require a vote by bother chambers of congress and the Supreme Court then reviews the whole thing. Only after being removed as President could he then be charged by the DoJ for whatever it is they would charge him with.

So tell us again exactly how a Democrat minority has a snowballs chance in hell of removing a sitting Republican President on political reasons alone. The dossier being used as primary evidence for justification of the FISA warrants was all that is needed to dismiss the entire thing. The FBI agent producing the original evidence being extremely anti-Trump and determined not to have a "Trump Presidency" along with this superiors knowing this and deliberately hiding their knowledge of the dubiousness of the dossier while using it as primary evidence on multiple occasions. That's all just icing on the cake. Your a historian, research fruits of a poisoned tree and how the US courts view evidence obtained through illegal means. And yes misrepresenting evidence to a judge under oath is illegal.

I've mentioned Gowdy maybe a couple times over the years. You guys talk about Mueller constantly. One day I'll figure out why y'all have such a man-crush on a guy who hasn't produced anything of worth after all this time.

Most certainly, there is a huge *** pile of investigative material including statements, letters, emails, texts and the original FISA applications. All of them are classified Top Secret/NOFORN and the FBI, along with Democrats in congress, fought tooth and nail to prevent any of it from being released. The reason was, quite literally, just referencing the material in the memo would damage national security. Jesus I know you got blue lenses on full time but you can't of forgotten the 24/7 news coverage the last few weeks.

I saw release it all, all the letters, statements, emails, EVERYTHING. Let everyone know the back channel ***the Democrats were up to get Hillary elected and afterward to discredit her opponent during his first year in office.

Remember the FBI's comment that nothing is "factually incorrect", meaning the memo is "technically correct" which is the best kind correct. Talking about "characterization" is just trying to emotionally manipulate people like yourself, I only care about the statements made, facts known and what actions were done. FBI Obama knowingly misrepresented evidence to a federal judge to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on Trumps campaign. After his election those exact same people continued to knowingly misrepresent evidence to obtain extensions to continue to spy in the hopes of building some case against President Trump. That ***may be legal in shitholeistan countries or the Peoples Republic of Canada, but it's illegal in the USA.


It's like the FBI paying Jose over on the corner to "produce" fake documents showing your defrauding the government on your taxes and using those "documents" to get a secret warrant to spy on you in the hopes of finding evidence your actually doing something wrong. That is illegal and highly corrupt. The Democrats go crazy when Police are caught planting evidence and breaking the law but when it's their team doing it suddenly it's ok.

Think of it like Trump using the fbi to spy on obama by having alex jones wrote up a “dossier” full of salacious stuff to pad the warrant application.