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That's what I would think, but it says they are adding new requirements just for +3, which makes it sound like they are raising the bar for getting +3 relic/AF.

Adding a new, likely means, a second option, aka; easier

They're not going to make it harder.

People have been bitching about not wanting to unlock sea to get access to it, so maybe that. (maybe not, who knows, we'll know in a couple days)

Yeah I agree it'll be a second option to reforge to +3. It will probably use Job Points, since we will likely will be accruing them now...

We don't know where it's going to end up, but VR feels like it's been full of red herrings.
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Perhaps it'll be a Resurgence reward of sorts, with the missions going there.

trend seems to be lately to have the "hard and fast" method of upgrading things vs the "slow and steady" way. Looking at RP'ing RMEA weapons, if you are associated with a strong group you could unlock that ability in 2 hours from day one, or you can grind JP over months, but be able to do it solo.

I could see some alternate method instead of the boss scales that would allow someone to solo (slowly) their AF to +3 form without already being an extremely experienced and well-geared player, and possibly some method that doesn't require killing the wave 1 boss to unlock +3 ability for relic gear.

So they're just toying with us and our expectations to make us believe the thing "X" only to surprise us by giving us "Y" instead lol

Maybe we get to go to past Reisenjima and get to see Tenzen raise Iroha.

I would actually consider making pieces of af+3 relic+3 and emp+3 if they came up with a non monetary way to do it.

They won't. It definitely won't be that. That breaks the rules; if it doesn't make money(gil) it stops having value. (If people could get relic+3 without buying shards, no one could make money doing dynamis and people would stop going)

I think it's way too early to speculate at this point, but I wouldn't rule out one or two new zones, wouldn't dare to dream past that considering they're not gonna ask us money for it.

Which frankly makes me wonder why. They keep (rightfully?) whining that that can't do this, can't do that because they don't have the funds and the manpower.
Then sell us another expansion? Or even a miniexp?
Do they really think 90% of us wouldn't buy it?


But I suppose things must be more complicated than that of course.

oh maybe I misled- I don't necessarily mean the actual process, more the privilege, i.e. unlocking it. Completely agree they have to always think about the effects on the economy, in particular on smaller servers where less in-demand things just don't move.

Let's hope that "subverting expectations" works better for them than other recent results.

From the way it's worded I don't think they are offering new means to upgrade Relic from +1 to +3.
I think it's just about the pre-requirements needed to access the pieces.
I.e. entering zone X with job Y or beating wave1 boss with job Y.
An alternate method for that, then same process of upgrading.

As for Artifact and Omen I dunno... are there some pre-req to upgrade gear there? I'm not sure honestly. But then again AF is a different story, it's just a gil sink since 99% of the stuff comes from NPC and not from items players farm and want to sell (like shards for Relics).
Not sure what they could be doing in Omen or Artifact. Alternative means to obtain the Caturae scales? Weekly reset quest? I dunno.


If anything I'd be happier if they reduced the wait times. It's fine for those of us who only have a bunch of pieces to update at this time but imagine someone returning who has to upgrade 40 pieces. Even if he has all the mats and prereqs ready it's still gonna take him AGES with all those daily waits.
For Artifact you can already do that payin in Beads but clearly that's not particularly efficient. Additional means to speed up that (spending job points to make the process instant?) would be nice I suppose? Not sure if it would be useful for a lot of us though.

Returning players likely don't have a lot of JP and need a lot of pieces.
Current players likely have a lot of excess JP but they don't need a lot of pieces so the wait is usually not a big deal...

With them saying af and relic there's at least a reasonable chance they just remove the required access to dreamlands dynamis.

That was a common complaint. People don't want to do cop. Saw that complaint for years, and since they take years to actually listen, that tracks.

Makes sense, I read it as though they were adding a requirement to unlock +3. I guess that could mean they are adding another path.

Part of me wonders if they are going to make it easier to unlock without doing the content as a specific job, so if you get a W3 clear once then you get access to all relic +3, if you kill Ou you get all AF+3, etc. I read it as more unlock than completion focus, but that could be wrong.

What does it say in Japanese? Maybe something is lost in the translation

We gonna be master masters now (or pokemon maasters)!

Having to enter dynamis on every job, and clear the midboss on every job, for 4 zones, with a 3-day wait in between is a very annoying, unnecessary process, especially for a returning or newer player. Similarly, having to farm up an Omen scale (and possible share spoils with other party members) is somewhat troublesome halt to progress they could ease. Maybe they just allow people to buy access to the +3 Relic/Artifact pieces through the respective Goblins. Or using some other form of currency, like how they released WoE coin/forgotten currency or dynamis currency method for skipping certain tiers of JSE armor/weapon upgrades through the Magian Moogle and Monisette.

I think this is most likely. Not just dreamlands dynamis, but don't you need sea for AF? It makes sense for them to unhitch CoP from it, the mission backlog to even start getting that gear is insane for a new player.

7-5 for AF (limbus) 3-5 for Relic (apparently) ((and limbus? if that's the case then the note shouldn't even bother saying 3-5))

But CoP in general

Exactly, my first thought was just alternate way to get "clear", same as you have job points dump route and clear W3 boss for REMA augments. Possibly some EXP or some amount of mobs killed in wave 1 or few medals traded to gob?

For Omen it might be more escha points maybe, but then you dont need scale or something like that.

EDIT: Havent noticed that Buukki posted exactly what I think it will be.

That's how I read it also, but it could be a translation error. It seems strange that they would alter that process now and do anything but ease it or open up other paths to unlocking +3.

They did say that they were changing the requirement for unlocking +3, though, and no mention of +2. So it's probably safe to assume that accessing Dynamis D zones will still be required, as will access to Omen.

I think what this will end up being is that getting a W3 clear will unlock all +3s across the board for that zone for relic and you'll have a similar option for AF.

Something like this or similar would be cool. I personally still need like 20-30 slots clears. If you play 15+ jobs and want to unlock everything, thats at least 60 dynamises, which is realistically 6 months doing it every 3 days. Now the big problem is that you also want RP or farm Heroisms and usually you RP on jobs that you cleared already, then you also might want to get RP on several things for one job (COR neck and 2-3 daggers for example), then also sometimes you need to go on job thats needed (for aliance or lowman). So in reality it might be years to get all the clears.

It has to be a translation error. People have been building artifact +3 for years. It makes no sense to raise the requirements now. It would be completely unfair to expect newer players to go through more hoops and expend even more resources than the vets who already have the gear, just to catch up to the ones who are already ahead of them. S-E balances content so that once gear becomes old enough they make it more accessible over time, not less.

I think you missed the posts here, that suggest "adding requirement" means adding alternate requirement, not additional one on top of old ones. Perfect example would be adding requirement of 10000JP dump to unlock REMA augments, INSTEAD not IN ADDITION to wave 3 boss clear (or filling up mask bar).

So it might be exactly opposite to what you are suggesting and they might add alternate route to get Relic+3 and AF+3, to make it easier for new players.

I mean, don't try to make sense of it. It's going to be some pointless arbitrary thing that they think people care about because they're so disconnected from actual players.

Using Ochain in dyna w3 I have around 10% block rate, which I assume is the floor. I use some block rate gear but it’s so unnoticeable anyway. It goes up a little with reprisal but it’s also not noticeable. From my readings elsewhere, it implies with high enough skill from the mob you can have a negative block rate. To me, if you’re raising the inherent ilevel of players then you should also raise things like shield skill.

They previously added an alternative path of Vagary clears. Maybe it's similar, go in, fight an easier boss, get upgrade material, but no gear drops.