Random Politics & Religion #27

I'd be far more concerned on what they would do with any campaign information gathered.

See intelligence gathering, which is what they is, doesn't just capture what you aim for but also everything else that's present. Then your supposed to prune through the gathered info and discard anything not in the scope of your surveillance. That last one is the kicker, since it's all secret there is no way to actually know what's being collected permanently and what's being discarded. I know for a fact that they don't discard ***, it's all kept as part of a permanent record "just in case" they need it in the future.

So we have phone conversations between Trump and the various entities he talks with that have been recorded as part of other FBI investigations, investigations that Comey was director for. What is the possibility that Comey, or a democrat sympathetic investigator, handed off this confidential investigation information to someone in Hillary's team?

Huh, usually nausi takes us into conspiracy theory land, but I guess Saevel wants to this time.

Enter susan rice, and the obama administration's ordered unmasking of surveilled individuals. It takes a pretty big blindfold to ignore the possibilities here.

I think I can sympathize with him here a little on this one...

I'm almost getting tired of winning/trump being right all the time...which he also prophesied... it went past surreal a long time ago and now it's just getting spooky.

Oh yeah susan rice, already testified to congress, what happened there? Oh, nothing.

The restarting up the FISA warrant is the key component here. Manafort has since been cleared in that second round earlier in the year. So it woukd appear that the Obama administration FOUND A LEGAL WAY TO PULL OFF A WATERGATE TYPE SCANDAL.

lol

I'm by no means the sharpest tool in the shed or anything...

but at some point doesn't basic journalistic curiosity kick in here...perhaps nobody wants the story to be true... but the dots are so large, obvious and close together they almost overlap and connect themselves... even if you're as lazy as I am.

obama knew the fbi was investigating trump's campaign manager before the election.

hillary clinton seemed awfully sure she was going to win the election

james comey looked as guilty as an egg sucking dog caught in the chicken coop in that announcement right before the election

Vic csnt even comprehend that possibility.

Truly stunning.

These facts seem inconsistent with Comey's teatimony before congress.

Whatever happened to James Comey he move to Russia ?

Feel free to share these "facts" that are "inconsistent". We will wait.

He is laying on a beach somewhere before it gets too cold.

So if the fbi surveiled Manafort in Trump tower, how would Comey's statement be true? How would he not know about it as director?

Is he gonna say he though Trump meant him specifically instead of his tower?

Still waiting on just one piece of evidence that Trump Tower was wiretapped. Keep in mind the Trump admin said last week in a court of law it wasn't.

/sigh

I'm sorry... but hand holding time is over.

Its funny because so many people here bash on CNN on an hourly basis, but now that they are reporting on something that resembles something they want to hear, most credible news outlet out there! And yet nobody can seem to show how Trump was "right."

This continuous gaslighting is really *** dumb and has gotten beyond old. Trump's own Justice Department made a statement earlier this month that no wiretapping consistent with the tweets ever took place. Rice has been cleared of any of the conspiratorial ***that Rush and Breitbart have been feeding their viewership for months now. None of the information from this weekend does anything to change any of that.

Gaslighting is insistinng that surveiling a person who resides in trump tower somehow can be done without surveiling trump tower.

Turns out, Paul Manafort propertiesowns a lot of properties.

So far, no one can actually say where he was during the time he was being legally surveiled. But the Justice Dept. has said it wasn't Trump Tower.

Some of those people would be me !

I needed a laugh here you go:

What PnR looks like in reality:

He was in the library with Colonel Mustard !

That is exactly what he's going to say he meant. His words were carefully chosen so as to provide cover just in case this came to light, which he knew it much eventually once Trump had his own people go through the records.

See there weren't "wiretapping Trump" they were "wiretapping Trumps associates" so when they were asked the question "were you wiretapping Trump" they could truthfully respond "not to our knowledge we weren't". Don't laugh, many a court case has been decided by a slimmer line then that.

In all actuality, they were most certainly providing surveillance on Trump in order to provide Hillary an advantage in the election. Since he was not only a candidate but also a powerful figure in his own right, they couldn't do the surveillance directly and so went after associates who they could find a "good enough" reason for. The goal was to obtain intelligence on Trump through indirect observation.

It's no different then the Obama Administration IRS trying to hamper Republican sponsoring organizations.

Hard hitting news on CNN:

-We didn't wiretap Trump
-We didn't wiretap Trump, we just incidentally surveilled him
-We didn't wiretap Trump, we just wiretapped the head of his entire Presidential campaign

-And we are sending him to prison.

I think right now we are still waiting on nausi to show Trump Tower was actually wiretapped, despite the Trump admin saying it wasn't.