Random Politics & Religion #26

I don't think Todd Bridges posts in here.

Don't think those were my exact words, or even a suitible paraphrase.

Hillary thought nothing at the idea of blaming Russia for her campaign loss despite it being the biggest nothingburger in history. No regard to the net effect on national relations. That type of souring of personal relationships is not a good thing to do with a rival world power. Wars have started from such actions, say nothing of favorable trade deals.

If there was any conflict, does anyone here really believe Hillary would be tough? The only way she wins anything is when its rigged for her (like the democratic primary).

Yet we're not going to be talking about 13-22 kilo-ton/54-92 Terajoule nukes in 2017 and beyond as a concern. We're talking megaton and Petajoules.

When people talk about cities and their fears of annihilation, they're talking about their suburban residences which are made of drywall and lumber not steel and concrete.

Higher income tax, more spending from tech jobs, buying more materials for production. Yeah no benefits whatsoever.

lol

...that is seriously biased, and incredibility wrong.

For one, Wisconsin has a state individual income tax. The rate is maxed out at 7.65%. Having the minimum estimated amount of 3,000 workers making on average $50,000 will bring the state $8,514,000 in the first year alone. And that is just for individual income tax alone. Let's also not forget the suppliers for the factory (even assuming that 20% of the raw or pre-made materials come from Wisconsin, could net the state an additional $25,000,000 per year in income from production and additional income taxes). Then there's inbound/outbound sales taxes (value added). Should we also include additional local and state sales taxes of 5.5% on the additional economic products and disposable income that wouldn't have been there? There's also suppliers who pay sales taxes too....

Seriously, they would make up the investment in less than 2 years, not 25 years that "article" (aka, if you want an example of facts I don't like, well Chanti, you just posted it) portrays....

Lets see now...

8.5 M \ 2,850m = many, many years.

ftfy.

Let me remind you that these are not cash outlays. Most of these credits are on future taxes that would have been owed, and all of them are for property taxes (there has not, nor will there ever be, a tax credit to an employer for a state individual or sales tax. All tax credits are in the form of property or utility taxes, or the rare case franchise tax, which Wisconsin doesn't have). This is not going to cost the state anything more than future receivables broken out over a period of 20-40 years (depending on the property tax rate for that specific building and area). By then, they would have more than made up in revenues based on the increased individual and increased sales taxes alone, not to mention any of the other taxes associated with building/shipping products, most of which are absorbed by other companies.

Chanti, you will do well to remember to not argue with me about taxes. You will lose the argument, all the time, every time.

NK has developed nukes in the 10~20kt range, that is what we are discussing.

There are no multi-megaton nukes currently in existence and the largest nuke ever made was the 50MT bomb the Soviets tested. There is an extremely good reason why big bombs don't work well, confinement time and that pesky inverse square law. When a detonation happens the reactants only have minute amounts of time to fission before the force of the detonation forces them apart. Once forced apart the extra neutrons produced will no longer be able to cause other fuel to split and the chain reaction stops. This cause's a disproportionate amount of fuel to be wasted and just get blown into the atmosphere. Thus a 1MT nuke has far more then 10x fissionable material then a 100KT nuke, and a 100KT nuke has more then 6x the material then a 20KT nuke. Small nukes are far more efficient then large ones and you can manufacture a lot more of them. When a nuclear weapon detonates it's energy is evenly released in a perfect sphere. That means at least 50% of it's released energy goes upwards into killing birds in the atmosphere. If it's a ground burst then another ~40% of it's energy goes into digging a huge *** hole in the ground, leaving only ~10% of it's power to expand horizontally. If it's an air-burst then that energy instead goes into flattening anything directly underneath the fireball. This is why airbursts are far more effective then ground bursts on soft targets, but a hardened target will survive an airburst so a ground burst is necessary.

So you can see, nobody wants big multi-megaton bombs because they are useless. Instead they want lots of smaller 20~100KT bombs with a handful of ~1MT bunker-busters. You can take those 20KT warhead and put them on a MIRV and deliver ~8 of them on one platform distributed across multiple targets with additional decoys included to fake out ABMS's.

This goes into the liberal Hollywood fantasy of people using nukes to target civilian populations, which is woefully in correct. You use nukes to target military targets, factories, ammo caches, supply depots, air ports, sea ports, rail yards, computer facilities, control centers and training facilities. Things designed to weaken or remove a countries ability to fight a war. You can even target infrastructure, stuff like power plants, bridges, mountain pass's and so forth to weaken a countries ability to support itself. Targeting population does absolutely nothing, but makes a great Hollywood movie complete with an attractive charismatic actor.


I did the exact opposite and you know it, you can't pull a Bush and say "Mission Accomplished" when your backed into a corner.

And just so people understand a few things, unlike the other posters here I'm not speaking out my *** based on some ***I saw on a movie.

Mandatory reading to even enter into a discussion on Nuclear weapons.

https://warrenmyers.com/war/Nuclear_Warfare_101.pdf

https://warrenmyers.com/war/Nuclear_Warfare_102.pdf

https://warrenmyers.com/war/Nuclear_Warfare_103.pdf

There is a lot more, but that's a quick and dirty overview on the whys and hows.

The "Science" portrayed from Hollywood on nuclear weapons is about as accurate as their "Science" in Interstellar or Gravity.

Well, targeting population centers does have one goal in mind: fear.

Which is why terrorism is effective as it is.

Iran and Palestine will use nukes to target population centers just to create fear towards them. Never mind that the action will pretty much be null when other countries taken them down.

It's hate having to respond via the phone.

While this may be the case with MIRVs being limited to kiloton payloads; nobody really knows what happens when all the little bombs come down.

Let's pretend NK has a Chinese DF-41 or even a DF31-AG with a MIRV traveling at top speeds (Mach 25). Can we be absolutely certain there is zero margin of error with respect to precision, in them reaching their intended destinations?

Or the opposite if we send out a Minuteman III?

Sure we/they could do high altitude detonations but would that be any better?

It's (current year), why don't we have a mobile friendly site?

The admins could use a little M(FFXIAH)GA determinism.

lazy bums...

Rooks! I found your next April Fool's joke.

You could make it so when people quote somebody else, all it shows is this quote.

And in P&R, it would be accurate almost all of the time! Win win.

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/311990-giant-trump-rooster-statue-erected-outside-chinese-mall


Img derps

Looking like this mini nukes situation has been known for about 4 years.

Lets play "guess why it wasnt a bombshell back in 2013?"

Wonder if Trump is tweeting out these attacks against Republicans from the golf course?

Funny you never bitched when Obama took all his vacations.

It wasnt. It was out for media consumption. The media just didnt fret because they were never going to report anything that could make Obama look bad,

The media is full 100% potato on this nork business. No its worse than that. No longer can it be argued thst the media/left would
do anything but blame Trump and sympathize with Kim Jong UN if this little pissant actually fires one at us.

The degree to which they only care about "getting trump" is on full display here. Everyone within missile range is entirely expendable to the agenda of the left.

100% disgusted. I am embarrassed to share a country with these people.

Feel free to get out then?

Better off just not engaging nausi, he is just trolling.

Sure, you can ask Nausi to leave as soon as everyone who said that they would leave the country when Bush won leaves first, and everyone who said that they would leave the country when Trump won leaves afterwards.