Random Politics & Religion #26

That has far more to do with two oceans and the world's most powerful military than any individual person. And nothing Trump has enacted publicly has done anything positive for the lgbtq community.

He doesn't cruze gay bars. I consider that something positive for the lgbtq community.

The traitor Manning, Bradley or whatever the hell his name is now.

It's a discussion that seems to be conflated at times. Biological gender v general role identification

Reality versus Insanity

Continuing that logic, we should ban all straight guys from high security positions because of Edward Snowden.

I'm no psychologist, but the aforementioned suicide rates just might be indicative of a problem....

The more a group is discriminated against, the higher the suicide rate.

And its pretty linear.

And to reiterate:

“Set aside Putin and follow the money”: a Russia expert’s theory of the Trump scandal
Why the collusion story begins with money, not politics.
Vox

Worth the read.

You make a claim of linear correlation... to a statistician... and you don't provide any data whatsoever to back it up.

/Sigh

Chanti, Chanti, Chanti. You should know better.

Chanti, what have we discussed about posting articles that fall within the realm of reality on par with Alex Jones?

Vox is about as accurate as CNN and Jones. You should know better than to listen to sources that think that autism is created by vaccines....

Why doesn't the military let in fatties? Discrimination!

Leading cause of suicide is clinical depression.

Depression is typically caused by stress, emotional and physical trauma and hormone imbalance.

Transgender have one of, if not the highest, rape/molestation victim rates.

Medical cocktails trying to 'cure' their dysphoria.

Constant mistreatment from family and the general public..

But nah, clearly something about transgender people makes them kill themselves with no external influence. Very pragmatic of you.

Because that's totally what I said.


Oh wait, THAT'S what I said. Huh.

Reading is your friend.

And in the military the ball busting friendships would most likely send them over the edge. When I was in we dealt with hard times with humor, especially in the suck.

If by many things, you mean the one thing. As in, abuse from outside sources. That's literally it.

So, you know, you could just stop those things. Which positively effect people beyond transgender.

or we can just punish transgenders for people being *** nuggets to them their entire lives. This one right here totally makes more sense.

If your friends don't know how to not push too far, they *** suck as friends. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

They should probably learn how to be better people.

Well crap. I wasn't aware that in cases of something as complex as the human mind you could literally claim that the only factors that could possibly lead to suicide in transgenders are 100% external, no exceptions, which just so conveniently matches perfectly with your personal beliefs.

How pragmatic of you.

In the meantime, us non-omniscient people who actually view the world with an open mind are left in a world of non-absolutes about such black and white subjects as human freaking psychology.

I never claimed to be a pragmatic person. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But other than a genetic predisposition for susceptibility to depression, there isn't a suicide gene. Said susceptibility isn't transgender exclusive though.

Unless you're trying to bring in self loathing, which is caused by external sources soooo...

Not really? Clinical Depression isn't a spontaneous condition.

You could have said that from the beginning. It would have made this discussion a whole lot easier. Possibly non-existent, even.

Hey, if being a robot with a lack of morality is your thing, go for it. But pragmatism and human psychology really dont mesh well together. Because, y'know, emotions and social morality play a big part of it.

Better to be a pragmatic person than an emotional one.

At least a pragmatic person would be able to solve a problem. Solve it, discover what the solution is, and if possible, prevent the problem from occurring again at the rate it previously occurred, if not completely prevent the problem from occurring ever again.

An emotional person would either:

80% of the time - Make the problem worse by letting their feelings get in the way of creating a solution, or create more problems on an equal or greater scale.
19% of the time - While not creating a bigger and/or more problems to occur, flails around without attempting to solve the problem itself or even come close to preventing the problem from occurring again.
1% of the time (most dangerous solution) - Solves the problem not due to the emotional person's ability to solve it, just guessed or stumbled upon the correct solution out of sheer dumb luck. What makes this dangerous is because the emotional person, not understanding that they didn't discover the solution, somehow is empowered into thinking that they can solve problems, and tries to solve more problems, without realizing that nearly all of the time, they create new problems (see 80%) or waste too much energy doing basically nothing to solve the problem itself (see 19%).

Pragmatic people aren't uncaring. They just find the solution, even if it's not the nicest solution out there. It's the emotional people who are uncaring, and generally the problem to begin with.

Case in point: Obamacare.

Pragmatism does mean uncaring. A pragmatic decision lacks any emotional involvement or care for social morality or ethics.

Pragmatically speaking, if legal slavery is an advantage for the sake of a country, it should be reinstated.

Pragmatically speaking, people who are unable to actively contribute to society have no place in it.


Luckily, us pesky emotional people don't like ***like that and moral/ethical mindsets won out.

Pragmatic (aka realistic) solutions and morality are not mutually exclusive. No matter how much you wish it, it doesn't mean it is true.

Besides, a lot of these so-called "emotional" solutions presented lately lack the morality and ethical boundaries you are so keen on bringing up.

Perfect example of the limitations of emotions. No way can you reason with an emotional person, they are too set on their ways to change. You are more of a robot than I am.


Seems to me that you rather have everyone suffer than to enhance their lives.

You do know the saying "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."

Often to the exclusion of social morality. Funny how that's exactly what I said.

Feel free to give examples that aren't clouded by your own personal biases.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

You're actually this delusional? I mean I figured and 8 but this is an 11.

Deep down, libs are just upset that their tried and true PC weapons no longer seem to be effective.

...but like the sacrificial sidekick in a tv cop-drama, they keep on pulling that broken trigger.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.


But that's what you... this whole page... can't you see... what?