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Random Politics & Religion #26
Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-08-08 14:58:19
No it isnt, the skeptics premise isnt that the climate doesnt change, its that such change is not due in majority to mans emissions of co2. Since "Global Warming" didn't work out when the globe failed to warm as instructed You should take some time to fill Saevel in on the finer nuances of climate "skepticism".
By Viciouss 2017-08-08 14:59:35
3 more links not to bother with folks. Any legit topics today guys? Or should we just leave nausi to troll? Oh yeah, protip, don't go to work and disparage your coworkers, it won't work out for you.
Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-08-08 15:01:22
Let's play out a hypothetical situation here.
Suppose that there's a secret button that could fix climate change immediately. With the push of said button, temperatures, weather patterns, etc. would permanently return to what is considered "normal", and the button would disappear.
The button is given to Al Gore, who has profited immensely from the climate change narrative, and he is given one chance to push it. If he does, nobody would ever know (or believe) that it was him who fixed climate change.
Does he push it?
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By Nausi 2017-08-08 15:02:44
No it isnt, the skeptics premise isnt that the climate doesnt change, its that such change is not due in majority to mans emissions of co2. Since "Global Warming" didn't work out when the globe failed to warm as instructed You should take some time to fill Saevel in on the finer nuances of climate "skepticism". He already knows, were both making the same point.
The "pause" is exhibit a in both arguments.
Most co2 ever, temps fail to rise as expected.
Turn on your brain.
Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-08-08 15:03:26
Let's play out a hypothetical situation here. No. Make a real argument.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-08-08 15:04:06
3 more links not to bother with folks. Any legit topics today guys? Or should we just leave nausi to troll? Oh yeah, protip, don't go to work and disparage your coworkers, it won't work out for you.
What, would you only accept a link from CNN? As if they would ever report something that hurts their narrative. It's hard to take anyone seriously when the only links they believe are ones that tailor to their own political agenda.
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By Nausi 2017-08-08 15:04:10
So who's denying science now ... ? Do you even realize that your misrepresenting my argument or are you ignorant of that?
Serious question.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-08-08 15:05:00
Let's play out a hypothetical situation here. No. Make a real argument.
Good idea, you should try it sometime.
But seriously, you know he wouldn't push it.
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By Nausi 2017-08-08 15:06:18
3 more links not to bother with folks. Any legit topics today guys? Or should we just leave nausi to troll? Oh yeah, protip, don't go to work and disparage your coworkers, it won't work out for you.
What, would you only accept a link from CNN? As if they would ever report something that hurts their narrative. It's hard to take anyone seriously when the only links they believe are ones that tailor to their own political agenda. If facts I don't like doesnt promote it, how could it possibly be true?
By Nausi 2017-08-08 15:07:52
Let's play out a hypothetical situation here. No. Make a real argument.
Good idea, you should try it sometime.
But seriously, you know he wouldn't push it.
Of course he doesnt believe it, noone who believe this garbage would personally producr as much carbon as he does. But leading by example is not a requirement for successful grouphink.
By Viciouss 2017-08-08 15:08:23
3 more links not to bother with folks. Any legit topics today guys? Or should we just leave nausi to troll? Oh yeah, protip, don't go to work and disparage your coworkers, it won't work out for you.
What, would you only accept a link from CNN? As if they would ever report something that hurts their narrative. It's hard to take anyone seriously when the only links they believe are ones that tailor to their own political agenda.
So don't take nausi seriously? Already way past that.
Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-08-08 15:09:04
Good idea, you should try it sometime.
But seriously, you know he wouldn't push it. Literally who cares? It's not even a realistic hypothetical and it only exists to confirm your own bias.
By Nausi 2017-08-08 15:09:34
On top of all that the Norks now are believed to have nukes capable of sitting on their ICBMs
Thanks Obama!
Asura.Saevel
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-08-08 15:11:26
I would disagree. It's all predicated on the false assumption that global warming is not a thing that is actually happening.
No it isn't, the skeptics premise isn't that the climate doesn't change, its that such change is not due in majority to mans emissions of co2.
The mischaracterization of the skeptics argument is the foundation of thre alarmist's.
Alarmists would have everyone believe that our climate is so fragile that a slight difference of a hundreth of a percent in composition is enough to destroy the world.
The skeptical position isn't a denial of the possibility of Climate Change, it's the assertion that there isn't sufficient evidence to establish the certainty of the Global Warming Theory. There is a ridiculously high bar of evidence required in science to establish the certainty of anything. Parts of Einsteins General Relativity still haven't reached that bar and we've been studying that for far longer then Global Warming. Every year we discover how much we didn't know the year before and how wrong the previous assumptions were. Somehow we're all just supposed to accept that conclusions made in the mid eighties based on incorrect data from the seventies that was politically sanctified by the left in the nineties is still valid and 100% certain today at this very moment. Regardless of the fact that every single prediction made by this theory has failed.
In Real Science there is the concept of falsifiability or nullification, and it's one of the key markers of true science vs pseudo science. It's the concept that all theories should have a method of proving said theory false. If it's impossible to prove a theory false, then that theory fails the falsifiability test and is pseduo science. In Real Science, accepted theories are frequently subjected to tests to attempt to prove them false or discover some exception, this is extremely important in Science.
Except in Climate Science no such testabiltiy is required, and instead whatever they say is true is accepted as absolute and complete truth. Any attempts at testing the Global Warming Theory are immediately declared heretical, unethical and immoral.
A popular example of a theory failing the falsifiability test is the Theory of God. It's impossible to disprove this theory and any attempt to do is met with those attempting declared heretics, immoral and unethical. This is why I equate the current Global Warming supporters to a religious cult, they act exactly the same.
Cult Leader (in 1998) > "The world will end in 2000, repent of your sins or face damnation"
Believer > Yes the consensus is we believe you.
Cult Leader (in 2005) > "The world will end in 2014, repent of your sins or face damnation"
Believer > Yes the consensus is we believe you ... again
Cult Leader (in 2015) > "The world will end in 2030, repent of your sins or face damnation"
Believer > Yes the consensus is we believe you ... still
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-08-08 15:14:32
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Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-08-08 15:15:21
Well, we've run the gamut of nonsense posting from Al Gore to "it's just a theory" in record time. We're getting nothing if not more efficient.
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Asura.Saevel
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-08-08 15:17:40
The "pause" is exhibit a in both arguments.
Specifically the failure of Global Warming supporters to predict said pause.
Absolutely ZERO of their models predicted anything that remotely resembled this pause. They all showed temperature continuously going up and when the "pause" happened they all bullshited every possible reason imaginable and eventually just edited their definitions and gas lighted that the "pause" never happened in the first place and that objective reality was incorrect and their computer models correct.
And then their supporters demand that we believe them out of faith, or we're all damned.
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By Blazed1979 2017-08-08 15:18:28
French Liberty at its best - "freedom of expression" my cul.
French journalist arrested for exposing Israeli connection to 11/13/15 false flag
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/03/01/hicham-arrete/
Quote: The mysterious source of the controversial (and illegal) Bataclan photo turns out to be ISRAELI EXTREMISTS
By Kevin Barrett, Veterans Today Editor, with Hicham Hamza
On February 22nd, investigative journalist Hicham Hamza was detained for seven hours by French police. Charged with “violating judicial secrecy, publishing images in grave violation of human dignity, and premeditated willful violence,” Hamza is facing potential prison time for committing an act of honest journalism.
Click here for more information about ANOTHER French False Flag?
Click HERE for more information about ANOTHER French False Flag? (Cover collage photo courtesy of the JDL)
Hamza’s “crime”: He revealed the Israeli origin of the famous macabre photo depicting victims’ bodies, some in seemingly impossible positions, strewn around the blood-smeared floor of the Bataclan nightclub. That photo, whose authenticity has been questioned in the alternative media, is the basis of David Dees’ collage on the front cover of ANOTHER French False Flag? Bloody Tracks from Paris to San Bernardino.
The arrest of Hicham Hamza exemplifies how the great French tradition of liberté has been crumpled up and tossed into the Seine in the wake of the 11/13 false flag. The State of Emergency that followed the attack has been officially extended until May, without any evidence or reason given, and its term may become “indefinite” meaning, for all practical purposes, permanent.
Hicham Hamza is virtually the only investigative journalist in France with the courage to question the official stories of the Charlie Hebdo and 11/13 attacks. Please support him by visiting his Panamza website and scrolling to the bottom, where you will find a paypal donation button.
Below is my translation of Hicham Hamza’s article describing his arrest.
-Kevin Barrett
Detained by police for investigating the attacks in Paris
by Hicham Hamza, Panamza.com
An independent journalist and founder of the investigative website Panamza, I was detained for seven hours by police about an article in which I revealed the Israeli origin of the shocking photo of the Bataclan.
On Monday, February 22nd, I went of my own accord to the police station in response to a summons from the Crimes Against Persons Brigade, located in the 13th arrondissement of Paris.
The day before, I had received an “urgent” voice message from an official of the Directorate of the Judicial Police asking me to call him immediately. The reason: my December 15th article entitled “Bataclan Carnage: The shocking photo was disseminated from Jerusalem.”
I was familiar with the Judicial Police premises, having been summoned twice to to respond to “defamation” complaints brought against me by Caroline Fourest and Pierre Bergé.
Surprise! This time, upon arrival I was “placed in custody” following a preliminary investigation by the Paris prosecutor. The officer informed me that I was now suspected of having committed – by publishing my article – the following offenses: “violation of the secrecy of an investigation”, “publication of an image that seriously undermines human dignity,” and “premeditated voluntary violence without ITT.”*
Yes, you read that correctly.
So what happened next?
I was led to cell to await the arrival of my lawyer Isabelle Coutant-Peyre so that she could be present, as the law allows, during my interrogation.
After the interrogation, I was made to read and sign the minutes of my statements. I was then returned to detention pending the police response. Five hours later I left the musty old double-locked room to learn that no decision had been taken by the prosecutor of the Republic.
I was finally allowed to collect my things and go.
The merits of the case?
While following the torturous trail of the shocking, anonymous Bataclan massacre photo, I had done my work as an investigative journalist. My objective was to fully document my sources. So in my article, I inserted the URL of the first web page containing the non-blurred Bataclan picture (which I had chosen to truncate on my site).
The original source of the photo turned out, oddly enough, to be a tweet published by an Israeli organization headed by the US neoconservative Mark Gerson.
My practice – which is increasingly costly and risky – of ultra-sourced web journalism is my guarantee of reliability for my readers: I give them my sources to check so they can judge for themselves the veracity of my information.
Today, the Paris prosecutor – who reports directly to the Ministry of Justice – claimed that I had supposedly “violated the secrecy of the investigation” and committed “premeditated voluntary violence” by “disseminating” the photo necessarily included in this tweet.
Duly noted.
I had already said in my hearing that I contested with the greatest force the validity of such accusations.
The Paris prosecutor’s office, directed by François Molins, now has six months to decide whether to indict me.
In the crosshairs
Keep in mind that on December 1st, the Valls government had announced – via its interministerial delegate Gilles Clavreul – its hostility against me, confessing awkwardly that it would seek “legal loopholes to get (Hamza) prosecuted.”
Meanwhile, the arrival of Jean-Jacques Urvoas to head the Department of Justice was accompanied, more discreetly, by another little-noticed change. Thomas Andrieu, the director of the Civil Liberties and Legal Affairs Bureau of the Ministry of Interior (and former right arm of Manuel Valls) became on February 5th the chief of staff of the new Minister of Justice.
On December 2nd I had published an article about this close associate of the pro-Israel network. The chief architect of the state of emergency, Thomas Andrieu had been previously charged with carrying out the government’s promise (which was in the end never kept) of dissolving the Jewish Defense League. (Editor’s note: Responsible for dozens if not hundreds of terrorist attacks, and untold thousands of threats of violence, the JDL has been officially declared a terrorist organization by the FBI; yet due to the power of the Zionist lobby it remains legal in France, Canada, and other countries.)
A detail that speaks volumes: In my article “Bataclan Carnage: The shocking photo was disseminated from Jerusalem,” I also raised questions about the JDL, stressing that this Zionist and racist militia, which is tolerated in France (but considered a terrorist group the United States and Israel) had directly published the gruesome Bataclan photograph on the homepage of its website.
We still do not know all the details about provenance and chain of custody of the photograph in question, which was designed to elicit terror, and whose authenticity is has been much discussed in the foreign alternative media. What we do know is that it first appeared on the website of a webmaster based in Jerusalem.
But it should come as no surprise that the Jewish Defense League – a small group linked to similar networks of the Israeli extreme right – could publish the photo without attracting the wrath of Bernard Cazeneuve, the Minister of the Interior who is extremely obliging to the the Zionist movement and its operational relay in France: the Mossad.
Surprise, surprise: Along with the explicit title “Bataclan photo of the victims,” the shocking picture, whose publication by the JDL was exposed a month later on Panamza, has since been replaced by an off-topic illustration showing … the seats in the house.
Someone in high places must have protected the JDL from any police summons by quietly asking them to remove the photograph.
As for me: For revealing the Israeli source of the image,which was manipulated through social media to instill fear and acceptance of draconian security measures, I was detained by police, at the request of prosecutors, for seven hours.
Now I am under threat of new prosecutions likely to bring, this time, a prison sentence.
I have no illusions about the traditional corporate media, with its complete indifference to my detention. After eight years of exercising my investigative reporting skills on taboo subjects, namely the Zionist movement and false flag terrorism, I reclaim outsider status with respect to the profession, as a journalist – to borrow a phrase Glenn Greeenwald – “who was never part of the seraglio.”**
I no longer count on the public support of certain personalities and associations that are generally engaged in opposing disinformation or the Israeli apartheid regime: most have unfortunately agreed to become the useful idiots of the Valls government, even to the point of offering the fashionable denunciation, worthy of the old totalitarian regimes, of the “conspiracy theorists.” This intellectual fraud is designed to demonize anyone who challenges official pronouncements.
I count on you, loyal and benevolent reader.
Your support is my stronghold. https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5farmu/french_journalist_arrested_after_exposing_israeli/
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-08-08 15:20:45
It's like asking, Trump has the power to make every American rich, but it would make him poor in the process, does he do it?
He wouldn't, no one would expect him to.
That's what leftists don't seem to get, you guys have substituted political ideology for religion. Progressive ideology has harnessed the human desire to believe in something greater and transformed it into political belief.
Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-08-08 15:21:32
Good idea, you should try it sometime.
But seriously, you know he wouldn't push it. Literally who cares? It's not even a realistic hypothetical and it only exists to confirm your own bias.
You mean hypotheticals about magic buttons aren't realistic?!?
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The point is that people seem to care more about the political benefits far more than they care about the (supposed) actual problem. They need these issues to remain. They need racial division, so they perpetuate it. They need class warfare, so they perpetuate it. They need a perpetual welfare group, so they perpetuate it.
In other words, why should we take at face value anything that the Left pushes about climate change when it has become a political issue with beneficiaries that rely on a solution never being found?
Asura.Saevel
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-08-08 15:23:56
Good idea, you should try it sometime.
But seriously, you know he wouldn't push it. Literally who cares? It's not even a realistic hypothetical and it only exists to confirm your own bias.
You mean hypotheticals about magic buttons aren't realistic?!?
youdontsay.jpg
The point is that people seem to care more about the political benefits far more than they care about the (supposed) actual problem. They need these issues to remain. They need racial division, so they perpetuate it. They need class warfare, so they perpetuate it. They need a perpetual welfare group, so they perpetuate it.
In other words, why should we take at face value anything that the Left pushes about climate change when it has become a political issue with beneficiaries that rely on a solution never being found?
The people care more about their religion then the actual tenets of that religion. They would murder to spread their peaceful religion, after all killing a natzi doesn't really count right. Anything For the Cause!
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Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-08-08 15:52:40
In other words, why should we take at face value anything that the Left pushes about climate change when it has become a political issue with beneficiaries that rely on a solution never being found? Like I said, that hypothetical existing only to reinforce your imagination on what you think climate change research and policy is. Ultimately the solution is clear and blatantly obvious - if the problem is caused by increased global co2 emissions then emissions need to be reduced. There's no skirting around that but it can, and is, being addressed by direct (eg, co2 caps) and indirect (eg, green energy investments) policies.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-08-08 15:53:41
At one point he says he worked with the local government to slaughter 50,000 elephants there because they believed it would help the land and help stop the desertification. the ***
Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-08-08 16:09:57
Ultimately the solution is clear and blatantly obvious - if the problem is caused by increased global co2 emissions then emissions need to be reduced. There's no skirting around that but it can, and is, being addressed by direct (eg, co2 caps) and indirect (eg, green energy investments) policies.
So, the solution is to do things that don't work, do more harm than good, or are flat too inefficient to be sustainable. Who is this supposed to help again?
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