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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-07-05 19:20:44
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
And an interesting, late breaking piece which has nothing to do with HanA**holeSolo.

Voter fraud commission may have violated law
The Hill

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President Trump’s voter fraud commission may have violated the law by ignoring federal requirements governing requests for information from states....

... Kobach did not address the question of whether his office complied with federal law in issuing its request for public information. And if the commission didn’t follow the rule of law, the resistant states might have another effective argument.

Under the Paperwork Reduction Act, information requests from agencies and other federal entities are supposed to first be submitted to the Office of Management and Budget’s Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA).

This 1980 law requires federal agencies to seek public input, including through a comment period, before a request for information. A 1995 amendment extended OIRA’s authority to include not only requests for information for the government, but also requests for information to the public.

The law also requires that agencies justify their requests for public information, specify how it will be used and provide assurances that data will be protected. The law also obliges the agencies to estimate how many hours it will take entities to respond.

It does not appear that the commission submitted its request to OIRA before sending a letter to states asking for voter information.

Experts say the failure to do so would be significant, since states would be under no obligation to respond to requests that violate federal law....
May? Try "did"
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By Viciouss 2017-07-05 19:33:12
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It doesn't matter, over 40 states have already said they wouldn't be sharing some, or any, of the information requested. All of them have said there would be no SSN's shared. Its a dumb idea from a dumb commission.
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By Anna Ruthven 2017-07-05 19:57:46
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
And an interesting, late breaking piece which has nothing to do with HanA**holeSolo.

Voter fraud commission may have violated law
The Hill

Important excerpts:
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President Trump’s voter fraud commission may have violated the law by ignoring federal requirements governing requests for information from states....

... Kobach did not address the question of whether his office complied with federal law in issuing its request for public information. And if the commission didn’t follow the rule of law, the resistant states might have another effective argument.

Under the Paperwork Reduction Act, information requests from agencies and other federal entities are supposed to first be submitted to the Office of Management and Budget’s Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA).

This 1980 law requires federal agencies to seek public input, including through a comment period, before a request for information. A 1995 amendment extended OIRA’s authority to include not only requests for information for the government, but also requests for information to the public.

The law also requires that agencies justify their requests for public information, specify how it will be used and provide assurances that data will be protected. The law also obliges the agencies to estimate how many hours it will take entities to respond.

It does not appear that the commission submitted its request to OIRA before sending a letter to states asking for voter information.

Experts say the failure to do so would be significant, since states would be under no obligation to respond to requests that violate federal law....
May? Try "did"
Voter fraud commission did have violated law

Looks stupid, you're stupid.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-07-05 20:00:53
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Anna Ruthven said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
And an interesting, late breaking piece which has nothing to do with HanA**holeSolo.

Voter fraud commission may have violated law
The Hill

Important excerpts:
Quote:
President Trump’s voter fraud commission may have violated the law by ignoring federal requirements governing requests for information from states....

... Kobach did not address the question of whether his office complied with federal law in issuing its request for public information. And if the commission didn’t follow the rule of law, the resistant states might have another effective argument.

Under the Paperwork Reduction Act, information requests from agencies and other federal entities are supposed to first be submitted to the Office of Management and Budget’s Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA).

This 1980 law requires federal agencies to seek public input, including through a comment period, before a request for information. A 1995 amendment extended OIRA’s authority to include not only requests for information for the government, but also requests for information to the public.

The law also requires that agencies justify their requests for public information, specify how it will be used and provide assurances that data will be protected. The law also obliges the agencies to estimate how many hours it will take entities to respond.

It does not appear that the commission submitted its request to OIRA before sending a letter to states asking for voter information.

Experts say the failure to do so would be significant, since states would be under no obligation to respond to requests that violate federal law....
May? Try "did"
Voter fraud commission did have violated law

Looks stupid, you're stupid.
Bravo, Oklahoman.

Bravo.

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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-07-05 20:04:14
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
I really don't understand what they were trying to do with their "how we found this *****" story. Pat themselves on the back? If so they not only sprained their wrist, they threw their shoulder out of joint.

Imho. I believe this where the narrative is misleading. Especially since that's the one coming from everybody but the actual parties involved.

Sometimes I wonder if people are being obtuse when they ask "why was the media even looking this person up?". Like, as if the President of the United States using content someone created isn't noteworthy and newsworthy in of itself. Suddenly the PoTUS acknowledging you or your work is not a big deal?

It in itself is a story.

Seems like:

They connected the dots of his Reddit post history with cross referenced Facebook searches, got a strong lead and called to verify.

Turns out person trolls for the sake of trolling and had a "oh ***, if people find out I've posted some fairly reprehensible and offensive things about minority's as an anonymous online persona, I'm going to have trouble" moment.

That's based off their own words in their apology statement with the cliche line "I'm not really a bigoted racist in real life I have gay, Jewish and black friends" line.

He made an apology statement then contacted CNN to follow up their request about an interview and confirmed their identity. CNN's statement was basically since this person took the initiative and showed remorsefulness and expressed that they would not reveal their identity. But hey trolls are going to troll and if it's all a front we'll publish your name in the story.

Meanwhile over in 4Chans /pol/ politically incorrect somebody posted his profile because Facebook is totally in the public arena.

I think the main takeaway here is that the media doesn't operate like an Internet forum and is not interested in protecting your anonymity because it's not illegal nor impacting their operations.

How could they do it so quickly though?
Its not like these sites are selling your data or anything right?


Going to be interesting when ISPs get to start selling our information to highest bidders.
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By Nausi 2017-07-05 21:53:32
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Viciouss said: »
It doesn't matter, over 40 states have already said they wouldn't be sharing some, or any, of the information requested. All of them have said there would be no SSN's shared. Its a dumb idea from a dumb commission.
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Also this is by far the best trump/cnn meme of the last 24 hours.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-07-05 21:57:39
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It's ridiculous that anyone felt the need to track down the person in the first place. He guy didn't do anything special. He was just another anonymous internet user employing crappy gifs to be funny, except he just happened to hit the presidential Twitter lottery. But hey, let's make sure he apologizes for insulting our laughing stock of a "news" agency. There's no way that can backfire, such as causing the internet to explode with anti-CNN memes.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-07-05 22:26:17
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They wanted to interview the guy responsible for the content of Trump's tweet. This isn't hard.
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By Nausi 2017-07-05 22:36:49
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
They wanted to interview the guy responsible for the content of Trump's tweet. This isn't hard.
That's some pretty hard denial you've got going there.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-07-05 22:47:48
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Nausi said: »


Also this is by far the best trump/cnn meme of the last 24 hours.

Not really.

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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-07-05 22:58:36
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
This isn't hard.

You're going to give them an envious complex.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2017-07-06 01:35:55
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
This isn't hard.

You're going to give them an envious complex.
This isn't even semi erect.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-07-06 06:00:34
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Nausi said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
They wanted to interview the guy responsible for the content of Trump's tweet. This isn't hard.
That's some pretty hard denial you've got going there.
That's all he has anymore.

He is in denial of the election results, and still thinks Queen Hillary won. He is just waiting for his invitation to the coordination.

He even has the gown picked out and everything.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-07-06 09:22:23
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Best article I have found about the whole HanA**holeSolo - CNN bit:

Now involving Reddit and neo-Nazis, the spiraling Trump-CNN feud is 2017 in a nutshell
L. A. Times

Has the whole timeline but it ain't in a nutshell, a fairly long read actually.
 
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-07-06 13:35:09
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The and you thought our politics were nasty department:

Militias Storm Venezuela Congress, Beat Lawmakers
At least 4 opposition politicians were injured


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(Newser) – Pro-government militias wielding wooden sticks and metal bars stormed the congress building in Caracas on Wednesday, attacking opposition lawmakers during a special session coinciding with Venezuela's independence day. At least four lawmakers were injured and blood was spattered on the National Assembly's white walls, the AP reports. One lawmaker, Americo de Grazia, had to be removed in a stretcher while suffering from convulsions. "This doesn't hurt as much as watching how every day how we lose a little bit more of our country," another, Armando Arias, said from inside an ambulance as he was being treated for head wounds that spilled blood across his clothes.

The unprecedented attack, in plain view of national guardsmen assigned to protect the legislature, comes amid three months of often-violent confrontations between security forces and protesters who accuse Nicolas Maduro's government of trying to establish a dictatorship by jailing foes and rewriting the constitution to avoid fair elections. National Assembly president Julio Borges said more than 350 politicians, journalists, and others were trapped in a siege of the building that continued until dusk, Reuters reports."There are bullets, cars destroyed including mine, blood stains around the palace," he said. "The violence in Venezuela has a name and surname: Nicolas Maduro."
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-07-06 15:02:58
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I'm somewhat torn on the Venezuelan protests. Obviously violence is not to be encouraged (generally speaking), but these aren't snowflake protesters who can't mentally handle the natural swing of the political pendulum. These are people who live in very desperate circumstances and whose constitutional republic is creeping ever closer to dictatorship. People can only take so much before revolution breaks out....
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/incoming deniers proclaiming that saying to never existed.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-07-06 18:09:43
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
I'm somewhat torn on the Venezuelan protests. Obviously violence is not to be encouraged (generally speaking), but these aren't snowflake protesters who can't mentally handle the natural swing of the political pendulum. These are people who live in very desperate circumstances and whose constitutional republic is creeping ever closer to dictatorship. People can only take so much before revolution breaks out....

They already a dictatorship. Just a costume of Democracy now.
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
They wanted to interview the guy responsible for the content of Trump's tweet. This isn't hard.

I'm only wondering how they found the person to begin with. That leaves these questions.

1.) Did a Reddit moderator fork over the person's IP address?
2.) Why did CNN go out of their way to get this IP address?
3.) How did they track the IP address? There's a lot implications to this one. (Time Warner is an ISP, and they just so happen to be CNN's parent company. They could have traced the person's IP address if they were that person's ISP.)
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-07-06 20:30:57
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Yatenkou said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
They wanted to interview the guy responsible for the content of Trump's tweet. This isn't hard.

I'm only wondering how they found the person to begin with. That leaves these questions.

1.) Did a Reddit moderator fork over the person's IP address?
2.) Why did CNN go out of their way to get this IP address?
3.) How did they track the IP address? There's a lot implications to this one. (Time Warner is an ISP, and they just so happen to be CNN's parent company. They could have traced the person's IP address if they were that person's ISP.)

Garuda.Chanti said: »
Best article I have found about the whole HanA**holeSolo - CNN bit:

Now involving Reddit and neo-Nazis, the spiraling Trump-CNN feud is 2017 in a nutshell
L. A. Times

Has the whole timeline but it ain't in a nutshell, a fairly long read actually.
Read it.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-07-06 20:38:52
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Yatenkou said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
They wanted to interview the guy responsible for the content of Trump's tweet. This isn't hard.

I'm only wondering how they found the person to begin with. That leaves these questions.

1.) Did a Reddit moderator fork over the person's IP address?
2.) Why did CNN go out of their way to get this IP address?
3.) How did they track the IP address? There's a lot implications to this one. (Time Warner is an ISP, and they just so happen to be CNN's parent company. They could have traced the person's IP address if they were that person's ISP.)

Garuda.Chanti said: »
Best article I have found about the whole HanA**holeSolo - CNN bit:

Now involving Reddit and neo-Nazis, the spiraling Trump-CNN feud is 2017 in a nutshell
L. A. Times

Has the whole timeline but it ain't in a nutshell, a fairly long read actually.
Read it.


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By Asura.Saevel 2017-07-06 20:54:09
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Yatenkou said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
They wanted to interview the guy responsible for the content of Trump's tweet. This isn't hard.

I'm only wondering how they found the person to begin with. That leaves these questions.

1.) Did a Reddit moderator fork over the person's IP address?
2.) Why did CNN go out of their way to get this IP address?
3.) How did they track the IP address? There's a lot implications to this one. (Time Warner is an ISP, and they just so happen to be CNN's parent company. They could have traced the person's IP address if they were that person's ISP.)

They stalked him on the internet. It's really easy to track down people's real identity if they participate in social media and anonymous message boards using the same email address. Goes double if you can get a SJW with elevated access rights involved.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-07-06 20:59:31
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Personally I think all trolls should be doxed.

Not just this particular asshat, but every last one of them.

They thrive on anonymity. This asshat is a perfe4ct example. Once he figured out that he might be doxed, he folded, profusely apologized, and THEN contacted CNN to grovel.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-07-06 21:01:30
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That kind of thinking is dangerous Chanti.

Who's to say who is a troll or not?

Because, this can be politicized quicker than you can say "internet freedom"

Would you like your personal information released by Lordgrim, Altimaomega, or the worst of them all, Kojo?
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-07-06 21:19:50
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Wait... Alti and I have a common bond about cows.

LG and I amn't even on a common wavelength.

And I have nothing to fear from the new earthquake capitol of the nation.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-07-06 21:23:37
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Point is, there's absolutely no stopping people from "doxing" each other because they don't agree on anything.

Which is basically what CNN did to this guy.

They coerced him to silence after publicly apologizing for having a viewpoint that CNN didn't like. All over a silly meme.

CNN really needs to be slapped down on this behavior. If they get away with it (bad publicity is not enough in this case), what's to stop them from doing it to the next person?
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