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By fonewear 2017-03-31 08:49:10
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Well where could it have come from if not from some kind of surveillance?

Its not like the term incidental collection was mentionned dozens of times.

Do you even know how big the NSA is they are reading your post as we speak !
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-03-31 08:50:01
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fonewear said: »
It's really long but basically that thing says that Obama is part of some Islamic cult destined to destroy America...and I know it's true cause I read it on the internet !

oh I see.

it's kinda like the Kevin Bacon game... only with soviet spies and plots to take over the world.... in place of movies.
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By fonewear 2017-03-31 08:50:12
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President Obama’s Director of National Intelligence (DNI) James Clapper and his Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) director John Brennan oversaw a secret supercomputer system known as “THE HAMMER,” according to former NSA/CIA contractor-turned whistleblower Dennis Montgomery.

Clapper and Brennan were using the supercomputer system to conduct illegal and unconstitutional government data harvesting and wiretapping. THE HAMMER was installed on federal property in Fort Washington, Maryland at a complex which some speculate is a secret CIA and NSA operation operating at a US Naval facility.

President Trump’s allegation that the Obama Administration was wiretapping him is not only supported by Montgomery’s whistleblower revelations about Brennan’s and Clapper’s computer system THE HAMMER, but also by statements made this week by William Binney, a former NSA Technical Director of the World Geopolitical and Military Analysis Reporting Group, by former CIA and State Department official Larry Johnson, and by Montgomery’s attorney Larry Klayman.

Computer expert Dennis Montgomery developed software programs that could breach secure computer systems and collect massive amounts of data.

That system, THE HAMMER, according to the audio tapes, accessed the phone calls, emails and bank accounts of millions of ordinary Americans.

The tapes also reveal that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance court (FISA), Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts, 156 other judges, members of Congress, and Donald J. Trump were targeted by the HAMMER.

One of the audio tapes made public by Federal Judge G. Murray Snow revealed that Brennan and Clapper particularly targeted and wiretapped Donald Trump a “zillion times.”
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-31 08:50:27
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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Well where could it have come from if not from some kind of surveillance?

Its not like the term incidental collection was mentionned dozens of times.
Incidental surveillance is surveillance. We aren't having that argument are we?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-31 08:52:04
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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Well where could it have come from if not from some kind of surveillance?

Its not like the term incidental collection was mentionned dozens of times.
First it was "Trump was never wiretapped! He never was surveyed!"

Now it's "Trump was captured in 'incidental collection' but it wasn't on purpose!"

I wonder what the next excuse will be? Probably "They thought that Russia was colluding with Trump to hack the election! Of course they are justified in collecting and unmasking his phone records, even though it had nothing to do with Russia!"
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By fonewear 2017-03-31 08:56:28
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Well where could it have come from if not from some kind of surveillance?

Its not like the term incidental collection was mentionned dozens of times.
First it was "Trump was never wiretapped! He never was surveyed!"

Now it's "Trump was captured in 'incidental collection' but it wasn't on purpose!"

I wonder what the next excuse will be? Probably "They thought that Russia was colluding with Trump to hack the election! Of course they are justified in collecting and unmasking his phone records, even though it had nothing to do with Russia!"
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-03-31 08:57:04
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
incidental collection

I like that you don't see anything at all wrong with this statement...

You should really delete your browser history more often... and maybe rethink the nomenclature on your porn folders...they're kind of obvious.

just saying.
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By fonewear 2017-03-31 08:58:12
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So if you accidentally wiretap a President what do you say "oops my bad" !
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By fonewear 2017-03-31 08:58:55
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Actually that sounds like something a Canadian would do. "Sorry we didn't mean to wiretap you Mr. President Sir !"
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-31 08:59:31
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fonewear said: »
So if you accidentally wiretap a President what do you say "oops my bad" !
You say "I hope I don't get caught this time!"
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By fonewear 2017-03-31 09:00:36
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If I'm not mistaken didn't Obama wiretap the female Hitler's phone ? Why should we trust him !
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-03-31 09:01:35
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also the milk in your refrigerator is about to go bad...

tomorrow.

sorry but it's been bugging me all week.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-31 09:02:08
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Trump team wasnt the target thats the whole point
Do you know that for a fact?

I mean, the whole unmasking situation states otherwise.

If Trump and his team were not the targets (directly or indirectly), why else would they unmask his identity and share that information with agencies that do not need to know?
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By fonewear 2017-03-31 09:02:44
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This is the same Obama that expanded mass surveillance the likes of which you've never seen ! And we are just going to pass it off as Russian spying...yea ok !
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-31 09:02:51
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Yep Fone, libs are dangerously close to the "jet fuel/steel beams" drain with this Russian story.
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You guys are watching too many James Bond movies. Hell Russia is probably the "good guy" the US government has always been against the people.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-03-31 09:05:06
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
, if they spy on lets say the Russian embassador

the russian embassador? do you mean the one with the diplomatic immunity? the one they couldn't give a parking ticket to? oh that guy? yeah.. no... he looked shifty as hell

I'm glad they were all over him >.>


good work and kudos for everybody
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-31 09:05:29
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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Well where could it have come from if not from some kind of surveillance?

Its not like the term incidental collection was mentionned dozens of times.
Incidental surveillance is surveillance. We aren't having that argument are we?

Trump team wasnt the target thats the whole point, if they spy on lets say the Russian embassador, they are going to collect incidental intel from everyone who talks to him.

Thats not hard to understand. Now the question is why was flynn identity unmasked and was it done legally. Also who leaked the info.
So then, he was surveiled right (Even if it was incidental)?

I mean let's get what we can agree on agreed upon.

As for why they were unmasked and leaked, I'm genuinely curious as to what your conclusion is.
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By fonewear 2017-03-31 09:06:01
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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Trump team wasnt the target thats the whole point
Do you know that for a fact?

I mean, the whole unmasking situation states otherwise.

If Trump and his team were not the targets (directly or indirectly), why else would they unmask his identity and share that information with agencies that do not need to know?

According to the NSA it happens when they may have witnessed a criminal act.

I'm glad we cleared that up. Next case your honor !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-31 09:07:20
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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Trump team wasnt the target thats the whole point
Do you know that for a fact?

I mean, the whole unmasking situation states otherwise.

If Trump and his team were not the targets (directly or indirectly), why else would they unmask his identity and share that information with agencies that do not need to know?

According to the NSA it happens when they may have witnessed a criminal act.
And yet, they don't have evidence stating that any crime was committed. Nor are they making any accusations of such foul play.

In fact, the only thing they have going for them is that Trump won the general election. Which they cannot accept as truth.

So, they make ***up, and that is what this "investigation" is all about. That, and political character assassination.
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By fonewear 2017-03-31 09:09:51
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I'm sure if Hillary were to win we would spend every waking second discussing Russian spying...
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By fonewear 2017-03-31 09:11:16
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I don't trust the same NSA that used mass surveillance to spy on it's own citizens. I'm more likely to try the Russian government than my own.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-31 09:11:29
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I mean in all honesty I'm starting to see an upside to dragging this hacking influencing story out as long as in can go. I mean the dems are slowly turning their base into the next gen of 9/11 truthers.
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By fonewear 2017-03-31 09:11:59
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So Mel Gibson is behind the leaks... I knew it !
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it smells like krugerrands and bunny chow up in this ***!
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