Brilliant move by trump (as always). This has to shuffle out in two ways.
1) Either there is additional details that implicitly implicate the previous president in police state / banana republic stuff.
OR
2) Everyone has to acknowledge the spying on his that did occur came up with absolutely ZERO evidence in it's presumption that he or anyone in his campaign has any involvement with Russia.
Either way, what did Obama know, and when did he know it?
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Brilliant move by trump (as always). This has to shuffle out in two ways.
1) Either there is additional details that implicitly implicate the previous president in police state / banana republic stuff.
OR
2) Everyone has to acknowledge the spying on his that did occur came up with absolutely ZERO evidence in it's presumption that he or anyone in his campaign has any involvement with Russia.
Either way, what did Obama know, and when did he know it?
1) Either there is additional details that implicitly implicate the previous president in police state / banana republic stuff.
OR
2) Everyone has to acknowledge the spying on his that did occur came up with absolutely ZERO evidence in it's presumption that he or anyone in his campaign has any involvement with Russia.
Either way, what did Obama know, and when did he know it?
or
3)If his tower was tapped he could declassify and release it now and put all this Russia business to rest... that's if there is nothing there on the matter.
Checking the news, let's see....
Russia talk, Russia talk, more Russia talk....
No proof of wrongdoing in spite of multiple investigations, implied connections to Russia that have to be backed up with disclaimers that there is no concrete evidence, blowing minor things out of proportion....
Nothing new then. Cool.
Russia talk, Russia talk, more Russia talk....
No proof of wrongdoing in spite of multiple investigations, implied connections to Russia that have to be backed up with disclaimers that there is no concrete evidence, blowing minor things out of proportion....
Nothing new then. Cool.
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Checking the news, let's see....
Russia talk, Russia talk, more Russia talk....
No proof of wrongdoing in spite of multiple investigations, implied connections to Russia that have to be backed up with disclaimers that there is no concrete evidence, blowing minor things out of proportion....
Nothing new then. Cool.
Russia talk, Russia talk, more Russia talk....
No proof of wrongdoing in spite of multiple investigations, implied connections to Russia that have to be backed up with disclaimers that there is no concrete evidence, blowing minor things out of proportion....
Nothing new then. Cool.
Russia Oh yea:
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Brilliant move by trump (as always). This has to shuffle out in two ways.
1) Either there is additional details that implicitly implicate the previous president in police state / banana republic stuff.
OR
2) Everyone has to acknowledge the spying on his that did occur came up with absolutely ZERO evidence in it's presumption that he or anyone in his campaign has any involvement with Russia.
Either way, what did Obama know, and when did he know it?
1) Either there is additional details that implicitly implicate the previous president in police state / banana republic stuff.
OR
2) Everyone has to acknowledge the spying on his that did occur came up with absolutely ZERO evidence in it's presumption that he or anyone in his campaign has any involvement with Russia.
Either way, what did Obama know, and when did he know it?
or
3)If his tower was tapped he could declassify and release it now and put all this Russia business to rest... that's if there is nothing there on the matter.
At this point there is no contesting that he was "tapped". Obama's FBI did it, and found nothing. When did Obama know about it? How much was Obama really involved?
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How do we know that Obama isn't working for Russia hmm hmm ?
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
At this point there is no contesting that he was "tapped". Obama's FBI did it, and found nothing. When did Obama know about it? How much was Obama really involved?
Evidence? Or is this just you lying again?
fonewear said: »
How do we know that Obama isn't working for Russia hmm hmm ?
Has anyone even questioned why Russia would want to elect a man to the presidency that plans on expanding the US defense budget by 8-10%?
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
fonewear said: »
How do we know that Obama isn't working for Russia hmm hmm ?
Has anyone even questioned why Russia would want to elect a man to the presidency that plans on expanding the US defense budget by 8-10%?
So Obama is working with Putin...makes sense.
This list has been floating around.
This coupled by Obama spox's non committing denial yesterday, claiming hings that were blatantly false. It's not looking good for the previous administration.
You know it's probably some unspoken rule that presidents just let their successors get on with it. But I mean if Obama is actively trying to sabotage Trump, Trump should throw that tradition out the window.
Quote:
4. October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.
This coupled by Obama spox's non committing denial yesterday, claiming hings that were blatantly false. It's not looking good for the previous administration.
You know it's probably some unspoken rule that presidents just let their successors get on with it. But I mean if Obama is actively trying to sabotage Trump, Trump should throw that tradition out the window.
Oh Breitbart, the same "source" Trump is using. No wonder he is being ridiculed.
So no, no evidence.
So no, no evidence.
I don't know what to believe we got Russia Obama wire taps sounds like we need Judge Judy to decide this one !
That would seem to be the case.
Garuda.Chanti said: »
I need Chanti to say so...then I'll believe it !
I'm glad we have experts here at FFXIAH to get to the bottom of this Russia stuff.
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James Clapper denies any wiretapping
Clapper just went on the morning show and poured cold water on the Trump fabrication. So it wasn't the FBI, CIA, NSA, DEA, or the military. Maybe it was Russia? Maybe it was Obama himself!
Quote:
Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper on Sunday denied any suggestion that Trump Tower communications were wiretapped before the election.
For the part of the national security apparatus that he oversaw, "there was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president, the president-elect at the time, or as a candidate, or against his campaign," Clapper told Chuck Todd in an exclusive interview on Sunday's "Meet The Press."
When Todd asked him whether he could confirm or deny if a FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court Act) order for this existed, Clapper declared, "I can deny it."
Asked again whether there was a FISA Court order to monitor Trump Tower, Clapper said, "Not to my knowledge."
Clapper said that if any wiretap like that occurred, he would "certainly hope" that he would be aware of it.
"I can't speak for other authorized entities in the government or a state or local entity," he added.
Clapper was responding to questions surrounding President Trump's accusation — without evidence — that former President Barack Obama personally ordered wiretap surveillance of Trump Tower before the November election. After tweeting the allegations in the early morning Saturday, Trump and his administration continued to offer no evidence to support the accusation.
For the part of the national security apparatus that he oversaw, "there was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president, the president-elect at the time, or as a candidate, or against his campaign," Clapper told Chuck Todd in an exclusive interview on Sunday's "Meet The Press."
When Todd asked him whether he could confirm or deny if a FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court Act) order for this existed, Clapper declared, "I can deny it."
Asked again whether there was a FISA Court order to monitor Trump Tower, Clapper said, "Not to my knowledge."
Clapper said that if any wiretap like that occurred, he would "certainly hope" that he would be aware of it.
"I can't speak for other authorized entities in the government or a state or local entity," he added.
Clapper was responding to questions surrounding President Trump's accusation — without evidence — that former President Barack Obama personally ordered wiretap surveillance of Trump Tower before the November election. After tweeting the allegations in the early morning Saturday, Trump and his administration continued to offer no evidence to support the accusation.
Clapper just went on the morning show and poured cold water on the Trump fabrication. So it wasn't the FBI, CIA, NSA, DEA, or the military. Maybe it was Russia? Maybe it was Obama himself!
Maybe it was Michelle Obama !
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Checking the news, let's see....
Russia talk, Russia talk, more Russia talk....
No proof of wrongdoing in spite of multiple investigations, implied connections to Russia that have to be backed up with disclaimers that there is no concrete evidence, blowing minor things out of proportion....
Nothing new then. Cool.
Russia talk, Russia talk, more Russia talk....
No proof of wrongdoing in spite of multiple investigations, implied connections to Russia that have to be backed up with disclaimers that there is no concrete evidence, blowing minor things out of proportion....
Nothing new then. Cool.
I found an informer:
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No no vic, Trump WAS tapped as part of a FISA request in October. There was an initial request earlier in the year that was denied.
I mean in order for there to be authorized wiretaps on trump so close to the campaign, I'm assuming the "evidence" probably needed to be pretty damming.
What was it, and how did it summarily amount to nothing afterwards?
I mean in order for there to be authorized wiretaps on trump so close to the campaign, I'm assuming the "evidence" probably needed to be pretty damming.
What was it, and how did it summarily amount to nothing afterwards?
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Brilliant move by trump (as always). This has to shuffle out in two ways.
1) Either there is additional details that implicitly implicate the previous president in police state / banana republic stuff.
OR
2) Everyone has to acknowledge the spying on his that did occur came up with absolutely ZERO evidence in it's presumption that he or anyone in his campaign has any involvement with Russia.
Either way, what did Obama know, and when did he know it?
1) Either there is additional details that implicitly implicate the previous president in police state / banana republic stuff.
OR
2) Everyone has to acknowledge the spying on his that did occur came up with absolutely ZERO evidence in it's presumption that he or anyone in his campaign has any involvement with Russia.
Either way, what did Obama know, and when did he know it?
I'ts hilarious because every other statement has to use one of those ambiguous words like could / might / may / ect. The biased writers word the statements to lead the reader to believe they are hard truths but then use those ambiguous wordings because there is no actual proof of anything.
What we do know is that Obama's administration was using government resources to spy on Trump during the election. If there was anything at all, then they would of put it all over prime time news last year to get Clinton move votes. All they are doing now is going through the collections, which indicate he has business connections in Russia (no *** ***) and then stretching and politicizing it to indicate he's a Russian robot from space.
It's no different then when Obama was elected and the right swore he was a radical Muslim from Kenya who was secretly a Taliban sleeper agent.
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Again, there is no evidence that indicates Trump Tower was wiretapped in October. The DNI just said it didn't happen. There is no credible source that says it did. Trump can show us the warrant, why hasn't he? Because he is lying. And you are running with the lie.
Asura.Saevel said: »
I'ts hilarious because every other statement has to use one of those ambiguous words like could / might / may / ect. The biased writers (from Breitbart) word the statements to lead the reader to believe they are hard truths but then use those ambiguous wordings because there is no actual proof of anything.
Just to be clear, Saevel is talking about you here nausi. And it is hilarious.
The NYT has already established there has been wiretapping on Trump
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=0
Too bad the volume of "cold water" he brought only amounts to a thimble
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=0
Quote:
The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.
Too bad the volume of "cold water" he brought only amounts to a thimble
I suppose he is also talking about Trump.
Viciouss said: »
I suppose he is also talking about Trump.
This might just be the first time you simply don't have enough cognitive dissonance fuel to successfully run your defense mechanism.
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Welcome to the red pill bro!
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
The NYT has already established there has been wiretapping on Trump
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=0
Too bad the volume of "cold water" he brought only amounts to a thimble
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=0
Quote:
The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.
Too bad the volume of "cold water" he brought only amounts to a thimble
So, whose communications were tapped? Was it Trump's people, or the Russians? One needs a warrant, which can be provided by Trump right now, the other doesn't. Whats taking so long?
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