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By Asura.Saevel 2017-01-31 03:31:29
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Sylph.Gobbo said: »
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He doesn't absorb anything, it's a flat full dispel.

This is patently false, we had him steal Souleater and saw him damn near kill himself. What is true though is his Damage Taken and Damage Dealt go rediculously high regardless of what buffs he takes from you and dispelling them doesn't change anything, it's a timed effect.

I've stymied dispel onto him after he nullified our GEO's buffs and got zero effect. Your confusing him with Gorger who can copy Souleater and then proceed to hit your entire party for 20,000 each and slaughter you for 60s.

Blessing Sync = Copy all buffs
Ebullient Nullification = Full dispel of everyone nearby

The intimidate effect only procs if he doesn't nullify enough buffs, it happens along with his damage shield. We know this 100% because our methods involve a PUP tank with a BST, SMN, GEO, COR, RDM and after the GEO lets themselves get nullified our SMN and BST go hog wild. They do so much damage that it can go under 75% within seconds which has it use nullification again but if our GEO hasn't rebuffed and got themselves in range then *BAM* it suddenly takes dramatically reduced damage and gets a crazy 90%+ intimidation effect. Putting Distract III / Dia III / Addle II / ect.. back up after sphere during that was a huge PITA. We worked it down to 51%, had our GEO run in and then pushed it under and after it nullified the GEO's buffs everything was back to normal.

So yeah always make sure someone is in range to get 4~6 buffs wiped, makes the fight much faster.
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By Asura.Sechs 2017-01-31 04:22:08
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I found ~2 buffs to be enough to avoid the intimidation, or at least it was enough for us yesterday.
Small report on our approach in a semi melee strat to FU yesterday.
tl;dr we won! But we've been slow due to some things we have to optimize and some errors made.

Setup:
PLD (aegis)
GEO
BRD
SAM
WHM
SMN

Overall strategy:
Tank aggro pulls from behind, this way no Draw-in and no Ebullient Nullification will happen at 100%.
First 25% has been a bit slow because when he used shield he gained a >80% intimidation rate. Was gone after first Ebullient Nullification at 75% (2 debuffs dispelled on tank) and never happened again from there.
When you get close to the 75-50-25-10 make everybody go out of range and have the SMN chip its HP down until he uses Ebullient Nullification, after that go all out.
Well maybe NOT too all out. We brought it from 75% to 51% in a second and we kinda freaked out there lol XD


Buffs used:
GEO => Frailty/Torpor
BRD => Honor, Minuet, Minuet, Minuet, I forgot which was the 5th song lol. Think it was STR when SV was up, and I swapped to Madrigal after SV went down.
SMN => Hastega2, Warcry, TPbonus

Make so people regroup in the same spot when they have to go over 20 yalms, so the BRD can reapply songs more easily if need be. I was casting generic/mage songs, and then pianissimoed songs on the SAM.
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By Sylph.Braden 2017-01-31 04:47:50
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Blessing Sync = Copy all buffs
Ebullient Nullification = Full dispel of everyone nearby

Aside from the fact that the WS explicitly says "X status effects are drained from <target>", there's also this:

21:21:37 Obihyrax casts Magic Finale. Fu's Refresh effect disappears!
21:22:25 Obihyrax casts Magic Finale. Fu's Prelude effect disappears!
21:24:20 Obihyrax casts Magic Finale. Fu's Barblind effect disappears!
21:24:35 Obihyrax casts Magic Finale. Fu's Enmity Boost effect disappears!
21:24:40 Obihyrax casts Magic Finale. Fu's Protect effect disappears!

And my favorite:
21:49:07 Obihyrax casts Magic Finale. Fu's Avatar's Favor effect disappears!

I mean, if you want to believe he's also putting up his own versions of obscure buffs that our guys had at various points, then you do that.


Asura.Saevel said: »
So yeah always make sure someone is in range to get 4~6 buffs wiped, makes the fight much faster.

Here's several examples of him absorbing 10+ buffs and still intimidating us:

And we see it every single time without fail, so I'm really curious how people are getting around it aside from only using JAs and ranged for damage.
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By Asura.Sechs 2017-01-31 05:10:20
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I can tell you that yesterday during the pull our PLD had no buffs at all (aside from undispellable stuff which shouldn't get "stolen" by Fu regardless).
Not sure if after the pull he put up some buffs, probably.
Fu used his shield move early on, and from that moment he gained a >80% Intimidation Rate. Wasn't 100%, but pretty close. I couldn't land a single spell despite countless attempts.

The intimidation disappeared when he used Ebullient Nullification at 75% and dispelled 2-3 of the Tank's buffs. From that point onwards we never saw a single other Intimidation going, despite us taking very long to bring the guy down (first 25% has been slow, and then our SAM died so we kinda wasted more time, and blahblah, ended up with 3 mins left)
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2017-01-31 08:29:43
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Braden, I think the intimidation can still occur regardless of how many buffs absorbed. What we do know is not absorbing enough buffs does = high intimidation rate. I'm not entirely sure the intimidation is solely tied to the buff absorbs. Its possible that one of his job abilities causes additional effect intimidation, as I have noticed even when he's absorbed a handful of buffs, my GEO still can occasionally get hit with that.

Also, thanks for pointing out the drain portion of Ebullient Nullification.
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By Asura.Sechs 2017-01-31 08:44:04
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
What we do know is not absorbing enough buffs does = high intimidation rate.
I think we need to change this line into "not absorbing any buff at all = high indimidation rate".
Because in our case our tank had ONLY 2 buffs which got dispelled each time, and we NEVER saw indimidation, except from 100% to 75%, and in this case it was procced by the shield he used, and not by Ebullient Nullification.
Au contraire, the indimidation disappeared exactely when he used Ebullient Nullification at 75%, and from then we never saw it anymore.


Maybe the intimidation has multiple sources. One is if he absorbs more than X buffs, and the other is soemthing else related to shield use in certain circumstances.
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By Shiva.Larrymc 2017-01-31 08:46:34
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Blessing Sync = Copy all buffs
Ebullient Nullification = Full dispel of everyone nearby

Fu does copy at least some buffs with Ebullient Nullification.

I go on bst/nin - whenever I put up shadows, Fu now has shadows that must be taken down right after Ebullient Nullification.
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By Bahamut.Tychefm 2017-01-31 08:56:01
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Ya I remember us having to Finale Chaos Roll off his a$$ two runs ago.
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By Asura.Avallon 2017-01-31 09:09:50
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We got an Udug body from Kyou last night (our first body for LS) which makes that 1/100 cumulative runs so far (approximate).

Has anyone seen better (or worse) statistics for body drops?
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2017-01-31 09:37:55
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Asura.Sechs said: »
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What we do know is not absorbing enough buffs does = high intimidation rate.
I think we need to change this line into "not absorbing any buff at all = high indimidation rate".
Because in our case our tank had ONLY 2 buffs which got dispelled each time, and we NEVER saw indimidation, except from 100% to 75%, and in this case it was procced by the shield he used, and not by Ebullient Nullification.
Au contraire, the indimidation disappeared exactely when he used Ebullient Nullification at 75%, and from then we never saw it anymore.


Maybe the intimidation has multiple sources. One is if he absorbs more than X buffs, and the other is soemthing else related to shield use in certain circumstances.

Well, I can attest that I've only seen intimidation proc when a shield is in effect. Has anyone ever experienced intimidation without shield effect? Because this may very well be the reasoning behind the intimidation (not dispelling enough or any "trigger buffs" causes a shield in response).
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By Asura.Sechs 2017-01-31 09:43:48
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Are you hinting that the "gains a certain intimidation % for each buff dispelled" or "gains a high intimidation % if more than X buffs are dispelled" theory was wrong and the source of the intimidation is something else completely, i.e. the shield?
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By Bahamut.Tychefm 2017-01-31 10:40:41
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Has anyone seen better (or worse) statistics for body drops?

Runnin every day since Omen came out. Also 1 drop.
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Asura.Avallon said: »
We got an Udug body from Kyou last night (our first body for LS) which makes that 1/100 cumulative runs so far (approximate).

Has anyone seen better (or worse) statistics for body drops?
~1/15-20 on Fu. 0/6 on Gin and that was even with killing it twice yesterday yay treasure floor with extra run KI
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By Asura.Avallon 2017-01-31 10:46:04
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clearlyamule said: »
Asura.Avallon said: »
We got an Udug body from Kyou last night (our first body for LS) which makes that 1/100 cumulative runs so far (approximate).

Has anyone seen better (or worse) statistics for body drops?
~1/15-20 on Fu. 0/6 on Gin and that was even with killing it twice yesterday yay treasure floor with extra run KI

1 body out of 15 runs... that's.. disgusting!
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2017-01-31 10:46:08
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Bahamut.Tychefm said: »
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Has anyone seen better (or worse) statistics for body drops?

Runnin every day since Omen came out. Also 1 drop.

Running every day since Omen came out. 0 drop.
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By geigei 2017-01-31 10:46:15
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Running daily with a maybe 5 missed, we have 1 body drop.
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By clearlyamule 2017-01-31 10:47:01
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Asura.Avallon said: »
clearlyamule said: »
Asura.Avallon said: »
We got an Udug body from Kyou last night (our first body for LS) which makes that 1/100 cumulative runs so far (approximate).

Has anyone seen better (or worse) statistics for body drops?
~1/15-20 on Fu. 0/6 on Gin and that was even with killing it twice yesterday yay treasure floor with extra run KI

1 body out of 15 runs... that's.. disgusting!
Even better triboxing so no competition. My rng gets what it wants!
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By Asura.Avallon 2017-01-31 10:49:09
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clearlyamule said: »
Asura.Avallon said: »
clearlyamule said: »
Asura.Avallon said: »
We got an Udug body from Kyou last night (our first body for LS) which makes that 1/100 cumulative runs so far (approximate).

Has anyone seen better (or worse) statistics for body drops?
~1/15-20 on Fu. 0/6 on Gin and that was even with killing it twice yesterday yay treasure floor with extra run KI

1 body out of 15 runs... that's.. disgusting!
Even better triboxing so no competition. My rng gets what it wants!

You cleared Fu tri-boxing with 3 trusts?
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By Asura.Sechs 2017-01-31 10:54:56
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Missed, I dunno, 10 runs since Omen release? No body, 2x Treasure Floors (once on 3rd, once on 5th).

Also only 2 Gorgers
4 Cravers
Rest were all Thinkers.
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Asura.Avallon said: »
clearlyamule said: »
Asura.Avallon said: »
clearlyamule said: »
Asura.Avallon said: »
We got an Udug body from Kyou last night (our first body for LS) which makes that 1/100 cumulative runs so far (approximate).

Has anyone seen better (or worse) statistics for body drops?
~1/15-20 on Fu. 0/6 on Gin and that was even with killing it twice yesterday yay treasure floor with extra run KI

1 body out of 15 runs... that's.. disgusting!
Even better triboxing so no competition. My rng gets what it wants!

You cleared Fu tri-boxing with 3 trusts?
Yeah though the trusts didn't really do much since wasn't engaged. Well they provided another target to buff that I could keep in range which actually speeds the fight up a lot.

Pretty easy though take it slowish to 75% while I get everyone that needs real buffs with them and out of range with others in range buffed then when it does ebullient overdrive and rebuff after each ebullient and watch it die to multiple capped dmg multiple step skillchains before overdrive is up... well and sometimes use a dawn as with enough buffs drained it's dmg output can get pretty up there which can be dangerous if he managed to curse an auto. It's quite a ride
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-01-31 11:25:34
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Sylph.Braden said: »
And we see it every single time without fail, so I'm really curious how people are getting around it aside from only using JAs and ranged for damage.

Possible that if he nullifies too many buffs? We've never fed him massive buffs like that. Also curious about the absorption part because like I said I've stymied Dispel (just for laughs) and removed nothing. There could be other mechanics going on but we kill him so fast we never bother for checking smaller things.

Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Well, I can attest that I've only seen intimidation proc when a shield is in effect

Nullification is what procs the shield. If he doesn't jack enough buffs then shield goes up, not only does it give that insane intimidation effect but it can also reduce the damage he takes. It might also be triggered if you feed too many buffs in an attempt to kill him faster.

One GEO with the following is enough to make him take crazy damage without triggering massive intimidate shield.
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Protect II
Shell II
Haste
Refresh
Aquaveil
Phalanx or Stoneskin
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2017-01-31 12:42:00
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Asura.Sechs said: »
Are you hinting that the "gains a certain intimidation % for each buff dispelled" or "gains a high intimidation % if more than X buffs are dispelled" theory was wrong and the source of the intimidation is something else completely, i.e. the shield?

No, I was just asking a question and explaining my personal experience.

Asura.Saevel said: »
One GEO with the following is enough to make him take crazy damage without triggering massive intimidate shield.
Code ?123456Protect IIShell IIHasteRefreshAquaveilPhalanx or Stoneskin

4-6 buffs seems standard. 1-2 may trigger shield. 2-3 has never triggered shield (for me). I've also never seen a shield when 10+ buffs were absorbed, though I turtled the whole time so I wasn't paying attention.
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By Asura.Sechs 2017-01-31 13:05:19
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Nullification is what procs the shield.
It's not the only source.
As I mentioned from my yesterday's experience, he pulled up the shield without Ebullient Nullification, sometimes after the pull and after we engaged, before the 75% mark.
Using Ebullient at that point actually sent away the shield and the intimidation.
Not sure if he used shield again from that point onward, but I can say he never got intimidation buff again for the rest of the fight.

Tank was making him dispel at least 2 of his buffs.
This already seemed to produce quite a nice damage boost, as the SAM brought it from 75% to 51% by "accident" in a second and we kinda freaked out lol
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I've noticed that if you allow enough time pass after nullification was used eventually some if not all it's effects wear off. So you see dmg taken/done go down and sometimes shield go up.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-01-31 19:46:59
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Asura.Sechs said: »
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Nullification is what procs the shield.
It's not the only source.
As I mentioned from my yesterday's experience, he pulled up the shield without Ebullient Nullification, sometimes after the pull and after we engaged, before the 75% mark.
Using Ebullient at that point actually sent away the shield and the intimidation.
Not sure if he used shield again from that point onward, but I can say he never got intimidation buff again for the rest of the fight.

Tank was making him dispel at least 2 of his buffs.
This already seemed to produce quite a nice damage boost, as the SAM brought it from 75% to 51% by "accident" in a second and we kinda freaked out lol

Umm he uses nullification at 100% immediately at pull. It's not like the rest that use at 75 and under.
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clearlyamule said: »
I've noticed that if you allow enough time pass after nullification was used eventually some if not all it's effects wear off. So you see dmg taken/done go down and sometimes shield go up.

Would explain a lot if a group was slow. We destroy him with pets as its our "pet job" run and it never has time for that to happen. Which also brings the question if someone is dispelling him, can he then get that intimidation effect?
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Umm he uses nullification at 100% immediately at pull.
Nope he doesn't.
There is a chance he can, but we don't know the exact details yet.
For instance it happened for us on our first attempt that I mentioned 2 days ago.
We didn't know he could use Ebullient Nullification at pull, so the tank pulled from 20+ yalms with Flash and the result was Draw-in + Ebullient Nullification with 20000000 dispelled buffs and at that point of course it was game over.

Using the method of pulling with the tank aggroing him from behind with autoattack with no buffs up we never saw Ebullient Nullification at start, nor Draw-In of course.
We did two attempts with this method:

First: Tank had absolutely no buff at all. This is when, after a while (at like 92%ish if I recall) the shield and the intimidation went up. I don't know if by then the tank had put some buffs on himself, but he had zero at pull

Second: Tank had 2-3 defensive buffs on himself at pull. No shield/intimidation happened ever throughout the course of the fight.



This might be a coincidence, I'm not claiming I know exactely what's going on, I'm just reporting what happened to us in our last 3 attempts to do Fu in semi-melee style.
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clearlyamule said: »
I've noticed that if you allow enough time pass after nullification was used eventually some if not all it's effects wear off. So you see dmg taken/done go down and sometimes shield go up.
Really? We noticed the opposite.
In our mentioned attempt that procced Draw-in + Ebullient (dispelling a gazilion of buffs) we spent like 15-20 mins wiping and recovering multiple times and managed to bring him down to 77% until we gave up.
He even recovered to 100% with hate completely reset as we recovered on the border of the Arena, and the Intimidation was still there.
I even reported that it doesn't go away even if hate/emity are completely reset and monster regens to 100% (a situation that, for instance, resets the "level up" of targets like Albumen)

Maybe our situation was "special" because he absorbed too many buffs, I can't say, but at least in our situation the Intimidation effect didn't got reduced at all throughout those 15-20 mins of fight.


In our second attempt (Intimidation used shortly after pull) too the intimidation didn't seem to get reduced returns. I was spamming spells nonstop and I couldn't complete casting of even a single one.
The only thing that sent the Intimidation Away was at 75% when he used Ebullient Nullification.


Again, not claiming I know exactely the mechanics of Fu, just reporting what we experienced.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-02-01 02:27:44
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Asura.Sechs said: »
Nope he doesn't
He most certainly does even if your tank isn't in range for it or if it fsils to activate due to range issues.

It's 100/75/50/25/10

We've got him down to a science. GEO runs up to him and he immediately uses nullification and the tank immediately grabs hate, bubbles drop and pets tear him apart. Our biggest issue is too much damage causing the 75 nullification before our GEO has rebuffed and run back in.
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Asura.Sechs said: »
Nope he doesn't
He most certainly does even if your tank isn't in range for it or if it fsils to activate due to range issues.

It's 100/75/50/25/10
I dunno Saevel, it didn't use Ebullient Nullification for us at pull in our last 2 attempts.
Other people reported that over these boards, and BG-Wiki too reports that he "may" use Nullification at 100%, hinting that he may as well do, and that something might proc it whatever it is, but it's not something he does all of the time like the 75-50-25-10 marks.

I'm fine if you don't wanna trust us and I won't do anything to convince you otherwise, but he still didn't use Ebullient Nullification at pull for us on our last two attempts, whatever the reason for that may be.
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