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By Lyramion 2016-12-16 16:22:21
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For cards we all got 3 that run except the one member who was there the first time. She only for 2.

Quoting myself here. So basically the theory at this point is that every mob you kill (fodder/midboss/endboss) gives you a specific amount of Omen points. Completing objectives also adds Omen points.

Once you have enough you get a Card and your Omen points reset and start counting anew. We got Cards after killing Midboss, after killing Bosses at times.


These Omen points will be saved for your next run.
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By Brynach 2016-12-16 16:22:43
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I got Adapa Shield from Thinker. That may not be 100% correct assuming they don't share drops.
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2016-12-16 16:25:12
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Lyramion said: »
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For cards we all got 3 that run except the one member who was there the first time. She only for 2.

Quoting myself here. So basically the theory at this point is that every mob you kill (fodder/midboss/endboss) gives you a specific amount of Omen points. Completing objectives also adds Omen points.

Once you have enough you get a Card and your Omen points reset and start counting anew. We got Cards after killing Midboss, after killing Bosses at times.


These Omen points will be saved for your next run.
This falls in line with my findings as well.
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By Fenrir.Snaps 2016-12-16 16:31:36
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Brynach said: »
I got Adapa Shield from Thinker. That may not be 100% correct assuming they don't share drops.

Thanks for pointing this out. I think their loot table is wrong (seems like an easy mistake to make.)

Also I'm not set on the Omen points theory just yet. Killing the boss and sub boss is also an objective, so you could have received a card for that under the 5 objective theory.
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By Asura.Inuyushi 2016-12-16 16:36:32
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I can confirm Kishar Ring from Gorger. I got one myself from him.

Gorger is super easy as a mage setup. Just have the tank drop shell before engaging. He is dispel-able, but I had to keep Indi-Focus up for it not to be resisted. However, I found dispelling to be a mute point as he spams the buff copy move. I would actually recommend if you go as a melee strat, have someone with warrior keep up Berserk and drop any defense buffs. That way he'll copy the defense down portion.
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Killed Kei today on PLD 2xSCH 2xBLM GEO. Assh*le Bene at 47%. While it wasn't easy at all, it was still easier than Glassy Craver where we almost wiped that run.

Double Drop of +3 material confirmed:



For cards we all got 3 that run except the one member who was there the first time. She only for 2.

EDIT: Also got another drop confirmation on

Glassy Craver: Anu Torque

I can second the double +3 Mat drop. We got two from Gin yesterday. It seems like the second scale shares a slot with the item drop.

Glassy Craver isn't fun, I agree. Was there any type of rhythm to how you did Kei? Were you just doing non-stop SC + MB? Would you pause any at all or just constantly damage him? Did you use a helix? Did you use helix spells at all to make skillchains?

Our group felt like when a helix was on it, that it was regening faster after switching elements.
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By Bahamut.Tychefm 2016-12-16 16:48:44
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Were you just doing non-stop SC + MB?


We just bruteforce nonstop spammed Ice SC+MB which seemed to work for us. We did apply Helix when possible. Can't comment on any feeling of regening slower/faster tho.
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2016-12-16 16:58:25
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Myself and others have observed getting cards for killing regular enemies after the objective window. You definitely want to kill them even if you have the portal ready. The Omen points, or whatever is determining what gives us cards, definitely carry over as well since there's a discrepancy between people based on how many runs they've done thus far.
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By Fenrir.Snaps 2016-12-16 17:07:57
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Sylph.Jeanpaul said: »
Myself and others have observed getting cards for killing regular enemies after the objective window. You definitely want to kill them even if you have the portal ready. The Omen points, or whatever is determining what gives us cards, definitely carry over as well since there's a discrepancy between people based on how many runs they've done thus far.

Alright. I think it would be useful then to try and figure out (assuming this is correct) how many Omen you get for completing objectives and killing trash mobs.
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2016-12-16 17:14:39
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If I could compare it to anything, I'd say it's like Limbus, where you get more for killing NMs and boxes (objectives), while regular enemies would yield a little bit too. Every bit counts though, and it's been the difference between getting 2 to 3 cards per run.
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By Sylph.Shadowlina 2016-12-16 17:59:14
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Also it seems your given omens just for entering,

Everyone in our group got the card on entry, because we've always entered together.
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By Sylph.Braden 2016-12-16 17:59:44
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Some poop about objectives:

- 2000 damage auto-attacks count the entire attack round (including added effects), not just a single hit. This should be easy for any group with at least one decent melee.
- JA and WS that crit can count towards critical hits, but as with any objective you're capped at one per action.
- The 15k non-MB nuke only counts spells, can't use magic WS or JAs. Presumably the 30k MB one is the same and possibly the 18 MBs as well.
- I don't know if basic pet commands like Fight and Deploy count towards JAs, but they'd be the simplest option if they do count. If not, best job for JAs is clearly DNC. Next best should be DRG BST WAR COR SMN or RUN. COR and DRG have options to get extra JAs but 3 of those are 1hr abilities. Best subs that people actually like should be DNC, then WAR or RUN.
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By Lakshmi.Kingofbastok 2016-12-16 18:55:48
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Phoenix.Frankbrodie said: »
I've had the -10% pet damage taken anwig since that add-on was first released.
Still got 2x -11% axes stashed away as well. *edit* Remembered they're 11% not 10%

So you're telling me Skirmish is soloable then? That's not a sarky question btw. Is it soloable?

I've got parts of Taeon and Acro stuff that I've dumped over to mules over the years anyway. So I'm supposed to augment all that gear? Sounds easy so I'll assume straight off that it's anything but lol.

It's not super easy, but armor augments are easier than weapon augments. I've used a lot more stones on weapons for subpar augments than I have for gear augments.

As for doing Skirmish, while some people have soloed it before, I usually tri-box it, but you can probably do it with 2 people if one person is fast enough at soloing mobs and the other person can call helpers fast enough (for Alluvion Yorcia). Without a second person, you would have to use fragments for points and also be fast at killing things and going back to start to call helpers, which seems like too much work for most people (myself included). I would use Sash for the ki because you can use a pet boost once you earn 100 points (this makes your pet a lot stronger).

Rala & Cirdas might be soloable, especially Rala with a Sash. Every time you use ready, the mobs get a terror effect as long as you don't kill the brown butterflies (nms on floors with four nms don't get the terror effect). The terror only lasts a few seconds, but it stacks every time you use a ready move (a bp from smn also works, not sure about pup or drg though).
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Sylph.Braden said: »
I don't know if basic pet commands like Fight and Deploy

Papesse confirmed that assault works for JA (what you use to have an avatar attack). It has a 5s recast now which is the same as a DNC step. If someone is a /DNC though you can do steps and violent flourish thrown in too as it has a 20s recast.
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By Fenrir.Snaps 2016-12-16 19:51:24
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Iskur Gorget comes from Kyou
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By Fenrir.Snaps 2016-12-16 20:00:14
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Also in regards to hybrid weaponskills not counting as both.
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[18:15:02] You have 150 seconds remaining.
18:15:02[18:15:02] 1: Execute 4 skillchains on your foes!
18:15:02[18:15:02] 2: Use 12 physical weapon skills on your foes.
18:15:02[18:15:02] 3: Perform 12 magic bursts on your foes.
18:15:02[18:15:02] 4: Reduce your foe's HP by at least 30000 using a single magic burst.
18:15:02[18:15:02] 5: Restore at least 500 HP 10 times.
18:15:03[18:15:03] Qultada gains the effect of Protect.
18:15:03[18:15:03] Snaps uses Provoke on the Transcended Mantis.
18:15:04[18:15:04] Snaps scores a critical hit!
[18:15:04] The Transcended Mantis takes 357 points of damage.
18:15:04[18:15:04] Apururu starts casting Shellra V.
18:15:04[18:15:04] Montaeg gains the effect of Protect.
18:15:05[18:15:05] Snaps hits the Transcended Mantis for 216 points of damage.
18:15:05[18:15:05] Montaeg casts Stoneskin.
[18:15:05] Montaeg gains the effect of Stoneskin.
18:15:05[18:15:05] Snaps scores a critical hit!
[18:15:05] The Transcended Mantis takes 279 points of damage.
18:15:06[18:15:06] Snaps readies Blade: Teki.
18:15:06[18:15:06] Snaps scores a critical hit!
[18:15:06] The Transcended Mantis takes 437 points of damage.
18:15:06[18:15:06] Asunasan gains the effect of Protect.
18:15:06[18:15:06] 2: You have used 1 physical weapon skill on your foes.


I also wanted to state that objective timers don't start until you aggro a mob on a floor. So take your time buffing, getting trusts out, etc. It will be much easier this way.
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By Asura.Inuyushi 2016-12-16 20:15:58
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Bahamut.Tychefm said: »
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Were you just doing non-stop SC + MB?


We just bruteforce nonstop spammed Ice SC+MB which seemed to work for us. We did apply Helix when possible. Can't comment on any feeling of regening slower/faster tho.

Dang, that just wasn't working for us. I did notice that Kei favors Fire/Wind spikes. I don't recall him doing anything other than those two. So spamming distortion is what we ended up going with because the BLM's could switch the MB depending up his current stance.

Do you think a COR strategy would work with Kei? Wildcard and Last Stand spam? I think we're gonna give it a try just cause, why not? But I'm curious if others would think it would work or not.
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By Odin.Llewelyn 2016-12-16 20:18:53
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Strange how Jinpu didn't give any credit for physical WSs. I vividly remember me saying in Skype "wonder why my WSs aren't giving credit" then someone pointed out it was physical WSs for the floor (not to mention my logs show Jinpu not crediting physical WSs).
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By Fenrir.Snaps 2016-12-16 20:41:04
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Odin.Llewelyn said: »
Strange how Jinpu didn't give any credit for physical WSs. I vividly remember me saying in Skype "wonder why my WSs aren't giving credit" then someone pointed out it was physical WSs for the floor (not to mention my logs show Jinpu not crediting physical WSs).

Yeah. I don't disbelieve you. Maybe it's case by case per weaponskill or some other weird thing.
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By Bahamut.Tychefm 2016-12-16 20:41:41
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I think we're gonna give it a try just cause, why not?

Realy not sure how it will work. Everyone I know has just been mageing it with their precrious 20hr CD.
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By Sylph.Gobbo 2016-12-16 20:51:53
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The chest floors are not always filled with super goodness of free runs. Got only 310 gil when I opened one.

Needless to say I'm not allowed near the chests anymore.
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By Asura.Inuyushi 2016-12-16 21:13:03
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Sylph.Gobbo said: »
The chest floors are not always filled with super goodness of free runs. Got only 310 gil when I opened one.

Needless to say I'm not allowed near the chests anymore.

I feel you on that. We got 309 gil. I'm banned from chests too!
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By Fenrir.Snaps 2016-12-16 21:22:09
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Looked through my logs again. Chi/Teki/To did not count as magical weaponskill for one of our second floor objectives. I'm guessing that it's either hybrid count as physical (unlikely unless Jinpu is actually magical and not a hybrid) or that it's just either on a weaponskill basis. Or maybe there's some other strange system idk.
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By Siren.Kyte 2016-12-16 21:40:48
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Sylph.Gobbo said: »
The chest floors are not always filled with super goodness of free runs. Got only 310 gil when I opened one.

Needless to say I'm not allowed near the chests anymore.

Sometimes they can be filled with drops instead of KIs- we got an Ammurapi shield from one.
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By Cerberus.Ephexis 2016-12-16 21:52:03
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My only findings thus far is that Cerberus is just full of people who can't take direction.

Been experimenting with a few methods last couple days, with varying success. I have a couple regulars, and fill in gaps as and when. Sadly, all I've had is people who want to do their own thing, or in todays case, someone who ran into every single mob on floor one and MPK'd the party off the bat.
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By Sylph.Gobbo 2016-12-16 22:12:34
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Siren.Kyte said: »
Sylph.Gobbo said: »
The chest floors are not always filled with super goodness of free runs. Got only 310 gil when I opened one.

Needless to say I'm not allowed near the chests anymore.

Sometimes they can be filled with drops instead of KIs- we got an Ammurapi shield from one.

Did you get any gil? Or were you only able to open 1? Braden told me they were able to get 3 rewards: an earring, the KI, and gil. I'm wondering if you could keep opening chests until you get gil or something.
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By Odin.Llewelyn 2016-12-16 22:13:56
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It tells you how many you're allowed to open. We had a case where we could open 2 and got Gil and another KI.
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By Sylph.Gobbo 2016-12-16 22:15:29
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Oh I see, I guess we were so pumped we didn't notice that part lol.
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By Asura.Syto 2016-12-16 22:28:15
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Ragnarok.Ejiin said: »
geigei said: »
Also lolsam.

Is SAM's reputation really this bad right now? I knew it wasn't in the meta after coming back, but when given the choice between NIN BLU DRG(wtf?) and SAM, the lol job is SAM? This injustice to SAM can't stand, so I'll let the cat of the bag and risk SAM becoming meta again: AM3 Masa is the best DPS job in the game right now; not even WAR or DRK can compete in WoC/Kouryu zergs. It honestly has been since the AM3 changes to Empy, where even Almace took quite a long time to finally catch on.

AM3 Masa's theoretical maximum DPS is around 6500, whereas AM3 Almace/Sequence BLU is 4900. I have both Almace and Masa, the difference is utterly obvious when comparing the 2 side by side in both DPS sheets and in game play.


Thanks brother for highlighting this. Also, welcome back. ^^
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By Fenrir.Snaps 2016-12-16 22:48:25
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Asura.Syto said: »
Ragnarok.Ejiin said: »
geigei said: »
Also lolsam.

Is SAM's reputation really this bad right now? I knew it wasn't in the meta after coming back, but when given the choice between NIN BLU DRG(wtf?) and SAM, the lol job is SAM? This injustice to SAM can't stand, so I'll let the cat of the bag and risk SAM becoming meta again: AM3 Masa is the best DPS job in the game right now; not even WAR or DRK can compete in WoC/Kouryu zergs. It honestly has been since the AM3 changes to Empy, where even Almace took quite a long time to finally catch on.

AM3 Masa's theoretical maximum DPS is around 6500, whereas AM3 Almace/Sequence BLU is 4900. I have both Almace and Masa, the difference is utterly obvious when comparing the 2 side by side in both DPS sheets and in game play.


Thanks brother for highlighting this..

Unrelated to this topic but I've got WAR DPS at 11k+ with the right gear/buffs. Just goes to show that your mileage may vary with spreadsheets. I don't buy the notion that SAM is some tier above any other job. I don't think it's a bad job that should be laughed at, just the idea that it's the best DPS in the game is hearsay (especially due to a white damage buff.)
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