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fillerbunny9 said: »
it's about damned time that they made some strong grips to compensate for the stat difference of two handers versus dual wielders
I can see where you're coming from this, but I kinda feel dual wielders are getting kicked on the ground as is.
- Lower PDIF cap
- 95% accuracy cap on offhand
- Lower weaponskill damage
- Better TP gain
2 handers already reign supreme for DPS, if anything dual wield needs a buff.
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instead of weapon skill accuracy stat, it raised dex. I guess its tiny boost to anything that can critical beside the acc boost to all ws.
Fenrir.Snaps said: »
fillerbunny9 said: »
it's about damned time that they made some strong grips to compensate for the stat difference of two handers versus dual wielders
I can see where you're coming from this, but I kinda feel dual wielders are getting kicked on the ground as is.
- Lower PDIF cap
- 95% accuracy cap on offhand
- Lower weaponskill damage
- Better TP gain
2 handers already reign supreme for DPS, if anything dual wield needs a buff.
2 handers are capped at 95% accuracy for all swings, and with such a sub par Sub slot, have to work a bit harder to make up that difference. expecting a grip with better stats than 6 Acc/Att/sTP, or Acc +10/Haste 4% isn't exactly asking for the moon, here.
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Bahamut.Tychefm said: »
Added to mainpost picture of the new grip shown from Omen:
HP+70 ACC+30 ATK+30 WS DEX Mod +10%
Lv 99 WAR DRK SAM DRG RUN
HP+70 ACC+30 ATK+30 WS DEX Mod +10%
Lv 99 WAR DRK SAM DRG RUN
Mercy Stroke? lol
It's a grip for WAR/DRK/SAM/DRG/RUN.
It's a grip for WAR/DRK/SAM/DRG/RUN.
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90% of the population (edit: of people on earth) are *** morons... it wouldn't really be much of a loss.
Carbuncle.Rajang said: »
Mercy Stroke? lol
It's a grip for WAR/DRK/SAM/DRG/RUN.
It's a grip for WAR/DRK/SAM/DRG/RUN.
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fillerbunny9 said: »
Fenrir.Snaps said: »
fillerbunny9 said: »
it's about damned time that they made some strong grips to compensate for the stat difference of two handers versus dual wielders
I can see where you're coming from this, but I kinda feel dual wielders are getting kicked on the ground as is.
- Lower PDIF cap
- 95% accuracy cap on offhand
- Lower weaponskill damage
- Better TP gain
2 handers already reign supreme for DPS, if anything dual wield needs a buff.
2 handers are capped at 95% accuracy for all swings, and with such a sub par Sub slot, have to work a bit harder to make up that difference. expecting a grip with better stats than 6 Acc/Att/sTP, or Acc +10/Haste 4% isn't exactly asking for the moon, here.
The big disparity between DW, H2H and 2H is how the weaponskills are constructed. 1H Weapons have a bunch of easily exploitable WS's that can be stacked and geared into obscene damage. 2H and H2H are far more limited, there is Resolution and Stardiver for 2H but Victory and Shijin are both extremely bleh. SE needs to serious rework many of the mods or fTP values for various weapon categories.
Ugh work is going to suck tomorrow.....
Honestly, I just wish that the first hit of 2h (and H2H as well I think?) WSs would cap at 99% Acc like 1h WSs; that's gotta be one of the most infuriating parts about 2h jobs.
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Going to see the rest of the stuff tonight, curious to see if we'll get grips with other WSC+% besides just DEX, also want to see the other accessories they may add since, if the grip is any indication, they're gonna be disgusting.
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CHR WS mods to boost Gate of Tartarus obv
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fillerbunny9 said: »
Fenrir.Snaps said: »
fillerbunny9 said: »
it's about damned time that they made some strong grips to compensate for the stat difference of two handers versus dual wielders
I can see where you're coming from this, but I kinda feel dual wielders are getting kicked on the ground as is.
- Lower PDIF cap
- 95% accuracy cap on offhand
- Lower weaponskill damage
- Better TP gain
2 handers already reign supreme for DPS, if anything dual wield needs a buff.
2 handers are capped at 95% accuracy for all swings, and with such a sub par Sub slot, have to work a bit harder to make up that difference. expecting a grip with better stats than 6 Acc/Att/sTP, or Acc +10/Haste 4% isn't exactly asking for the moon, here.
Sorry for the delayed response. You actually often aren't receiving any additional accuracy or overwhelmingly useful stats from your mainhand or offhand if you have RMEA. I also forgot to mention one of the largest downsides to dual wield - RME aftermath only applies to half of your strikes.
Not saying offhand stats aren't helpful or that they shouldn't add high stat grips, just that the implication of there being some kind of balance issue that favors dual wield is not true.
Also just realized my first post should have stated lower TP gain, not higher.
fillerbunny9 said: »
Leviathan.Celebrindal said: »
If there's something like this coming down the pike in two days from Omen for 2 handers, I shudder to think if some of the possibilities in terms of magic grips. A grip with magic burst bonus and relevant stats could completely turn existing nuke sets on their heads.
not really, we'd see stuff like Mizu. being replaced with... Eddy Necklace? Merlinic Augs for MBD are already pretty common. what WILL be interesting is if we see comparable MAcc and MAB which will help shore up weaknesses of BLMs who are either casting without an Idris GEO, while also loosening up the requirements on Merlinic pieces as a whole. hitting the cap of 40 MBB isn't exactly difficult unless you are rocking HQ Amalric, which is thoroughly unaffordable by the majority of the player base. (we're talking a cost comparable of starting from zero and building an Afterglow mythic on nothing but gil per HQ slot.) it would go a long way to leveling the playing field, but won't be groundbreaking for people already wearing the best gear.
grips and necklaces are not going to do enough on their own to change gearing paradigms, now if we add earrings/rings into the mix too, THEN things will go all wonky.
Was picturing a stuation that frees up a merlinic augment for, say, Occult Acumen instead of MBB.
Earrings- I wouldn't be too surprised to see one. Most sets rock BiS with an earring from Delve era, and many Death sets use an earring from Bahamut. That alone should tell SE it might be time to visit nuking earrings. Barakole is a great first step.
More Magic Burst II for mages ala Amalric Gages and Samhuna(sp?) Coat on a grip would be fantastic, though. An easy addition to existing sets.
I Just wana see Mnk do a 50k chi blast!
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Leviathan.Brotherhood said: »
I Just wana see Mnk do a 50k chi blast!
We must first unlock/exploit the secrets of RAND factor within the formula...
Then MNK will have Kaoken level ChiBlast...
Asura.Syto said: »
Leviathan.Brotherhood said: »
I Just wana see Mnk do a 50k chi blast!
We must first unlock/exploit the secrets of RAND factor within the formula...
Then MNK will have Kaoken level ChiBlast...
The secret is.....pizza!
If anyone remembers that old school massive Boost x15 macro you'll get the reference.
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Bahamut.Tychefm said: »
Added to mainpost picture of the new grip shown from Omen:
HP+70 ACC+30 ATK+30 WS DEX Mod +10%
Lv 99 WAR DRK SAM DRG RUN
HP+70 ACC+30 ATK+30 WS DEX Mod +10%
Lv 99 WAR DRK SAM DRG RUN
Yeah so.. If this is a taste of the "power" that they are referring to with the new accessories then..
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Worth it for what its worth it for.
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Leviathan.Celebrindal said: »
Was picturing a stuation that frees up a merlinic augment for, say, Occult Acumen instead of MBB.
I get what you're saying and that's one way. Of course, that's ignoring the more direct route of just sticking a bunch of Occult Acumen directly on a grip, which has the benefit of avoiding a potentially annoying process of getting new Merlinic augs...
(though to be fair, more sources of burst damage are probably nice for other mage jobs)
Think there will ever some a time when SE change grips to work like the ammo slot in that you don't loose TP due to swaps? Treat grips not so much as an object but rather a hand placement or battle stance of sorts. This would allow for increased versatility in the slot particularly for jobs like RUN or even mages namely BLM+SCH what want to hold TP for MP conversion.
Carbuncle.Xylus said: »
Think there will ever some a time when SE change grips to work like the ammo slot in that you don't loose TP due to swaps? Treat grips not so much as an object but rather a hand placement or battle stance of sorts. This would allow for increased versatility in the slot particularly for jobs like RUN or even mages namely BLM+SCH what want to hold TP for MP conversion.
I would imagine their code is just a generic "if slots x,y, and z change then start TP building over" (meaning main,sub, and ranged). I would seriously doubt that they could easily change the code to recognize "oh! slot y is a grip, not a dual wielded weapon, don't lose TP if player swaps it!"...because the error in the coding would be that dual wielders could all of a sudden change offhand weapons without losing TP. Whoopsie.
Carbuncle.Xylus said: »
Think there will ever some a time when SE change grips to work like the ammo slot in that you don't loose TP due to swaps? Treat grips not so much as an object but rather a hand placement or battle stance of sorts. This would allow for increased versatility in the slot particularly for jobs like RUN or even mages namely BLM+SCH what want to hold TP for MP conversion.
No. Grips were created as a way for 2H to benefit from stats in their sub slot the same way Dual Wielders do. DW folks can't change out their weapons without losing TP and so it's extremely unlikely SE would allow 2H to do that. You can change Ammo because you can run out of it and need to reload.
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