Random Arguments & Strawmen #15

"Don't like my policies? Go out and win an election" -Barrack Obama, to Congress, October 16, 2013.

"You don't like a particular policy or a particular president? Then argue for your position. Go out there and win an election. Push to change it," Obama said. "But don't break it. Don't break what our predecessors spent over two centuries building. That's not being faithful to what this country's about."

All twitter is shitposting. Good day sir !

Maybe that's just my own life experiences subjectively speaking.

What the heck is wrong with this statement:

I know for a fact that Donald J. Trump, Businessman, is going to act different than Donald J. Trump, President of the United States. The responsibility alone will change him.

Maybe it's also my life experiences and education that states that a person is different with power vs. a person without. That's just common sense.

Ramy are you feeling particularly salty today or what?

Ramy are you feeling particularly salty today or what?

I think he is struggling to understand why people can be so politically biased yet claim or give off the appearance of being reasonable and cognitive. I can completely agree with his frustrations. It is one thing to disagree on policy but to to disagree on basic, ethical expectations is another thing.

I think he is struggling to understand why people can be so politically biased yet claim or give off the appearance of being reasonable and cognitive. I can completely agree with his frustrations. It is one thing to disagree on policy but to to disagree on basic, ethical expectations is another thing.

Except he's not giving up his businesses. He's barely pretending to even do so.

The president can launch nukes, given that his Sec. of Defense is in favor of it.

Further more, the President cannot declare war, but they can send troops to fight and then they have a 90 day period were congress has to approve war.


Source: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/executive_power

So you think the president should go on social media and insult everyone who says something against him?

Err...rather, it's more the second half of that*

I'm not trying to insult any one person or even vast swaths of people.

I get the Trump vote. I get the largely silent rural communities coming out in force for someone they perceive as supporting them. That makes complete and utter sense and I even support it.

It's that...Donald Trump?

That was the guy they picked?

I know they're rural, but I grew up rural too, and knew all the crazy, stupid, reprehensible things Trump has done in his life.

This was the horse they put in the race and pushed to the win?

Go back! We *** up!

What the heck is wrong with this statement:

This was the horse they put in the race and pushed to the win?

Except he's not giving up his businesses. He's barely pretending to even do so.

Err...rather, it's more the second half of that*

I'm not trying to insult any one person or even vast swaths of people.

I get the Trump vote. I get the largely silent rural communities coming out in force for someone they perceive as supporting them. That makes complete and utter sense and I even support it.

It's that...Donald Trump?

That was the guy they picked?

I know they're rural, but I grew up rural too, and knew all the crazy, stupid, reprehensible things Trump has done in his life.

This was the horse they put in the race and pushed to the win?

Go back! We *** up!

He sold all of his stocks back in June, well ahead of his campaign.

He used that excuse to, instead of negotiating his policies he want implemented, he instead went around and ruled by fiat (and executive orders, most of which were struck down as unconstitutional).

He's putting spin on it because he really, really hates Obama. Like, a lot.

If I had to guess I'd say his family owns and operates some form of business -- or has significant shares in businesses -- who have taken significant profit hits due to the ACA or other Obama policy.

That's a shot in the dark, though I'd like to think one based on a reasonable guess of where the target is.

SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) — Some conservative Eastern Washington lawmakers want to split the state in two, creating a new state east of the Cascade Range known as "Liberty."

The idea is contained in House Joint Memorial 400, sponsored by Republican state Reps. Matt Shea and Bob McCaslin of Spokane Valley and David Taylor of Moxee.

The Spokesman-Review says the idea of splitting from liberal Western Washington has been proposed numerous times in past decades.

Spokane City Council President Ben Stuckart calls it a terrible idea.

The Legislature can't split the state in half. The bill asks the president and Congress to do that.

Congress hasn't created a new state out of an existing state since the Civil War, when West Virginia wanted to stay with the Union and was carved out of Virginia.

OLYMPIA – One of the oldest ideas conceived by conservative Eastern Washington legislators to tweak their more liberal counterparts is getting some extra attention this week.

Spokane Valley Reps. Matt Shea and Bob McCaslin, along with fellow Republican Rep. David Taylor of Moxee, have proposed splitting Washington in two and renaming the eastern half Liberty.

Liberty, U.S.A.

But House Joint Memorial 4000 has about as much chance of getting through the 2017 Legislature as it did in 2015, 2005, 1991, 1985 … or 1915.

That doesn’t mean the proposal, which is among a few dozen legislative ideas prefiled this week for the upcoming session, isn’t getting under the skin of some opponents. After hearing reports of the proposal to have the Legislature ask incoming President Donald Trump and Congress to create a new state for Eastern Washington, Spokane City Council President Ben Stuckart fumed via news release, “It’s like literally standing up and saying Eastern Washington needs to shoot itself in the foot.”

The Legislature can’t split the state in half by itself. A proposal like HJM 4000 is a way to formally ask the president and Congress to do something, but whether they would do it is up to them. Congress hasn’t created a new state out of an existing state since the Civil War, when West Virginia wanted to stay with the Union and was carved out of Virginia, which had seceded. Other states, including California and Texas, also have movements from time to time to split themselves up. Check the map; they’re still intact.

HJM 4000 is like most of the previous proposals as far as the new state’s boundaries, splitting Washington along the crest of the Cascade Range.

Most previous efforts left the name of the proposed new state up to the imagination of Congress, although a few have suggested Lincoln, Jefferson or Madison.

Legislative proposals to “split the state at the Cascades” date back to at least 1915, when Sen. Richard Hutchinson, another Spokane Republican, introduced a joint memorial. News accounts at the time said the idea was about a half century old, although whether it got as far as a formal joint memorial isn’t clear from those reports.

For much of the state’s history, there has been a rivalry between more rural east and more urban west. In the past 30 years that may have become more pronounced politically as the counties east of the Cascades have voted Republican for president, governor and Congress, while counties to the west have trended Democratic. Because there are more voters on the West Side, the state has had a Democratic governor since 1985, cast its electors for the Democratic presidential nominee since 1988 and sent two Democrats to the U.S. Senate since 2001.

East Side legislators often complain their constituents’ issues get short shrift in Olympia. But most proposals to split the state generate statistics from West Side Democrats that most Eastern Washington counties currently get more in services than they pay in taxes, so a new state would have to tax more, or provide less.

Among the most persistent proponents of separating Eastern Washington into its own state was the late Sen. Bob McCaslin, another Spokane Valley Republican and the father of the current memorial’s co-sponsor. He introduced it several times, and his 1991 proposal so torqued some West Side Democrats that they came up with a snarky counter that might be described as a “go and good riddance” proposal.

It suggested the counties east of the Cascades be declared a territory until they could work up to being a state, declare the state tree the telephone pole, the state fruit the crabapple, the state motto “Well, I’ll be dammed,” and send the university in Pullman to the Big Sky Conference since it couldn’t beat the bigger university on the West Side. (The Cougars actually beat the Huskies four times in the previous 10 games, but lawmakers are rarely sticklers for such details.)

Neither proposal got a hearing, let alone a vote.

The furthest any state-splitting proposal has gone in the past 30 years was Senate Joint Memorial 8002, which was sponsored by the elder McCaslin in 2001. It received a hearing in the Senate Judiciary Committee – where McCaslin was the ranking Republican – and was passed to the full Senate, where it did not come up for a vote.

In 2015, Shea and Taylor proposed the standard joint memorial and joined McCaslin and several other Republicans to propose two different bills. One would have created a task force to split Washington east and west, the other would have created a task force with Oregon to split both states so that the western halves of each would be joined into a single state, and the eastern halves into another state. None got a hearing.

For all the comments and news coverage HJM 4000 has generated, it will likely receive the same fate in the 2017-18 Legislature, where the House has Democrats holding a two-seat majority, just as they did in 2015-16.

I think he was referring to the Trump Organization and how he is just passing the lead to his children.

I think he was referring to the Trump Organization and how he is just passing the lead to his children.

I think he was referring to the Trump Organization and how he is just passing the lead to his children.

Trump hasn't so far stated how he plans to handle his ownership in his Trump Organization, which is where a vast majority of his business interests reside

I think he was referring to the Trump Organization and how he is just passing the lead to his children.

He passed the torch of his main business to his children. He is effectively retired in business now. Now you are saying that he should also cut ties with them too, for "conflict of interest" concerns?

You forgot to say that I'm racist because Obama's black, even though I'm not racist.

His policies are what drives me crazy. Anything less than a 2% GDP growth on an 8 year average for a nation isn't good. He has never even hit a 2% GDP growth...in any quarter...for the entire 8 years (adjusted for inflation and season).

Sorry, but keeping the US down is not advancing anything. At least with Trump, the markets are already signaling strength.

So what? You want him to completely cut ties with his family now?

He passed the torch of his main business to his children. He is effectively retired in business now. Now you are saying that he should also cut ties with them too, for "conflict of interest" concerns?

You forgot to say that I'm racist because Obama's black, even though I'm not racist.