Random Arguments & Strawmen #15

Isn't that what the Republicans stated 8 years ago with Obama?

Never mind that most of their worries came true (and their worries had more to do with how he ran the country than how he ran his life prior to the presidency), but we were told then that we never gave him a chance and that we should wait for him to *** up before we criticize him. Oh, and that we were also racist for hating a black president.

So, I'm just going to repeat what was told of me then: Wait until he *** up before you criticize him. Oh, and you are racist for hating an orange president.

Yea except Obama wasn't shitposting on twitter.

No, he was shitposting directly in Congress, telling everyone that he is awesome, that he won the presidency, and that we should all bow to him.

KN, I really can't tell if you don't see the difference or are just trolling. (Rav too, with all your passive-aggressive thumbs upping!)

Because clearly you're missing my point or ignoring it to discuss your own narrative/grievances.

I'm not talking a single lick of his policies or w/e. I get those, even if I don't support them, and I get voting for his policies.

I'm talking about the person. The conceited, entitled, money-grubbing, abusive, bullying, pompous windbag who has abused our legal system for over forty years.

Why am I the only person (around here, at least) who seems to remember who and what Donald Trump has been for all these years prior to 2014?

I can tolerate his policies from a civil discourse standpoint. Though I'll fight many of them tooth and nail as well as I'm able because I think they're wrong.

But as a person? Well, until his recent dipping of his toes into the GOP pool, he's been, publically at least, largely more Democrat than Republican and rubbed elbows with the Clintons.

That should set off more red flags for you than anybody, shouldn't it? That he was so close with the Clintons for so long is indicative of his being massively untrustworthy...at least, if we can gauge by what so many of the Trumpers say about everyone else around Clinton.

Do you have any quotes?

This, this, and so much this. When Obama first got into office my thoughts were, "He's probably going to disappoint us all, but I could be wrong. I'll give him a chance." They weren't, "HOLY CRAP. Look at how his supporters worship him! He's going to declare martial law and hold onto power forever! This country is DOOOOOOOOOOOMED!"

At least give Trump until freaking February to declare him a failure, since I know people can't wait longer than that.

Try going outside your bubble we aren't all bad just 99% of us are !

You have significant perceptual disturbances and it greatly concerns me. I truly wonder sometimes precisely through what lens you view the world. I take you at your word on the things you say about yourself. I know others have called it into question, but I accept them as factual because frankly, I've always found that lying about yourself online reflects more poorly on the person telling tales than it does anyone believing them, because it's the internet and it doesn't *** matter.

That said, assuming all you've said about yourself is true, I truly wonder at the environment in which you were raised and educated to have these feelings on things.

If any GOP presence did the things Obama did for his or her own issues, you'd laud them as standing up for what's right in the face of resistance. But since Obama has done it, he's "shoved things down your throat and insisted you bow before him."

It's. Not. About. His. Policies.

Not really... their side won so it's just pretty much switched now... it doesn't really matter who he is or what he represents... he has the Republican next to his name now... it would have been the same if Hillary had won as they would have attacked and others would have defended her regardless of what was done... the torch has been passed after 8 years and those who were on offense are now on defense... I am a bit surprised how fervently KN defends him sometimes as he quite publicly announced his vote did not go to Trump...

I see your point, because I had the exact same point and anger 8 years ago today.

It's almost scary to be honest. I was angry that a man was elected who, based by his rhetoric, would ultimately destroy the nation and the world as we know it (at the time). And you know what? I wasn't far off in my predictions.

You are basically stating the same thing I stated years ago about Obama. So, I told you exactly what I was told at the time....

It doesn't matter what he is like as a person to be honest. As long as he doesn't launch nukes at China (which he can't) or declare war on Russia (which he can't), and he is very limited on domestic policies (you can thank the Constitution for that).

To be honest, he can't really do more damage than what Obama has already done. But at least he can do some good for the nation as a strong leader.

It doesn't matter what people think of him as a person, it's how he is as a president. Which we don't know because he hasn't been sworn in yet, and yet he is already working like a president should.....

My bubble is as much for the protection of others as myself.

No one should come into direct physical contact with my thoughts for any great length of time. They're maddening and quite possibly carcinogenic.

I'm glad this is the internet cause I would never talk to most of you in real life hell I'd never come within a 20 mile radius of you !

Outside of all that I'm sure you are wonderful people.

Alpha male bro, his supporters see him as capable and eager to fight for them.

Okay, this is the only thing addressing what I'm saying, and this is where we disagree.

I believe it entirely matters. Maybe that's just my own life experiences subjectively speaking. I've not written that off as a possibility.

But the man is a worthless bully.

The simple fact that people can't see how we voted for Trump...is precisely why we voted for Trump.

There's there mistake.

He's capable of fighting for himself. Which may benefit others in his tax bracket and create a sense of faux-camaraderie, but Trump is about as capable of fighting for the middle and working class as Clinton.

Which is to say, not the *** at all.

Here's this fallacy again.

I do see why.

We're beyond that.

See, this is my problem with this statement. I've spent a lot of time defending Trump, because I personally think a lot of attacks on him have been unjust and I personally believe that he isn't that terrible of a person. He knows how to game the media, and he is smart(despite contrary belief). He knows how to strive off of conflict and clearly that won him the election. There are tons of great stories of him being an amazing person but also a ton of stories about him being an unethical business man. I would've voted for Trump, instead of Hillary if voting was mandatory. But there is a point in time when his ***needs to stop and he needs to start making choices that reflect his views. We already judge his actions now and we can also judge him by his cabinet nominations.

Also, I always chuckle at the concept of "alpha" males because it's an entirely misunderstood concept.

Well we disagree on that. Trump understands the problems of ge country. He had a huge campaign platform. The things he wants to do will benefit most every American.

"Don't like my policies? Go out and win an election" -Barrack Obama, to Congress, October 16, 2013.

Well, this is one of those situations where there's no down side to me being wrong, so I hope I am.

Bro, he ran against the Clintons. There is NO way to win against the Clinton machine unless you are as filthy and as disgusting as the Clintons.

People always point to Jeb or kashick as if they wouldn't have had he same stream of mistresses coming out or the endless parade of sexual misconduct. Either of them else would have tapped out back in august and commited to the Washington generals role the Clinton's and the media wanted them to be.

So what's your point you just want to *** about Trump ?

The president can launch nukes, given that his Sec. of Defense is in favor of it.

Further more, the President cannot declare war, but they can send troops to fight and then they have a 90 day period were congress has to approve war.


Source: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/executive_power



So you think the president should go on social media and insult everyone who says something against him?

All twitter is shitposting. Good day sir !

If you are so concerned about Trump on twitter there is a novel way to solve it...don't read his Twitter !