November 2016 Version Update

Eh, it's not that great for PUP either.

The pet Macc is very strong, and may well be BiS for automaton nukes. That may be the best use of the set for PUP. But pet nukes are still going to be super niche in any case, so this is hardly a huge deal.

From a hybrid master/pet melee set perspective, it's kinda disappointing. Even more so in an update that improves H2H, likely making it far more beneficial overall to focus more heavily on master focused stats (aside from using a small number of pieces to cap pet haste). As for the mix of pet stats, accuracy is often not that huge of a concern for puppets anyway thanks to attachment versatility - so the pet DD stats that would have been much more interesting would be stuff like multiattack, store TP, etc.

Piece by piece from a PUP perspective:
Head: Decent pet Store TP option, but nothing mind blowing.

Body: Not bad. Actually rather solid from the master perspective, despite the lack of attack. But using as hybrid gear forces you to give up one of the better pieces of automaton melee gear (Pitre+1 body, with Pet: Acc/Racc+21 and Stp+13). Probably the one armor slot where PUP was least in need of a good and easy to obtain hybrid option, so it woulda been nice to see the piece with strong master acc/TA and pet DD stats show up in any of the other 4 slots...

Hands: High crit rate initially makes you think of the possibility of being good Stringing Pummel/Victory Smite gear... until you see the weak STR. Can safely stick to Ryuo/Herculean.

Legs: Nothing special, maybe adequate DT gear for pet tanking but no better than a sidegrade or stepping stone to previously existing Taeon/Rao options. Personally, I'd rather use either Taeon (my DT-4% is paired with Regen/Meva) or even NQ Rao for higher HP. Also, high acc on pet tanking gear is often a BAD thing, since the puppet gets TP faster and becomes more likely to screw up important SCs (say, SCH BLM setups).

Feet: Odd piece, potentially nice for certain hybrid setups looking at capping pet equipment haste without one of the existing 10% pieces (Ohtas or Ambuscade capes, most likely paired with 8% on Klouskap Sash). I might actually end up using this with Kenkonken, or non-Kenkonken PUPs could free up cape slot for a 100% master-focused back (say, DEX Acc/Atk DA). Specific use cases though.

Many months ago they changed the ratio at which DEX and STR convert to Acc and Att for one handed weapons and H2H.
It used to be 2:1 for 1H/H2H and 4:3 for 2H.

The changes they made:
DEX>Acc is now 4:3 for all weapon types and all slots (Main, Sub)
STR>Att is now 4:3 for 2H and 1H (Mainhand)
STR>Att is now a different value (can't remember) for H2H
I assume this value didn't change for H2H since there's no mention of it in the patch notes.


qRatio caps at 3.25 (normal) and 4.25 (crits) for 1H/H2H, whereas 3.75/4.75 for 2H.
If Saevel's assumption is correct now H2H falls in the second category as well.

Supposing this is right a fully buffed MNK or PUP will now deal roughly ~15% more damage than they did before.
Which is... nice? But I'm afraid nowhere close to what was needed for MNK and PUP. Realistically what they needed to change was about WS damage, white damage alone (while relatively relevant in the current metagame) was already okaish.


The buff to Smite is gonna affect a lot of jobs, not just MNK and PUP. It's gonna affect everyone who subs /WAR or /DRK as well.
Overall I think we can say it makes att buff stacking a bit less necessary to reach the cap. So in many situations you can avoid a Fury or a Chaos roll, or you can avoid Bolster maybe, and still reach the cap.
Furthermore this makes Minuets slightly more relevant since their value is static and added before the % bonus from other buffs, Smite included.

tl;dr
Things got slightly better for H2H users but we're still nowhere close to where things should be?


Someone feel free to correct me please.

BTW, I'm already a little salty at the prospect of PUP getting on this pet set at the expense of potentially getting left off the "light DD" set. I guess if the H2H changes are strong enough, there's potentially some logic in not continuing to give PUP access to basically all of the same gear MNK gets (while also having a puppet that is now EASILY capable of more than making up for MNK's native JAs/traits). But it still brings me back to the bad old days of PUP getting excluded from DD gear and crammed onto garbage mage sets...

Considering S-E said they had 10 months of sets planned out, and we had the first 5 sets with Salvage models, it seems like this round might end up doing some sort of split of the light DD/ranged jobs from the original Denali/Homam sets. Tali'ah also shows that they aren't necessarily against completely changing the set of jobs from those that were on the old sets with same model.

1) Flamma: WAR PLD DRK SAM DRG (Heavy DD set)
2) Tali'ah: BST SMN PUP (Pet job set)
?) Goliard model? (mage set?): WHM BLM RDM BRD SCH GEO

And some mix of the 8 remaining "light DD"/ranged jobs (MNK THF NIN RNG BLU COR DNC RUN) across the Denali and Homam model sets? Will be interesting to see the breakdown. THF/RNG/NIN/COR is a pairing we've seen, so maybe stick them on the Denali-looking set? But that would leave a pretty odd mix of MNK/BLU/DNC/RUN for the other. I'm curious, at least...

Maybe they will create a set just for THF RNG COR NIN BLU RUN DNC MNK ?

They still have 2 sets for non-mages (Homam and Denali models).

drk isn't on lionheart

And RUN/DRK with Lionheart gets better :>

drk isn't on lionheart

True, was sorta hoping we would get : DA+ TA+ QA+ on same body 119 with ACC+ ATK+ >< but ya........ doubt it now

/drk is probably a better sub for lots of DD"s now when your pdif isn't capped.

THF, dnc, sam, drg, all benefit more from /drk than /war or /sam now I think

That's..super cool imo. 2h are no longer locked behind /sam only!

On Ambuscade? Unfortunately we will never get something on the league of Thaumas Coat in an event anyone can easily do.

That'd only be the case if they're using 2H weapons since Smite onyl affects 2H.

@Saevel
How does Last Resort and Desperate Blows work when you're /DRK?

/drk is probably a better sub for lots of DD"s now when your pdif isn't capped.

THF, dnc, sam, drg, all benefit more from /drk than /war or /sam now I think

That's..super cool imo. 2h are no longer locked behind /sam only!

It's pretty annoying when people jump to conclusions when they don't even know what the change is.

when they are not capping pdif to even measure the changes

I don't play monk and I'm not even subbed right now, but I can tell you for sure they added a hidden tail swing for mithra and galka.

Byrth already measured, went from 3,25/4,25crit to 3,5/4,5crit.
It's a <10% DPS increase?

On the other hand it kind of bothers me people are using the same tp set for MNK as BLU

I think he means RUN subbing DRK.

DRK gets Smite II at Lv35 whereas WAR gets the same at Lv65.

Smite II: +14.8% Attack Bonus.
Last Resort: +25% Attack Bonus & 15% JA Haste.

+39.8% Attack Bonus blows Berserk from sub WAR out of the water. DRK sub also gives more STR. It also gets a pretty reliable Stun in the form of Weapon Bash.

DRK is probably a RUN's best sub for DD'ing now.