Low On Voidstones, How To Increase Stock?

News flash. Game has always been pay to win. Less than 10 comments in someone suggested they could farm 2500 in a day, running 12 characters. That's more of a system of having more accounts and more chances for drops, and less about an individual person benefitting from having more stones. You're still ignoring the fact that VW restoral is archaic. You went from saying HMP price would tank, then demoted it to "during campaigns". How is that different from any other RMEA material in the game?

Can word it any way you like, the price tank is only as temporary as the price tank of every other campaign item, including HPBs, Rift/beit/plutons. The price fixes itself back one week after the campaign. Not quite the doomsday scenario you're drumming up right now.

And if you're worried about people shitting out empys on a daily basis...the fact they are running 6+ characters is more of a bonus for their completion speed than the stone restoral (x6 the drops). The stone accrual improvement would hardly improve their speed any much more than it already is. But I'm not sure why that even bothers you. Their ability to poop out an empy would not matter much anyways to the economy, if they are actually using those mats on their own character. So I'm not sure which one is it, the fact that people can poop out an empy, crash the economy for all of 2 weeks (crash is a hyperbole in this sense) or both.

Not my argument at all. You're just making stuff up. We're talking about the system of stones.

Also, no idea how you seriously correlate an influx of empy weapons to the notion that SE will implement new, harder content based on the fact that everybody has an empy (this is a myth, SE doesn't review the playerbase and determine which weapons they have and then create content accordingly).

In other words, if there's 5% of people owning empy blu, and your blu doesnt have empy, you are only surpassed by 5% of people on that DD spot in pt or LS.

If there's 50% of people owning empy and you don't have one, you are surpassed by 50% of population for that DD spot.

This is the reason why more Empys = better for everyone.

So you recognized game is pay to win AND advocate even more pay to win with an unlimited stone system?

You argue that price tank is temporary, 3 weeks is enough for people to ***one empy after another. Don't even need a permanent price tank.

Again, I think your entire argument is based on "price tank is great because everyone gets cheap empy" and ignored other issues. IMO you are making this entire argument based on the fact that you think it's better if more people makes more empy, which I disagree with.

No it isn't and I explained why. You only think that way because you want one, or is in the process of farming one. Your argument is entirely based on what benefits you, but it doesn't benefit those without one and doesn't want to farm one. It pretty much force everyone to farm one instead.

What makes you think SE doesn't consider amount of people owning REMA when creating content? T4 difficulty is clearly created based on the fact that top group has Idris geo, even SE admitted that the content at that lv is designed for top buffed groups.

Find any part of my commentary where I stated I wanted more empys for all. You just went from A to Z on that comment.

People make money, people make weapons, everybody is happy. You don't care about the economy as much as you say you do, because the economy is good for everyone right now, campaign or not.

So you extrapolated a handful of fights and jumped to the conclusion that future mid tier fights (mid tier...!!??) will cater to the 119 AG BLU almoace crowd.

SE has always had harder fights, period. You get better gear for that, its been in the game since it existed. I'm confused what your argument is now: too many empys makes harder mobs or too many relics makes easier content....or worse economy.. I don't follow you anymore. Still dreaming up scenarios.

Fine, I'll explain in detail. There are very hard fights, there are semi hard fights, there are easy fights. That's how this game works from what I've seen. So there's content with right difficult level for every level of player.

So say assuming SE is designing content for 2017 release, the hardest content is for top 10% of player, 2nd hardest content is for top 50% of player, 3rd hardest content is for top 75% of player and the easiest content is for last 25% of player.

If 5% people has empy and you don't, SE will balance the content difficult with such fact. Thus your none empy BLU can still do the 2nd hardest content, 3rd hardest content and the easiest content. You're only being locked out of 1 content and still able to do 3/4 of them.

If Se design content based on the fact that 50% of ppl has empy, they'll just make the 2nd hardest content very difficult for groups without REMA DDs. Thus your none empy BLU is locked out in 2/4 of content, and kinda need to make an empy to participate something harder.

so people farming vw for money and weapons means I want weapons for all. I was just stating a fact.

You're right. I am in the process of making a REMA. Because I need one. Yes, need.

Whether it'd be Aegis, Burtgang, or Almace, REMAs are not considered luxuries as they once were pre-Adoulin. We're at the point where they are necessities.

Yep. Just a scenario. No proof this is the plan. just an assumption.

Except SE doesn't make content based on "the top 10% of players". How does SE dictate players in the top 10%? Based by how good their gear is? SE doesn't have some magical list with who has REMAs. Unless they come to FFXIAH and count those who do.

Let's say SE has this list of players with REMAs. Do they make new content on total subscriptions with or without REMAs? Are they taking into account that maybe Quetzalcoatl has a ratio of 1:10 people with REMAs and Asura has a ratio of 1:4?

Here's a VERY recent example as to why SE doesn't make content based on people with REMAs. The Frog Ambuscade. Read up the forums on this site or on BG. Players who were decked out with REMAs couldn't figure out how the *** to kill that Frog. Melee burn didn't work, UNTIL we found out that the tank should kite so that Q.Hammer wouldn't go off.

SE makes new contents with gimmicks in mind. Not by "Oh, let's make something where REMA is a *** requirement."

And yes, I totally agree that a lot of time REMA is necessary these days.

Which I don't think it's a good direction at all.

My argument is that those weapon should go back to their luxuries status, instead of becoming the necessity to play the job. More ppl having these weapon= the weapon is even more of necessity which is just bad.

Instant Gratification? VW is a 5% drop, nothing instant about it. Mythics aren't instant. Relics aren't instant. Ergon, Empy, Aeonic. not instant. It take sa considerable amount of time to farm up an empy, and then Afterglow it (who are you kidding, this is a process that takes a lot of time).

While in real world everyone and their mother finish empy and aeonic extremely fast and everytime there's a campaign going currency price drop.

So what's the problem here? You've just proved every argument against yours.

So if everyone and their mother has an empy or aeonic, then I guess that scenario of the top 10% of players with weapons goes right out the window, right?

You're talking yourself into circles and it's not getting better for ya bud.

Byrth pointed out I think earlier this year when he "math'd it out," I spent about 4,500 stones doing it. That's six years worth of stones, think about that for a minute. Running back and forth to town every six fights isn't practical, you'd have to be completely out of touch to think so.

Relics were made far easier to farm up.

Mythics were made far easier to farm up.

Empyreans and Ergon weapons are still locked behind outdated systems that were conceived at a time when the game's population was significantly higher than it is now and the player base was actively engaged in that content. I don' think anyone's asking for full time campaign conditions here, but farming HMP, Riftcinder/dross and HP Bayld isn't very appealing to anyone and it's about time that content was updated to reflect the times. I farmed up all the HMP and Riftcinder needed for Almace during a campaign and like Byrth pointed out I think earlier this year when he "math'd it out," I spent about 4,500 stones doing it. That's six years worth of stones, think about that for a minute. Running back and forth to town every six fights isn't practical, you'd have to be completely out of touch to think so.

You don't see everyone on your server walking around with stage III relics and mythics, so I don't know why you'd think 50% of the pop would start walking around with completed empyreans should VW be made more accessible.

But you and Buukkis argument was basically "can we have easier empy plz because I just don't want to farm these anymore"

I spent about 4,500 stones doing it. That's six years worth of stones, think about that for a minute.

No... none of us could grasp your main point.

It needs reiterating: the topic is we hate waiting for Voidstones because: