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Building new PC - Win7 or Win10
By fractalvoid 2016-09-11 20:40:14
I got the i7 and a 1060 strix, once my 144hz monitor came in and fixed the screen tearing that was driving me nuts, xi running fine.
I got the i7 bc I sometimes mess around in blender and also bought this crap to do things in there and also in ableton and FLstudio, not gaming only.
I got win7 pro and am super happy with it. There's not tons of *** preinstalled and the dark-mode themes are much, much better and don't involve doing crazy ***to regedit.
Also I forgot a PSU so picked up some random EVGA. Doesn't matter but everything running gr8 so far. Super nice going from laptop to this.
Phoenix.Keido
Serveur: Phoenix
Game: FFXI
Posts: 122
By Phoenix.Keido 2016-09-12 12:04:57
Just do a little looking into all the privacy concerns of Windows 10 and you will see that no one should ever use it. Every single thing you do is sent to Microsoft, 3rd party companies and the government. If you go in and change the settings, the next time Windows 10 updates it resets all of your privacy settings and there is no telling Win 10 that you don't want to do an update.
Not quite true. Set the windows update service to manual and no more automatic updates. Set your FW to block appropriate traffic and no more sending things to M$.
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By Jetackuu 2016-09-18 09:54:13
Just do a little looking into all the privacy concerns of Windows 10 and you will see that no one should ever use it. Every single thing you do is sent to Microsoft, 3rd party companies and the government. If you go in and change the settings, the next time Windows 10 updates it resets all of your privacy settings and there is no telling Win 10 that you don't want to do an update.
Not quite true. Set the windows update service to manual and no more automatic updates. Set your FW to block appropriate traffic and no more sending things to M$. That's how my Win10's been set up since day one, never had any automatic update or privacy problems, runs like a dream. The ones primarily having those problems usually turn out to be the ones that don't know how to do the advanced settings to get it to work.
Novel concept I'm aware, but maybe just maybe people shouldn't have to jump through hoops to achieve it. I'll go back to my pipedreams.
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By Jetackuu 2016-09-18 09:55:20
Just do a little looking into all the privacy concerns of Windows 10 and you will see that no one should ever use it. Every single thing you do is sent to Microsoft, 3rd party companies and the government. If you go in and change the settings, the next time Windows 10 updates it resets all of your privacy settings and there is no telling Win 10 that you don't want to do an update.
Not quite true. Set the windows update service to manual and no more automatic updates. Set your FW to block appropriate traffic and no more sending things to M$. Side note: not an option for those with Home.
Ragnarok.Slyshen
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Game: FFXI
Posts: 917
By Ragnarok.Slyshen 2016-09-18 11:09:07
7, seriously.
Bismarck.Phaded
Serveur: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
By Bismarck.Phaded 2016-09-18 16:21:19
Just do a little looking into all the privacy concerns of Windows 10 and you will see that no one should ever use it. Every single thing you do is sent to Microsoft, 3rd party companies and the government. If you go in and change the settings, the next time Windows 10 updates it resets all of your privacy settings and there is no telling Win 10 that you don't want to do an update.
Not quite true. Set the windows update service to manual and no more automatic updates. Set your FW to block appropriate traffic and no more sending things to M$. Side note: not an option for those with Home.
Unfounded/parroted statements like this need to die. Do you use an IOS device? Then you have given Apple rights to know where you are at all times with its location services. Do you use Android? Then Google is collecting the same data. Try turning any of those privacy invasive services off and see how crippled your devices get. Seriously open your eyes to what the entire industry is doing, MS isn't suddenly doing anything new they are just catching up.
There are always options, this has been available for a long time now. It's all still very unnecessary but if you are the paranoid type, have at it. Windows 7 isn't as "private" with your information/searches/telemetry as you would think either.
This program destroys spying on Windows 7/8/8.1/10
* Disable\Enable Windows Update
* Remove spying apps
* Disable Windows Defender
* Blocking IP addresses
* Removing METRO applications
* Open source
* Add to hosts spying domains!
* Support Windows 7/8/8.1/10 or Server 2008-2012 R2
* Remove Office 2016 telemetry!
By Jetackuu 2016-09-18 16:27:22
I said updates, and using third party utilities I don't consider "options" sorry. It's cool that you're fine with the direction things are heading, don't expect everyone else to be as well. Edit: GDI did I just defend Skjalf?
Bismarck.Phaded
Serveur: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
By Bismarck.Phaded 2016-09-18 16:44:53
That "third party utility" is nothing more than a collection of registry hacks and edits to the hosts file that anyone could do for themselves with proper research and the command prompt/regedit. The only reason it exists is out of convenience; it doesn't make it any less of an option, just a glorified .bat file.
The main topic at hand here isn't automatic updates, its that there are users that fear monger themselves into believing MS is 'spying' on your everyday tasks through constant updates in Win10 and only 10, which isn't true. Quite of few of these updates have been backported to 7 under different names. Do you own a smart device? If you do you've already accepted the direction things are headed. MS is just arriving late to the party. If users are going to moan about MS may as well include Google and Apple as well, they are all doing the same thing.
Brb going to unplug my refrigerator, I don't trust it being "always on".
By Jetackuu 2016-09-18 17:05:29
I'm well aware of how it achieves those functions.
Matter of opinion, on just about everything there. You do what you do, that's your business.
Bismarck.Phaded
Serveur: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
By Bismarck.Phaded 2016-09-18 17:14:44
It's not opinion, its a fact that these same functions exist in 7. "MS Spytasks" aren't exclusive to just their newest OS, and users telling anyone to avoid 10 because they exist there is nonsense, as they exist in all updated versions of Windows.
Q) Are you planning on running older hardware? Is 32 bit compatibility an issue? Are you running older Direct X games? Are you planning on using older devices with outdated drivers? Are you fine with Win7 being out of main stream support?
A) Stick with 7.
Q) Are you going to run current/future games in 4k with the latest version of Dx/Ogl/etc? Are all your programs primarily made in the last few years? Is future compatibility and expandability a concern? Is the hardware you are buying/using Win10 compliant?
A) Go with 10.
Those would be proper responses. MS spying on what you are doing shouldn't even be mentioned, yet there's tons of that crap in the thread. Turning off the ability to download security patches to maintain privacy makes no sense when you can achieve the same thing with the host file, while still maintaining an up to date OS. You're purposely keeping security holes open just so MS can't provide better searches/can't get crash error reports from you (thereby preventing more fixes). Sound advice/solid logic.
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By Jetackuu 2016-09-18 17:37:18
Bismarck.Phaded
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Game: FFXI
By Bismarck.Phaded 2016-09-18 17:44:06
No, that's just the last resort of someone that failed to push their opinion as fact. Same as the users that were parroting "Stay on XP, 7 sucks" until they also lost update support and were forced to upgrade. Which are the same as those that also parroted "XP sucks stay on Win2k". Try re-reading the thread topic, and yes there are options for Home.
The human condition of resisting change needs to also die.
By Jetackuu 2016-09-18 17:46:46
Not at all, but as you keep wanting to invoke the straw man fallacy, we're done here. Again with spouting off *** opinions.
/bye
Bismarck.Phaded
Serveur: Bismarck
Game: FFXI
By Bismarck.Phaded 2016-09-18 17:52:21
Not straw man at all, my original quote encompasses an answer than includes more than just your comment.
MS is using 10 as a tool for big brother to keep an eye on you? Stupid.
Add specific IP addresses to block MS's "Spying" via firewall? Sure.
Not being any options to set updates to manual to prevent (spying) from resetting again (on Home)? (As you suggested) Stupid.
Saying options aren't valid because its (3rd party) not built in? Ignorant
Patch it right the first time to prevent (spying) from happening at all (if that's a concern). Security/System updates exist for a reason, to patch security flaws/improve stability. Options exist to turn off those updates as well, regardless of version. It's not jumping through hoops.
Not at all, but as you keep wanting to invoke the straw man fallacy, we're done here. Again with spouting off *** opinions.
/bye
You'll post again in a few hours and try to reassert that this is somehow a personal attack against your thoughts while failing to stick to the original OP topic. Spy tasks and updates and anything else that's been brought up so far (no one said it was by you, you just keep replying out of stupidity) has been meaningless and short sighted. To remind everyone the topic is about a NEW BUILD not UPGRADING outdated garbage. Everyone's personal experiences while upgrading and crap opinions that's been read off the web holds no value in this discussion.
You've only had one reply that even answers the OP somewhat and it starts off with "there's a good bit wrong... I'd stick to 7" which has no explanation following what you "think" is wrong with the OS. Is it because of a failed upgrade on older hardware? Was it during an install of brand new complaint hardware? Is it because of spy tasks and "big brother" like everyone else is spewing? Is it because there's been some drastic change to the interface like there was with 8 and the removal of the start menu? Is it because of incompatibilities with Windower + other software and your hardware on 10? What exactly is wrong with 10 on a new build??? Try harder.
They've changed a few menu's but the majority of the OS still remains the same. Anything that's "missed" can be easily regedited back. Damn changes, I know. Everyone will either get over it or adjust. The worst thing anyone can do is give up and just toss ***out the window because they can't get things to work and/or blame Microsoft.
After SEVERAL OS changes from 95/98/NT/2k/XP/Vista/7/8 and now 10 the only complaint that commonly comes up is "boo hoo I have to redo all my settings" or "why must things change." Grow up, that kind of mentality is what keeps true OS innovation from happening. Driver incompatibilities always occur and its not MS's problem to fix, its up to the manufacturers to update their products or users to come up with your own solutions.
Phoenix.Keido
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Game: FFXI
Posts: 122
By Phoenix.Keido 2016-09-18 19:45:38
Side note: not an option for those with Home.
Wow home users cant control their Services? I did not know that. There is a nifty lil tool by spybot that will take care of about 75% of the junk. Of course there is a lot to do and I hear you and agree with all your privacy concerns.
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Game: FFXI
Posts: 2020
By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-09-18 20:00:17
It's not opinion, its a fact that these same functions exist in 7. "MS Spytasks" aren't exclusive to just their newest OS, and users telling anyone to avoid 10 because they exist there is nonsense, as they exist in all updated versions of Windows.
Q) Are you planning on running older hardware? Is 32 bit compatibility an issue? Are you running older Direct X games? Are you planning on using older devices with outdated drivers? Are you fine with Win7 being out of main stream support?
A) Stick with 7.
Q) Are you going to run current/future games in 4k with the latest version of Dx/Ogl/etc? Are all your programs primarily made in the last few years? Is future compatibility and expandability a concern? Is the hardware you are buying/using Win10 compliant?
A) Go with 10.
Those would be proper responses. MS spying on what you are doing shouldn't even be mentioned, yet there's tons of that crap in the thread. Turning off the ability to download security patches to maintain privacy makes no sense when you can achieve the same thing with the host file, while still maintaining an up to date OS. You're purposely keeping security holes open just so MS can't provide better searches/can't get crash error reports from you (thereby preventing more fixes). Sound advice/solid logic.
Phaded very well stated in your options regarding either. If i was the original poster i would go with windows 10 to keep up to date with whatever your interested in gaming or whatever. only thing that sucks about windows 7 having no support.
also pro tip if you're worried about Big Brother. They can't hack paper and pen, you can burn it and blow the ashes in the wind or downstream if near water.
By Jetackuu 2016-09-19 07:29:13
Side note: not an option for those with Home.
Wow home users cant control their Services? I did not know that. There is a nifty lil tool by spybot that will take care of about 75% of the junk. Of course there is a lot to do and I hear you and agree with all your privacy concerns.
I was referencing the option to disable automatic updates and only that option. I personally don't have any privacy concerns, I never asserted as much, I don't know where the idea came from.
My complaint is solely with the lack of control, one shouldn't have to utilize GPO and other methods to turn off automatic updates just so one can install them when they damn well please and not in the middle of playing games, etc. *side note, if you're on wireless you can set your connection to metered, but who likes wireless?
By fractalvoid 2016-09-19 07:44:45
People straight trippin over this thread lol.
I got win7 and won't be upgrading til it's necessary, I've had no problems with win7 and basically have everything set up how I'd like with no issues, meanwhile, if I had gotten 10, I'm sure I'd still be messing with things trying to find a good way to have things set up to my liking.
By Jetackuu 2016-09-19 12:20:46
Not straw man at all, my original quote encompasses an answer than includes more than just your comment.
Yet it is a strawman.
Quote: MS is using 10 as a tool for big brother to keep an eye on you? Stupid.
Another strawman, but agreed.
Quote: Add specific IP addresses to block MS's "Spying" via firewall? Sure.
Sure?
Quote: Not being any options to set updates to manual to prevent (spying) from resetting again (on Home)? (As you suggested) Stupid. Again opinion, and another half strawman, see below
Quote: Saying options aren't valid because its (3rd party) not built in? Ignorant Again, opinion, and a severely ignorant one at that.
Quote: Patch it right the first time to prevent (spying) from happening at all (if that's a concern). Security/System updates exist for a reason, to patch security flaws/improve stability. Options exist to turn off those updates as well, regardless of version. It's not jumping through hoops. Sure, but only if it's a concern. Except that for many people turning off the updates isn't an option (and even for those that it is, it's a pain in the *** to achieve without third party applications which is outright asinine) and that's been my entire point, I never mentioned anything about privacy, I don't know where you got the idea from. Either you have an issue with me or you just quite literally can't read, either way get over it.
People straight trippin over this thread lol.
I got win7 and won't be upgrading til it's necessary, I've had no problems with win7 and basically have everything set up how I'd like with no issues, meanwhile, if I had gotten 10, I'm sure I'd still be messing with things trying to find a good way to have things set up to my liking.
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(I spent awhile modifying my surface and I still never got it to where I could enjoy using it, decided to hawk it.)
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Game: FFXI
Posts: 113
By Asura.Alucardr 2016-09-20 16:11:40
Win 7 till it can't be used anymore. Pretty much what i did with WinXP.
Am building a new computer, having some issues on my laptop rn that's running windows10 and I keep getting random bs crashes and it seems to be isolated to the machine, even after multiple reinstalls of windows.
Was planning on building new PC and am ready to pull the trigger, but don't want to experience same bs crashing issue on a new, expensive rig.
I'd shell out the extra money for 7 or 8 if it meant stability over 10.
Anyone with insight or advice on this?
Here is the build if it matters.
Thanks
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