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By Sylph.Shadowlina 2016-07-15 17:07:36
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Also Sky News are live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y60wDzZt8yg

and BBC are also covering but unreliably
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By Sylph.Shadowlina 2016-07-15 17:10:30
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They just shot people on the bridge. D:
Oh No!
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By Sylph.Shadowlina 2016-07-15 17:23:56
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Police and Military are fighting eachother in Turkey.... this is getting very very messy
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-07-15 17:36:46
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Speaking of Turkey and Russia, didn't they just kiss and make up?
Yep. Turkey all of a sudden went all sorry about the plane thing making a complete 180 on their previous stance.

This is why Putin will be on top of this to "save" them!
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By Seha 2016-07-15 17:41:04
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So Germany denied asylum to Erdogan, which is pretty big imo.

He's trying in London now.
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By Sylph.Shadowlina 2016-07-15 17:42:44
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It's a huge mess theres rumors he is still in turkey though.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-07-15 18:37:51
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And...it failed.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-07-15 19:06:50
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There is still reports coming in after the statement that it has been repelled, explosions, shock bombs, downing of a military helicopter, injured parliament members retreating to a bunker and Erdogan is airborne and circling Turkish airspace.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2016-07-15 19:42:43
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
And...it failed.
Good. The region doesn't need more chaos.

These earlier "reports" about Erdogan looking for asylum in Europe..were they confirmed by the respective parties (e.g. Germans)? They sounded like rumors, for obvious purposes.

Kudos to the Turkish people for taking to the streets and denouncing the coup attempt.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-07-15 22:51:29
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Ragnarok.Zeig said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
And...it failed.
Good. The region doesn't need more chaos....
But it needs less Erdogan.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2016-07-15 23:37:41
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Ragnarok.Zeig said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
And...it failed.
Good. The region doesn't need more chaos....
But it needs less Erdogan.
Not through a coup, and that's beside the point anyways.
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By Blazed1979 2016-07-15 23:41:36
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terrible terrible underestimation of Erdogan... If you've been to Turkey and spent any time talking to the people you knew this coup was doomed. The guy is as popular as ever.

The working blue and white collar class adore him. He has made a lot of people very rich, the country's economy has never been so strong.
The mainstream Muslims of the world that make up 95% consider him God-sent.

The poor consider him almost like a messiah.

This coup will last a day.

This is the death of the ultra-secular military commanders and generals that remained.. they've basically thrown themselves into the mouth of the lion. Erdogan couldn't have wished for a better opportunity to permanently dismantle Attaturk's Military Turkey.
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By Blazed1979 2016-07-15 23:45:48
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
But it needs less Erdogan.

Why? His people want him.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-07-16 01:53:10
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A violent, chaotic night in Turkey ended with at least 60 people dead following an attempted coup, officials said, and President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's reappearance after hours of uncertainty.
While it was unclear whether Erdogan had quashed the uprising, the government was slowly reasserting its authority Saturday morning.

At least 754 people were arrested in the attempted coup, state-run Anadolu agency reported, citing the interior ministry. More than 30 senior army officers have been suspended.
At least 42 people -- mostly police officers -- were killed in Ankara in a gunfire exchange with a helicopter near the parliament complex, Turkey's NTV reported, citing the attorney general's office. At least 1,000 people in Istanbul and Ankara were hospitalized after a night of violence rocked the country.

In Istanbul, a defiant Erdogan addressed crowds in the city, telling them that the coup had been quashed.
"The government is in control," he told supporters as they chanted his name.
"Fifty percent of the people elected the President and that President is on duty," he said.
"My brothers, I want you to know this: Those who brought these tanks out -- what happened to these tanks? My people took these tanks back, haven't they? So far as we believe, so far as we're alive, we'll be prepared to die in the cause to tackle these people. But we will stand firm, we're not going to compromise."
The alleged plotters have not released any statement.

Shortly after dawn, video footage showed soldiers surrendering in masses. They walked away from tanks and abandoned their posts on the Bosphorus Bridge, which connects the European and Asian sides of Istanbul.
Turkish Airlines resumed flights out of Ataturk, which had earlier been overrun by protesters.
Opposition soldiers had attempted to seize control overnight in various locations across the country, including the capital Ankara.
Erdogan traveled overnight from the seaside resort of Marmaris and addressed the country Saturday from Istanbul's Ataturk airport. He called the attempt "treason."

Erdogan took the forces he apparently suspects of masterminding the coup to task.
"Now I'm addressing those in Pennsylvania," he said, in an apparent reference to Fethullah Gulen, a cleric and former ally who lives in exile in Pennsylvania.
"The betrayal you have shown to this nation and to this community, that's enough. If you have the courage, come back to your country. If you can. You will not have the means to turn this country into a mess from where you are."
In a statement, Gulen denied any connection to the coup attempt and said he condemned it "in the strongest terms."

Witness Katherine Cohen, an American who's staying in an Istanbul hotel, said she heard a loud explosion at sunrise, and gunfire and jets all through the night.
For much of the night, fighter jets flew low over Istanbul while armored vehicles streamed across a main bridge in the city. Gunshots rang out on Bosphorus Bridge, sending pro-government protesters down to the ground.
In Ankara, gunfire rang overnight as jets circled above.
"When I stuck my head out, I could see helicopters shooting," said Diego Cupolo, a photojournalist in Ankara.
He said he could see tracer rounds zip through the air.
Bombs were thrown at the parliament building in Ankara. A helicopter the government says was stolen by coup plotters was shot down by an F-16.

The United States, United Kingdom and other nations are watching the crisis intently to see what will happen in Turkey -- a member of the NATO Western military alliance, and home to air bases used in the fight against ISIS in Iraq and neighboring Syria.

Tens of thousands of protesters took to the street after Erdogan's call to confront the military was broadcast on television.
Many waved Turkish flags and chanted their support for the President. Some climbed on tanks and blocked the path of military vehicles with their cars. But some soldiers got hugs from apparent supporters.
Ömer Çelik, Turkey's EU negotiator, tweeted images that he said showed some of the damage at the Turkish Parliament:
"Our country has been subjected to treacherous enemy attack, which displays betrayal to the nation, their uniforms and morals. The necessary response has been shown to the enemy and it is still being shown," he said.

A fighter jet shot down a helicopter that had been commandeered by "coup plotters," a Turkish presidential source told CNN.
The Turkish military claim of a takeover was read by an anchor on state broadcaster TRT. She said the military imposed martial law.

The statement was made on behalf of the "Peace in the Nation" council, the announcer said. "The political administration that has lost all legitimacy has been forced to withdraw," the anchor said. Later, after the military was kicked out, she said she was forced to read the military statement. "We were taken over. I was forced by men with arms and they told us that they would not harm us if we did as told."
When the coup began, soldiers blocked two bridges in Istanbul between the European and Asian sides.

Earlier, Prime Minister Binali Yildirim vowed the coup attempt would not succeed.
The coup is "an attempt against democracy and the will of the people. Those who attempted this will pay the heaviest price," he told state media.
Turkey's currency plunges amid military coup attempt
As the protests began, there were 200 to 300 residents in Taksim Square in Istanbul. Many waved Turkish flags. About 100 police officers were shooting off tear gas, trying to disperse the crowd.

Erdogan was elected Prime Minister in 2003. Under his rule, Turkey became a powerhouse in the Middle East. His reign came to an end in 2014, and his own party's rules prevented him from seeking a fourth term.
He ran for President -- and won. Before this, the President of Turkey was a largely ceremonial role, but Erdogan tried to change that by altering the constitution to give him more power.
Under Erdogan, who is extremely conservative, religion had started to play a more important role in Turkey, which is a largely secular country. He was active in Islamist circles in the 1970s and 1980s.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-07-16 03:22:21
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Many (BBC, Fox etc) are saying 90 dead now (or more)

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Al Jazeera News ‏@AJENews 1h1 hour ago

The death toll in #Turkey coup attempt has risen to 90 - state-run news agency
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ABC News ‏@ABC 56m56 minutes ago

JUST IN: Death toll rises to 90 from 60 following attempted coup in Turkey; 1,100-plus wounded, says state-run media

All citing their state-run news agency
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-07-16 05:47:10
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Revolutionaries take notes.

As you see total internet blackout from Turkey. Governments can turn the internet off nation wide to stop communication via internet.

This does not stop radio's or other low tech communication to further advance taking back your governments
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Siren.Lordgrim said: »
This does not stop radio's or other low tech communication to further advance taking back your governments

Sure, good luck winning against tanks, drones, missiles, helicopters etc
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-07-16 06:09:24
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CNN updated to

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At least 161 people died and another 1,440 people were injured across the country.

AP is saying 194

NY Times:
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Death toll in Turkey rises to at least 265. Security forces detain 2,639 military personnel.

Swedish news is also saying 265

WSJ 194

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Turkey: Coup violence death toll now at 265, including 161 civilians and police. Remaining are coup plotters, officials say.


Daily Sabah: LATEST - Pro-coup group at Gölcük Naval Base has taken over frigate, head of Turkish fleet taken hostage, Greek mil. source says
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Bismarck.Dracondria said: »
Siren.Lordgrim said: »
This does not stop radio's or other low tech communication to further advance taking back your governments

Sure, good luck winning against tanks, drones, missiles, helicopters etc

i don't believe in luck but as you can see in Turkey it was the portions of the military that started the coup that had access to tanks, drones, fighter jets, helicopters and used some. I am sure this would of been a different story if they recruited community organizers like obama and armed them to assist.
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By Sylph.Shadowlina 2016-07-16 06:50:26
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Bismarck.Dracondria said: »
CNN updated to

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At least 161 people died and another 1,440 people were injured across the country.

AP is saying 194

NY Times:
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Death toll in Turkey rises to at least 265. Security forces detain 2,639 military personnel.

Swedish news is also saying 265

WSJ 194

Washington Post
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Turkey: Coup violence death toll now at 265, including 161 civilians and police. Remaining are coup plotters, officials say.


Daily Sabah: LATEST - Pro-coup group at Gölcük Naval Base has taken over frigate, head of Turkish fleet taken hostage, Greek mil. source says

BBC is also reporting 161
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-07-16 06:55:42
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The name of the game of Coups is capturing the government leaders or executing them. Normally bounties are set on individuals and warrants for arrest.

There has been a ton of coups practicing Democracy throughout history. I agree with the founders of the United States who detested Democracy.

Democracy as a form of government is a tragedy that only leads nations to endless usurpations of the representation of the few wealthy and wanton bloodshed of mostly the poor for foreign wars - Lordgrim

If you want less Wars, and no more World Wars and no more Central Banks devaluing your currency and destroying your economy and Accountability for reckless Corporations . You should study a Constitutional Republic and seek to form it.

Because Democracy produces more Wars, and more World Wars, and more Central Banks devaluing your currency and destroying your economy and has ZERO accountability for reckless corporations. Your just around the next turn for a coup to reform your government.
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Bismarck.Dracondria said: »

Oh...my...God.

I don't think I can handle this.
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My picture, hoooooooo!
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-07-16 12:40:38
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I guess the US Congress recessed yesterday until September, no, they didn't pass any bills. They did try to defund Planned Parenthood again for no reason.
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2016-07-16 12:46:36
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Bismarck.Dracondria said: »
Siren.Lordgrim said: »
This does not stop radio's or other low tech communication to further advance taking back your governments

Sure, good luck winning against tanks, drones, missiles, helicopters etc


They don't need to win. They just need to stall and waste their opponent's time, money, and resources.

Think about the amount of resources The U.S. and even Russia at one point wasted in Afghanistan.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-07-16 13:32:39
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Bismarck.Dracondria said: »
Siren.Lordgrim said: »
This does not stop radio's or other low tech communication to further advance taking back your governments
Sure, good luck winning against tanks, drones, missiles, helicopters etc
I'll just dust off the old mimeograph machine and spin out a batch of pamphlets. That'll stop them pesky tanks, drones, missiles, and helicopters. That is if I can still find ink and stencils.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-07-16 14:10:09
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »
Siren.Lordgrim said: »
This does not stop radio's or other low tech communication to further advance taking back your governments
Sure, good luck winning against tanks, drones, missiles, helicopters etc
I'll just dust off the old mimeograph machine and spin out a batch of pamphlets. That'll stop them pesky tanks, drones, missiles, and helicopters. That is if I can still find ink and stencils.

Smart thinking chanti propaganda of any form is effective for informing the masses. Many nations governments have fallen to peaceful revolutions in ousting treasonous representatives.
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »
Siren.Lordgrim said: »
This does not stop radio's or other low tech communication to further advance taking back your governments
Sure, good luck winning against tanks, drones, missiles, helicopters etc
I'll just dust off the old mimeograph machine and spin out a batch of pamphlets. That'll stop them pesky tanks, drones, missiles, and helicopters. That is if I can still find ink and stencils.
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These...might help.
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