Random Politics & Religion #07

Like poverty due to a broken economy system that doesn't actually work the way you're told it does?

Bingo! It jump starts the cognitive dissonance .

I have a silly question that maybe you guys can explain to me.

Why doesnt the US ever do one of those referendum things? For example with gun control, politicians tiptoe around it because it is political suicide to support it. Why not just put it on us? Have a nationwide vote like they did in fish and chips land for brexit. Is that something our govt just isn't set up to allow?

Seems to be allowed on a state level, in states that have it allowed.

*steps over to the right for a second* Because the general public is easily manipulated by the media. Hence Brexit. I think there should be some limitations, let's not arm the insane for example, but to undermine the 2nd amendment is a step towards undoing the Constitution. That's why politicians tip toe around it; there is no easy solution, just limitations.

It's kinda like those people who become addicted to plastic surgery; you start with your nose, then your cheeks, then your wrinkles... it's just a slippery slope that starts with banning high cap magazines, then assault rifles, then raising prices of ammo...then there are those who fear this could continue to full civilian disarmament.

*over to the left* There should be gun control, meaning background checks and such. Seriously, I filled out a form and walked out with my latest toy in under 5 minutes.

The biggest point I'm trying to make is that there is no easy fix, nothing about it is black and white. There's no right answer. Why? Because too much control means undermining the Constitution and killing off jobs of those who make firearms, not enough control means...well, look at Dallas, Orlando, and various other tragic events.

I kinda rambled on but I hope a point is made somewhere in there.

Is this serious?

Talk about "trolling".

Ehh. Ahem.

Yeah but aman is serious. You can't call him a troll if he really believes it.

Who made up that rule?

What I really hate is that the left has painted this situation as a "race war" or about race when it's not remotely about race. It's about Police, all Police of all Colors, protecting their own and enabling abuse to go unchecked. Police kill white people all the damn time, Police brutally kill white people unjustly all the damn time, but nothing is spoken about it.

80 year old man shot in his bed, he is white

http://www.policestateusa.com/2013/police-kill-80-year-old-man-in-his-bed-after-claiming-his-house-smelled-like-meth/


Police Officer who shot him lied about what happened, his fellow Police Officers covered his *** and confirmed his lie, the audio recordings proved they were lying. I can sit here all day long and bring up all these cases of police officers shooting white people, but because it doesn't fit the racist agenda the liberal media won't report on it.


This isn't about race, it's about Police having unchecked power and only being answerable to themselves. It's about their culture of backing each other up, even to the point of lying and planting evidence to maintain that Blue Wall of Silence. Until this is addressed and fixed this situation is going to continue getting more and more out of hand. More and more citizens are going to radicalize and take it upon themselves to "fix" the problem, which is going to lead to more and more bloodshed. This ***'s just starting, expect it to get much worse.

The police issue is a different facet, and we're definitely on the same page there, but don't pretend that whites face the same risk when interacting with police that blacks and latinos do.

The face the exact same risk.

The difference is white people know when to not challenge their oppressors while Blacks and Latino's got some sort of chip on their shoulder. When the *** CoP starts giving you ***the only proper answers are "yes sir", "no sir" and "I apologize sir but my legal counsel has advised me against that". You don't talk back you don't, you don't try to defend your pride, you just deal with their *** and move on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

As much as that's Comedy it's pretty *** accurate. Right now Police have unaccountable power and trying to challenge them directly is a very bad idea.

To prove he can sometimes make sense?

WHAT??? You too?

The world turned upside down....

Actually it started in the Nixon administration.

But it rose to full flower in the Clinton years.

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Wow lol. Although overt bigotry is preferable to the covert variety.

In my country the cops grease perps of any size, race, or sex. The usualy report next is the person was warned 8 times before attacking, and was killed by an officer who has gone 5-15 years without ever un-holstering their gun. The national response to this is "case closed" and everyone goes back to eating dinner.

I will also say that having lived in America as well, the police there are most definitely different to interact with than in other countries. I would compare most of the police I met through the late 2000's as being similar to the Mexican police I met in the early 90's.

I believe the different reactions to the examples I have provided are that Americans simply do not trust their police, and I felt that way when I was still living there. A lot of cops are actively discouraged from connecting to the community, and are encouraged to program themselves with less empathy. To me it always felt like when I was around an American cop I should behave the same way I would if I was around a gang member. I had to adjust the way I spoke, the way I moved, and if engaged at all I had to really watch myself and not disagree about even casual conversation. That isn't how someone should feel around their protectors, is it?

In Australia I see motorcycle cops pull over to ask kids about their day and let them check out their bike and such, they ask how things are around the neighborhood and make small talk. There's a police station every 3 miles in the suburbs of Brisbane and walk-ins are encouraged. The police also act way more cordial and professional, in fact, becoming one is difficult, and they prefer to recruited people already into their early or mid twenties with "life experience".

New Zealand, UK, Netherlands, and Norway were very similar in my experience, though my contact with them was minimal. America has a lot of trust issues with its police, which I think are very founded, at the same time there's a lot of culture there that treats them with little respect, necessitating them to behave this way. I feel for them, but its often abundantly clear they need a change of program.

This is because American Police have been militarized and fighting the "War on Drugs" has become more important then maintaining domestic peace. Since fighting a "War on Drugs" involves directly engaging armed gang members, Police Officers are taught to view everybody they see as a potentially armed and dangerous criminals. Once that happens you get a "Us vs Them" situation where citizens become more afraid of the police then the criminals.

A decade ago I would agree with this, and its definitely a part of the problem. My international experiences now lead me to believe its biased, its not the entire solution. Other countries are able to enforce laws against drugs and trafficking without that level of spillout. Its definitely part of the issue, but there is more to it.

It feels to me like everything is handled the same way in Australia for example, except that the criminals are less often armed and the police have more freedom to enter and search places. And no, I don't think Australia's gun control methods would work in the US, since Mexico shares a land border with it. Australia is a unique situation. I can't speak for the EU locations, I am not experienced enough.

I know this is a fairly remote theory, but when I think about the difference I am also reminded of other differences I see. I think US police have to thoroughly justify a lot that they do, I think there's a cycle of mistrust for them that pre-exists the current social one. There's so much I could theorize on these matters, but I believe the US legal system and the way it handles both criminal and law enforcement are also a large contributor to the difficulties.

they got more militarized after the north hollywood bank shooting too iirc

I would think one of the biggest shifts would have to be the "war on terror", when PD's across the country were given funding and told to use it or lose it. Then they let them buy military surplus equipment to outfit their officers and departments.

Yep with each event they shifted more and more into an Urban Pacification mentality. The "War on Drugs" were just what started the whole thing.