Random Politics & Religion #07

So punishing "Evil Rich People" is more important to protecting innocent people's lives?

You need to make a distinction right now because that determines whether you deserve to live in the USA or not

Careful Ramy, depending on your answer Saevel might deport you!

So punishing "Evil Rich People" is more important to protecting innocent people's lives?

What I'm saying is ensuring that the rich and powerful don't abuse their accusers is equally as important as defending them from potentially false accusations.

There is no such choice to make. Every person is either innocent or culprit, there is no need to chose between any number of combos.

This is the logic that's used to justify any and every atrocity.

You assumed you knew the truth before it was discovered. You knew they were guilty, before any fair trial, and decided to treat them as such. It's the unwarranted belief that you are all knowing, all seeing and utterly incapable of being wrong that is dangerous.

I neither said nor implied any of this nonsense you're attributing to me.

J.C. Saevel, show some maturity for once.

Unfortunately the mere accusation is sufficient to damage a persons reputation and absolutely nothing said or demonstrated will clear it. This is why I believe any accusation should be under the strictest of anonymity until after a trial verdict. Anyone who makes a public accusation without making a police report should also face severe criminal charges unless the accuser makes a public apology with a public retraction and statement that they lied.

That ***is permanently damaging, the rest of their life they have that attached to them and it will be used against them.

Perhaps not a bad idea, but I think you'd see as many defendants -- especially in the case of someone like Donald Trump -- who would seek to publicize it themselves and go on the attack. "The right to face your accuser" is important, but it also makes it that much easier for those with power, money, and influence to get away with things.

This is why your all sorts of wrong

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This is discussing the treatment of the accused BEFORE a fair trial and thus before their guilty can be determined.

What's wrong is you pretending someone can get a fair trial when accusing someone with money and influence.

Ramyrez would rather "Evil Rich People" be convicted, even if it entails destroying an innocent persons life.

Lying again. Anyone with the very simple skill of backreading can tell.

Perhaps not a bad idea, but I think you'd see as many defendants -- especially in the case of someone like Donald Trump -- who would seek to publicize it themselves and go on the attack. "The right to face your accuser" is important, but it also makes it that much easier for those with power, money, and influence to get away with things.

Ramy and Sehe are both more concerned with convicting "Evil Rich People" and are worried such protections would prevent that from happening. They would rather allow an innocent person to be punished then a Guilty "Evil Rich Person" to get away.

I never said anything even remotely close to this. Hell I haven't even commented other than saying that the "chose between 100 guilty and 1 innocent" is a bs rethoric.


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A new report claims that China is still engaged in the widespread and systematic harvesting of organs from prisoners, and says that people whose views conflict with the ruling Chinese Communist Party are being murdered for their organs.
The report -- by former Canadian lawmaker David Kilgour, human rights lawyer David Matas, and journalist Ethan Gutmann -- collates publicly reported figures from hospitals across China to show what they claim is a massive discrepancy between official figures for the number of transplants carried out throughout the country.
They blame the Chinese government, the Communist Party, the health system, doctors and hospitals for being complicit.
"The (Communist Party) says the total number of legal transplants is about 10,000 per year. But we can easily surpass the official Chinese figure just by looking at the two or three biggest hospitals," Matas said in a statement.
The report estimates that 60,000 to 100,000 organs are transplanted each year in Chinese hospitals.

According to the report, that gap is made up of executed prisoners, many of them prisoners of conscience locked up for their religious or political beliefs. China does not report its total number of executions, which it regards as a secret.
The report's findings stand in stark contrast to Beijing's claim that, since the beginning of 2015, China has moved from almost completely relying on organs from prisoners to the "largest voluntary organ donation system in Asia."

prosecuting

The accuser is NEVER on trial. It's the accused who is on trial.

The accuser is merely a witness, the state is the one prosecuting the trial.

This is the ***I'm talking about, you guys have zero *** idea.