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IS uses Mustard Gas in Iraq
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By Odin.Godofgods 2016-02-15 11:45:13
Quote: Samples confirm Islamic State used mustard gas in Iraq -diplomat
Islamic State militants attacked Kurdish forces in Iraq with mustard gas last year, in the first known use of chemical weapons in Iraq since the fall of Saddam Hussein, a diplomat said, after tests by the global chemical arms watchdog.
A source at the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) confirmed that laboratory tests had come back positive for the sulphur mustard, after around 35 Kurdish troops were sickened on the battlefield last August.
The OPCW will not identify who used the chemical agent. But the diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity because the findings have not yet been released, said the result confirmed that chemical weapons had been used by Islamic State fighters.
The samples were taken after the soldiers became ill during fighting against Islamic State militants southwest of Erbil, capital of Iraq's autonomous Kurdish region.
The OPCW already concluded in October that mustard gas was used last year in neighbouring Syria. Islamic State has declared a "caliphate" in territory it controls in both Iraq and Syria and does not recognise the frontier.
The matter is expected to be raised at the next meeting of the OPCW's 41-member Executive Council in a month, an official said.
If Islamic State used chemical weapons, experts are still uncertain of how the group might have obtained them, or whether it could have access to more.
Another diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Syria's stockpile was a possible source of the sulphur mustard used in Iraq. That would mean Damascus had failed to fully disclose its chemical weapons programme, which was dismantled under international supervision in 2013-2014, the diplomat said.
"If Syria has indeed given up its chemical weapons to the international community, it is only the part that has been declared to the OPCW and the declaration was obviously incomplete," the diplomat told Reuters.
Syrian officials could not immediately be reached for comment but have previously denied any part of the country's former stockpile remains undestroyed.
Syria agreed to give up its chemical weapons stockpile after hundreds of people died in an attack with Sarin nerve gas in a Damascus suburb in 2013. Western countries blame that attack on the government of President Bashar al-Assad, which denies it.
Iraq's chemical arsenal, part of a "weapons of mass destruction" programme used to justify the U.S.-British invasion of 2003, proved to have been destroyed and dismantled in the Saddam era, although U.S. troops occasionally encountered old Saddam-era chemical munitions during the 2003-2011 occupation.
Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, a specialist in biological and chemical warfare, said Islamic State fighters may have developed their own chemical weapons capability, and could be preparing to use it again.
"I'm pretty convinced that the mustard IS are using in Iraq is made by them in Mosul," he said, referring to the main city in northern Iraq, which Islamic State fighters have occupied since 2014. "They have all the precursors at hand from the oil industry and all the experts at hand to do it."
Sulphur mustard is a Class 1 chemical agent, which means it has very few uses outside chemical warfare. Used with lethal effectiveness in World War One, it causes severe delayed burns to the eyes, skin and respiratory tract. (Reporting by Anthony Deutsch; editing by Peter Graff)
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2016-02-15 13:13:17
the assad regime, the fsa, and the jihadi groups including al-nusra and daesh, have ALL used chlorine or mustard gas during the last FIVE YEARS. assad had stores and materials to make more weapons hidden all over the country. ever since the first army base has been taken people have been using gas. not only that, but the origins of ISIS are the remnants of the Iraqi army including the people who helped create and manage Sadam's chemical weapons program.
it seems like they randomly bring it up every so often to drum up more support for the massive amount of spending we've sent that way.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-02-15 13:24:32
I don't care who uses Mustard Gas/Chlorine, they need to be tried as war criminals.
If the US were to use Mustard Gas, I would expect lots of arrests in the US.
Using chemical weapons is ***.
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2016-02-15 13:58:12
well i mean... daesh has used insane forms of torture, assad has used cluster bombs on civilian areas, and fsa has used sarin gas against the army. really all sides are guilty of war crimes. no one is saying that people shouldn't be punished, but who is going to punish and how? pretty soon with russia's backing assad will be back in control of the country and the hundreds of millions that were spent bombing isis and attempting to facilitate a revolution will of been a waste. at that point are you going to be the one driving a tank into damascus? are we going to start a war with russia by going after assad?
i mean if we're just gonna say "checmical weapons bad", then sure. the more important thing is the terrifying level of "eh" that the world has taken in response to it. you think once assads in control of most of syria he's gonna recover all of his stockpiles? this is more like a preview of "isis in libya uses mustard gas #2017".
i feel like the spread of these weapons and the failed attempt at regime change are more important than just, "horrible people continue to do horrible things". granted it's not as quick and easy of a by-line.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-02-15 14:05:25
well i mean... daesh has used insane forms of torture, assad has used cluster bombs on civilian areas, and fsa has used sarin gas against the army. really all sides are guilty of war crimes. no one is saying that people shouldn't be punished, but who is going to punish and how? pretty soon with russia's backing assad will be back in control of the country and the hundreds of millions that were spent bombing isis and attempting to facilitate a revolution will of been a waste. at that point are you going to be the one driving a tank into damascus? are we going to start a war with russia by going after assad?
i mean if we're just gonna say "checmical weapons bad", then sure. the more important thing is the terrifying level of "eh" that the world has taken in response to it. you think once assads in control of most of syria he's gonna recover all of his stockpiles? this is more like a preview of "isis in libya uses mustard gas #2017".
i feel like the spread of these weapons and the failed attempt at regime change are more important than just, "horrible people continue to do horrible things". granted it's not as quick and easy of a by-line. I'm pretty sure that we can try Assad at the very least under international law (he is a leader of a country, dictator or not). Probably he will throw some peons under the bus though.
We may not take over Assad's regime like we did with Hussein's, but at the very least we can go after him under international law and possibly violations of the Geneva Conventions.
I'm not a law scholar though, just have some intermediate understanding of international law.
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2016-02-15 14:17:48
again, are you gonna be the one to go to syria and arrest him? omar al-bashir still walks freely as the "president" of sudan. plus you think russia will let him be found guilty or even indicted? the icc requires states that are members to execute arrests. all syria has to do is reject the icc and then you are asking a country to send in a military force to arrest him. we wouldn't even do that when he was losing the civil war, let alone when he had control of the country.
you and i might as well be the ones to issue the warrant for him.
dun worry though, we got this.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2016-02-15 14:21:55
I find it strange that war would even have a set of rules...
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2016-02-15 14:22:53
think back to like pre-revolutionary war. two sides march up to each other with rifles. lined up nice and tight, then shot at each other til one gives up.
madness.
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2016-02-15 14:23:14
but damn did they know how to dress! red coats indeed.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2016-02-15 14:37:50
think back to like pre-revolutionary war. two sides march up to each other with rifles. lined up nice and tight, then shot at each other til one gives up.
madness. Not quite how it went.
I find it strange that war would even have a set of rules... Self-preservation. We've truly outdone ourselves when it comes to weaponry. Chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons have terrifying potential not only for destruction of human life, but to ruin the world we live in. Back to the principle of mutually assured destruction. Even the "victor" loses in a scenario where such weapons are used freely. Hence the shift towards precision and unmanned weaponry... but that raises questions of its own: what happens when that technology matures? Knives at the throats of every world leader. Could be one hell of a Mexican standoff, every weapon so potent that nobody can afford to use them.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-02-15 15:06:25
again, are you gonna be the one to go to syria and arrest him? omar al-bashir still walks freely as the "president" of sudan. plus you think russia will let him be found guilty or even indicted? the icc requires states that are members to execute arrests. all syria has to do is reject the icc and then you are asking a country to send in a military force to arrest him. we wouldn't even do that when he was losing the civil war, let alone when he had control of the country.
you and i might as well be the ones to issue the warrant for him.
dun worry though, we got this. You are correct, we cannot rely on any real enforcer of international law while Russia continues to back Assad.
That's the problem about sovereign nations though.
Then again, I don't want some random asshat from France deciding that our president isn't nice and charge him with a trumped-up "war crime" charge either, so it goes either way, I guess.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-02-15 16:32:28
I find it strange that war would even have a set of rules... War has had rules since at least the turn of the last millennium. The Roman Catholic Church declared that the would be no fighting on the Sabbath and a host of other holy days. (I have no idea on the Orthodox church's stand on this.)
Way back then Europe was not that populated, armies were tiny, and commanders often sent out heralds to locate the enemy and arrange a time and place for the battle.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-02-15 16:43:28
Well there is no way to hold any individuals directly responsible for this soooo just keep slaughtering them all!
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-02-15 16:51:04
I don't know what you mean, we are killing at least one prominent ISIS leader per month. They are dropping like flies.
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By Grumpy Cat 2016-02-15 17:12:41
Everytime I see Mustard Gas it reminds me of one time I used some brown horseradish mustard to make a sandwich with thanksgiving leftovers... a few days before christmas...
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By Phoenix.Demonjustin 2016-02-15 17:22:42
Everytime I see Mustard Gas it reminds me of one time I used some brown horseradish mustard to make a sandwich with thanksgiving leftovers... a few days before christmas... It reminds me of FFXIV bosses who use it. I somehow doubt that Ishgard can charge the Dravanians with war crimes however.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-02-15 17:56:30
Phoenix.Demonjustin said: »Everytime I see Mustard Gas it reminds me of one time I used some brown horseradish mustard to make a sandwich with thanksgiving leftovers... a few days before christmas... It reminds me of FFXIV bosses who use it. I somehow doubt that Ishgard can charge the Dravanians with war crimes however. Unless Ishgard is Pakistan.
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By Asura.Regicide 2016-03-15 21:04:03
PFf *** tards u ruined the arab world after all not only you made the youth Rage and Disbelieve of liberalism a prime example of hatred you bestowed.
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This is what you Brought and this is what you made after.
The middle east was peaceful During the war on IRAN and AFTERWARDS until the Death of saddam. After the Death of saddam the middle east fell apart REALLY FAST and there was a *** L WAR IN IRAQ. You don't even know what was the purpose of Saddam's War in IraN i hope you research and i find out if you think it was mostly about Kuwait your *** wrong oh wait no one would consider a middle eastern perspective a reason maybe thats why the likes of you will stay arrogant .
Never again i will believe in American Propaganda like what we were fed with during the War on IRAQ I hope Isis Ruins The Iraq government = Iranian/American and fight each other off American influence i believe 50% of the Isis (*** up people too) Soldiers are youngsters that were Traumatized by The American Government in Believing in the American / Cause / Dream But hopefully When they realize its just
manipulation for A greater cause they will stop all of this *** up actions.
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By Asura.Regicide 2016-03-15 21:17:08
well i mean... daesh has used insane forms of torture, assad has used cluster bombs on civilian areas, and fsa has used sarin gas against the army. really all sides are guilty of war crimes. no one is saying that people shouldn't be punished, but who is going to punish and how? pretty soon with russia's backing assad will be back in control of the country and the hundreds of millions that were spent bombing isis and attempting to facilitate a revolution will of been a waste. at that point are you going to be the one driving a tank into damascus? are we going to start a war with russia by going after assad?
i mean if we're just gonna say "checmical weapons bad", then sure. the more important thing is the terrifying level of "eh" that the world has taken in response to it. you think once assads in control of most of syria he's gonna recover all of his stockpiles? this is more like a preview of "isis in libya uses mustard gas #2017".
i feel like the spread of these weapons and the failed attempt at regime change are more important than just, "horrible people continue to do horrible things". granted it's not as quick and easy of a by-line.
Lol.. Even me a middle eastren Would condemn Daesh/isis with all what they have done but All above is false i have nothing to say more.. What about the American Army Torture Among the Iraqi citizens and Palestinian citizens in Palestine? by the so well called Isreal oh sorry i men isfake.
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By Lakshmi.Deces 2016-03-15 21:31:07
PFf *** tards u ruined the arab world after all not only you made the youth Rage and Disbelieve of liberalism a prime example of hatred you bestowed.
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This is what you Brought and this is what you made after.
The middle east was peaceful During the war on IRAN and AFTERWARDS until the Death of saddam. After the Death of saddam the middle east fell apart REALLY FAST and there was a *** L WAR IN IRAQ. You don't even know what was the purpose of Saddam's War in IraN i hope you research and i find out if you think it was mostly about Kuwait your *** wrong oh wait no one would consider a middle eastern perspective a reason maybe thats why the likes of you will stay arrogant .
Never again i will believe in American Propaganda like what we were fed with during the War on IRAQ I hope Isis Ruins The Iraq government = Iranian/American and fight each other off American influence i believe 50% of the Isis (*** up people too) Soldiers are youngsters that were Traumatized by The American Government in Believing in the American / Cause / Dream But hopefully When they realize its just
manipulation for A greater cause they will stop all of this *** up actions. You just might be terrorist.
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2016-03-15 21:31:46
well i mean... daesh has used insane forms of torture, assad has used cluster bombs on civilian areas, and fsa has used sarin gas against the army. really all sides are guilty of war crimes. no one is saying that people shouldn't be punished, but who is going to punish and how? pretty soon with russia's backing assad will be back in control of the country and the hundreds of millions that were spent bombing isis and attempting to facilitate a revolution will of been a waste. at that point are you going to be the one driving a tank into damascus? are we going to start a war with russia by going after assad?
i mean if we're just gonna say "checmical weapons bad", then sure. the more important thing is the terrifying level of "eh" that the world has taken in response to it. you think once assads in control of most of syria he's gonna recover all of his stockpiles? this is more like a preview of "isis in libya uses mustard gas #2017".
i feel like the spread of these weapons and the failed attempt at regime change are more important than just, "horrible people continue to do horrible things". granted it's not as quick and easy of a by-line.
Lol.. Even me a middle eastren Would condemn Daesh/isis with all what they have done but All above is false i have nothing to say more.. What about the American Army Torture Among the Iraqi citizens and Palestinian citizens in Palestine? by the so well called Isreal oh sorry i men isfake.
why wouldn't you condemn them? i do as well. my post had nothing to do with your points. i was simply posting that this same story pops up constantly and is usually used to swing public tide when america escalates it's involvement. a land war would be the worst thing for the middle east. i'm not sure if you actually read my post.
also, i've posted several times in support of a free palestine and consider palestine a constant war crime. american's torturing iraqi's is worth bringing up as it made our bad image even worse and had a considerable impact in encouraging the sunni population of iraq to further distrust the baghdad government which directly led to the rise of isis. i think it's an important part of the conversation, but i don't know why you would throw it at me with your post. i think it's a further example of what i was saying. instead of just saying "oh those people are bad" how about acknowledging the bigger trends in the region leading to these incidents.
and again to the bolded point, almost all of isis victimes have been middle arab muslims. not condemning them would make you a pretty shitty person, but i think you attacked my post without understanding the point so i'll just walk away with that.
By Blazed1979 2016-03-18 02:26:05
First, I just wanna put things in perspective.
-More toddlers kill people in the US than terrorists.
-More Americans die as a result of malpractice or due to lacking access to proper healthcare than those that are killed by terrorists.
-More Americans die as a result of medical complications due to prescription medicine than those that are killed by terrorists.
-More Americans die as a result of poorly maintained infrastructure than those that are killed by terrorists.
-The amount of missing children who have not been located or found in the US is greater than the entire sum of children that have been killed by ISIS.
-More people die of hit and runs in the US than by terrorists.
-More people are murdered by a member of their family in the US, than by terrorists.
-More African Americans are shot and killed by the police, than by terrorists.
-The population of incarcerated Americans is 30 x greater than all of ISIS and all the people they govern.
-It would take ISIS 1 year of killing 10,000 people a day to kill the same amount of innocent people the US has killed in the past 10 years.
Second, about whether or not the US is to blame for the situation in the middle east - it isn't even a debate anymore.
The Republican front runner, Trump, who has campaigned on hate towards minorities doesn't even deny that. The same candidate that is calling for blocking muslims entry to the US, also very outspokenly states that the Neocons and US foreign policy are to blame for the mess in the middle east.
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By Bahamut.Vinedrius 2016-03-18 03:51:21
I don't know what you mean, we are killing at least one prominent ISIS leader per month. They are dropping like flies.
or so your media tells you. Are they dropping their corpses off helicopters into the ocean too? oh wait...
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-03-18 04:08:22
I just woke up and read a bunch of mostly wrong posts some of which with bad grammar; but did someone just defend Iraq's invasion of Kuwait? That was probably the only war in the middle east that made a modicum of sense since the second one was dumb as *** and pretty much generated the IS.
First, I just wanna put things in perspective. And more people everywhere die of cancer or malnutrition, so yeah I guess terrorism isn't that bad afterall huh?
Dude, doesn't matter what faults or holes there are in a state nothing of it condones terrorism. This post you made is just disgusting.
Oh please gtfo.
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By Bahamut.Vinedrius 2016-03-18 04:14:59
He is just saying that USA has to look into her own problems before playing the police of the world. It has nothing to do with people dying to cancer to be compared to terrorism. They are so eager to see governments they don't like overthrown but they don't seem to be as eager to solve things like health insurance and civil arming.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-03-18 04:19:01
Bahamut.Vinedrius said: »He is just saying that USA has to look into her own problems before playing the police of the world. It has nothing to do with people dying to cancer to be compared to terrorism. They are so eager to see governments they don't like overthrown but they don't seem to be as eager to solve things like health insurance and civil arming. Doesn't matter. Those are points of contention from political point of view, none of it should go in the same sentence as fighting an organized terrorist group.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-03-18 04:39:57
Look, I certainly don't shy away when there's something to criticize in the US but two things are clear
1. Nothing happening in America has any justification for isis actions. We can talk about responsibilities of its existence, but stil none of it justifies what is does. Not.a.thing.
2. A holier than thou attitude towards America from a middle east perspective is one hell of potkettling considering the lack of even basic human rights there sometimes. Erdogan, Assad, Hamas and don't even get me started on that ***of al Saud. Can't blame all the problems on Rouhani, Netanyahu and America just cause they're the enemies.
So to use the same line of thoughts as used by the poster above: fix your own problems before criticizing one of the most free and developed countries of the world?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-03-18 09:18:26
Look, I certainly don't shy away when there's something to criticize in the US Ain't that the truth!
First, I just wanna put things in perspective.
-More toddlers kill people in the US than terrorists.
-More Americans die as a result of malpractice or due to lacking access to proper healthcare than those that are killed by terrorists.
-More Americans die as a result of medical complications due to prescription medicine than those that are killed by terrorists.
-More Americans die as a result of poorly maintained infrastructure than those that are killed by terrorists.
-The amount of missing children who have not been located or found in the US is greater than the entire sum of children that have been killed by ISIS.
-More people die of hit and runs in the US than by terrorists.
-More people are murdered by a member of their family in the US, than by terrorists.
-More African Americans are shot and killed by the police, than by terrorists.
-The population of incarcerated Americans is 30 x greater than all of ISIS and all the people they govern.
-It would take ISIS 1 year of killing 10,000 people a day to kill the same amount of innocent people the US has killed in the past 10 years.
Second, about whether or not the US is to blame for the situation in the middle east - it isn't even a debate anymore.
The Republican front runner, Trump, who has campaigned on hate towards minorities doesn't even deny that. The same candidate that is calling for blocking muslims entry to the US, also very outspokenly states that the Neocons and US foreign policy are to blame for the mess in the middle east.
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-More terrorists kill people in the Middle East than toddlers do.
-More terrorists kill people in the Middle East than lack of healthcare or possible malpractice.
-More terrorists kill people in the Middle East than medical complications or pharmaceutical abuse.
-More terrorists kill people in the Middle East than the poorly maintained infrastructure by most Middle East countries (because, you know, third world countries and all that)
-More terrorists kill children in the Middle East than other factors of human abuse towards children.
-More terrorists kill people in the Middle East than those who die from hit and runs.
-More terrorists kill members of their own family/clan in the Middle East than non-terrorists.
-More terrorists kill African Americans in the Middle East than non-terrorists.
-More terrorists kill people in the Middle East than those who are incarcerated (because, you know, Sharia's law. Can't take a ***without breaking some made-up law that demands capital punishment).
-Terrorists kill indiscriminately everyday because, you know, reasons.
So, fix your own problems before you *** about the US. I would start with your religion first, that seems to be where most of the issues arise.
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By Blazed1979 2016-03-18 09:28:17
Bahamut.Vinedrius said: »He is just saying that USA has to look into her own problems before playing the police of the world. It has nothing to do with people dying to cancer to be compared to terrorism. They are so eager to see governments they don't like overthrown but they don't seem to be as eager to solve things like health insurance and civil arming. Doesn't matter. Those are points of contention from political point of view, none of it should go in the same sentence as fighting an organized terrorist group.
so much fallacy in everything you say, you're like the bazaro of logic. Its interesting that you find facts to be disgusting, the truth often isn't easy to swallow. Its bitter and rancid, much like the history of the US.
If the US really wanted to fight terrorism, they would be fighting homegrown terrorism, which is far more dangerous and far more widespread and happens to be in their own borders.
Quote: Samples confirm Islamic State used mustard gas in Iraq -diplomat
Islamic State militants attacked Kurdish forces in Iraq with mustard gas last year, in the first known use of chemical weapons in Iraq since the fall of Saddam Hussein, a diplomat said, after tests by the global chemical arms watchdog.
A source at the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) confirmed that laboratory tests had come back positive for the sulphur mustard, after around 35 Kurdish troops were sickened on the battlefield last August.
The OPCW will not identify who used the chemical agent. But the diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity because the findings have not yet been released, said the result confirmed that chemical weapons had been used by Islamic State fighters.
The samples were taken after the soldiers became ill during fighting against Islamic State militants southwest of Erbil, capital of Iraq's autonomous Kurdish region.
The OPCW already concluded in October that mustard gas was used last year in neighbouring Syria. Islamic State has declared a "caliphate" in territory it controls in both Iraq and Syria and does not recognise the frontier.
The matter is expected to be raised at the next meeting of the OPCW's 41-member Executive Council in a month, an official said.
If Islamic State used chemical weapons, experts are still uncertain of how the group might have obtained them, or whether it could have access to more.
Another diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Syria's stockpile was a possible source of the sulphur mustard used in Iraq. That would mean Damascus had failed to fully disclose its chemical weapons programme, which was dismantled under international supervision in 2013-2014, the diplomat said.
"If Syria has indeed given up its chemical weapons to the international community, it is only the part that has been declared to the OPCW and the declaration was obviously incomplete," the diplomat told Reuters.
Syrian officials could not immediately be reached for comment but have previously denied any part of the country's former stockpile remains undestroyed.
Syria agreed to give up its chemical weapons stockpile after hundreds of people died in an attack with Sarin nerve gas in a Damascus suburb in 2013. Western countries blame that attack on the government of President Bashar al-Assad, which denies it.
Iraq's chemical arsenal, part of a "weapons of mass destruction" programme used to justify the U.S.-British invasion of 2003, proved to have been destroyed and dismantled in the Saddam era, although U.S. troops occasionally encountered old Saddam-era chemical munitions during the 2003-2011 occupation.
Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, a specialist in biological and chemical warfare, said Islamic State fighters may have developed their own chemical weapons capability, and could be preparing to use it again.
"I'm pretty convinced that the mustard IS are using in Iraq is made by them in Mosul," he said, referring to the main city in northern Iraq, which Islamic State fighters have occupied since 2014. "They have all the precursors at hand from the oil industry and all the experts at hand to do it."
Sulphur mustard is a Class 1 chemical agent, which means it has very few uses outside chemical warfare. Used with lethal effectiveness in World War One, it causes severe delayed burns to the eyes, skin and respiratory tract. (Reporting by Anthony Deutsch; editing by Peter Graff)
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