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Stupid **** Cops Say to Keep You From Recording
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-12-24 19:13:57
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As I dive deeper and deeper into the legal complexities of the right to photograph and record in public (I can quote Glik v Cuniffe so fast I will make your head spin), I have noticed a disturbing trend:

The reasons and excuses offered by police officers, firefighters, security officers, even teachers and principals, to keep you from taking a photograph are just plain pathetic.

PINAC. Photography Is Not A Crime

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There’s not a shred of originality – let alone truth – to any of them. It’s as if they communicate on their own private radio frequency. What really fascinates me is how people who are usually intelligent and hard-working individuals can say many of these things without thinking, That is so stupid and inane, even I wouldn’t believe it if I heard it.

Of course, many of these statements are illegal, threatening, violations of any number of your Constitutionally-mandated rights (if not all of them), or just plain – how can we say this in a diplomatic way? – frigging stupid.

This list is posted for your protection and education. The next time you hear someone in authority – or someone who thinks they are in a position of authority – saying anything on this list, your *** Meter should set off an alarm and you can just ignore the blubbering fool.

If you have any more words of wisdom to add to this list, please put them in the comments.

The camera could be a gun.
9/11. That’s all I need to say.
Are you a terrorist?
You must be a terrorist.
National security. That’s all I need to say.
If this building were to suddenly blow up, we would want to know who to call with some questions.
You don’t have my permission to take my photograph here on the street.
You need permission to take photographs of people in the accident.
You need to respect people’s privacy.
You’re real close to going to jail…real close!
Put that camera down and stop taking photos. Now!
Do you not have anything better to do with your life?
Let me see your credentials/identification/press pass/etc.
You need a press pass to be here.
The crime scene is as big as I want it to be.
Just back away and shoot with a long lens.
I’m taking your picture because you took mine.
The yellow tape is for anyone not holding a camera. YOU need to go back another block or more.
Why are you pointing a camera at me while I am trying to do my job?
Give me the photo disk. Now!
If you keep recording, we will take your camera as evidence!
Give me your camera. Now!
Let me see your photographs.
I don’t need a warrant to see your photographs.
I don’t need a warrant to take your camera.
Stop resisting arrest while I try to take your camera! (A clasic!)
You have taken enough photos, now go away.
You cannot have my name and badge number.
My name is Your Worse Nightmare and my badge number is 666.
This is a government building, no photographs are allowed.
You can’t take photographs of that government building.
You can’t take photographs of that office building.
You don’t have my permission to record this conversation on the street.
Because I said so!

I have prepared a two-page reprint of this story so you can carry it in your camera bag (anyone for Stupid ***Cops Say Bingo??).

Click here to download the PDF file.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-12-24 19:38:18
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Smart people say stupid ***like this because intelligence leaves the premises when fear enters. Fear is the path to the stupid side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to confiscated cameras. Confiscated cameras leads to Suffering...
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By Jassik 2015-12-24 19:46:30
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My favorite is "you don't need to record this, I'm already recording it".

There's also the typical "wire-tapping" statutes cops like to threaten with, which have been applied to all manner of audio recording.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-12-25 10:31:44
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Thanks Josia, the same to you.
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By Ramyrez 2015-12-25 12:09:08
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As long as you are not obstructing justice you can film anything happening in a public area, there is no reasonable expectation to privacy.

That's pretty much the bottom line.

That's not to say there won't be consequences from *** who want to stop you from doing so, so you might have to fight for your rights there, but you do have them.
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By Ruaumoko 2015-12-29 15:21:16
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Wasn't there a kickstarter for a program that instantly uploaded videos take on a smartphone to your computer?

That would be a heck of an invention to counter police who try to get away with this stupid ***.
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2015-12-29 16:04:45
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To be fair.

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You need to respect people’s privacy.
Do you not have anything better to do with your life?

They kind of have a point with those two...

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The crime scene is as big as I want it to be.

The crime scene thing is true. If there are cones or tape, you aren't supposed to cross them. You're becoming a danger to us or even putting yourself in danger by doing so. If it is an active crime scene then you are potentially contaminating evidence. The commanding officer of the incident makes the scene as big as he wishes it to be, and can expand it as need be.

I'm not 100% for rules on the police side, but for the fire/EMS side of things if you cross our cones you can be fined with "Failure to yield to an emergency vehicle" or "Impeding emergency operations." Both of which are basically a tax on stupidity.

If we are on a fire or a car wreck or something you are putting your own life, and possible our lives, at risk.


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This is a government building, no photographs are allowed.

This is kind of true. You're not supposed to take pictures of bases and such as it can be a security breech.
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By Valefor.Omnys 2015-12-29 16:07:21
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I just want to say that yeah, while cops give a lot of bogus excuses, recording an accident or a tragedy so you can be a youtube star for 30 seconds is pretty tactless.

Another 9/11? There would be people climbing over rubble filming it.

You should, you don't have to, respect people's privacy.

That, and the youtube idiots would totally disregard national security for a few Likes though true incidents where national security are a concern never really happen.
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By Altimaomega 2015-12-29 19:53:24
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Ruaumoko said: »
Wasn't there a kickstarter for a program that instantly uploaded videos take on a smartphone to your computer?

That would be a heck of an invention to counter police who try to get away with this stupid ***.

That's actually a pretty good idea. A website that you can upload video you take of police acting good or bad. Policing the police is not a bad thing and would benefit everyone. Need one for politicians as well.

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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-12-29 20:29:32
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Altimaomega said: »
Ruaumoko said: »
Wasn't there a kickstarter for a program that instantly uploaded videos take on a smartphone to your computer?

That would be a heck of an invention to counter police who try to get away with this stupid ***.
That's actually a pretty good idea. A website that you can upload video you take of police acting good or bad. Policing the police is not a bad thing and would benefit everyone. Need one for politicians as well.

Sorry, politicians should be forced to wear full audio video body cameras that upload in real time. They should have NO privacy.
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By Altimaomega 2015-12-29 20:51:47
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No need to apologize I totally agree.
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By Leviathan.Syto 2015-12-29 22:20:01
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I know that knowledge is power, and I greatly appreciate this knowledge being shared and distributed here today. However, I have one challenge and obstacle to this. Its called "MERICA *** YEAH" syndrome. Unfortunately in this country we have this type of "Species" of people and police that love to assert the highest level of ruthless physical force (to the degree of killing). They are so ruthless and arrogant that they think they can get away with it too. Although some have been in trouble and some haven't as a consequence. You still see it on the news often of those cops that pulled out their guns or asserted some heavy physical and fatal force thinking they are "Judge Dredds" of the law.

As great as this knowledge above is or anything that counters them, how do we deal with this species? They are not afraid of the true law, they take steroids and gleefully practice this kind of HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE masculine aggression and take absolute pride in it in their break-rooms as they laugh and fart their steroid-filled experiences away among themselves. What if you are the next victim of this type of common police brutality practice in our precious "MERICA-***-YEAH"?

My solution: We all learn the high velocity fighting techniques through the way of the Bushido, and conceal our blades just incase. With a strike faster than they can think (which isn't very fast), they wont live long enough to question your knowledge of the law.... :P

Either way this is great knowledge. Thanks. Don't be afraid to risk your life while expressing this. This is the only way to defeat them.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-12-29 22:48:17
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I kinda had you until that third paragraph Syto.
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By Leviathan.Tribalprophet 2015-12-29 23:09:59
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Altimaomega said: »
Ruaumoko said: »
Wasn't there a kickstarter for a program that instantly uploaded videos take on a smartphone to your computer?

That would be a heck of an invention to counter police who try to get away with this stupid ***.

That's actually a pretty good idea. A website that you can upload video you take of police acting good or bad. Policing the police is not a bad thing and would benefit everyone. Need one for politicians as well.

Except that no one is going to bother uploading videos of the police acting good.

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1) Guy shoves cop and reaches for cop's gun.
2) Someone sees something is happening and starts recording.
3) Cop slams guy to the ground and puts his knee on his neck.
4) Everyone watching the video only sees the cop grab this guy 'totally at random' and abuse him for no reason.
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By Phoenix.Syto 2015-12-29 23:36:03
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
I kinda had you until that third paragraph Syto.

I totally understand why. Sorry I got into SAM mode again. Its a bad *Cough* good* habit. :P
 
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By Altimaomega 2015-12-30 00:14:13
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Leviathan.Tribalprophet said: »
Except that no one is going to bother uploading videos of the police acting good.
You may be surprised.

Leviathan.Tribalprophet said: »
Also:
1) Guy shoves cop and reaches for cop's gun.
2) Someone sees something is happening and starts recording.
3) Cop slams guy to the ground and puts his knee on his neck.
4) Everyone watching the video only sees the cop grab this guy 'totally at random' and abuse him for no reason.

Good point, except for.. Why did the Cop allow said "guy" so close to him? Then, exercise excessive force?
Also, with the mindset you put forward with your list. Do you believe citizens should not be able to video the people that are paid to protect them?
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By Asura.Saevel 2015-12-30 00:20:09
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Jassik said: »
There's also the typical "wire-tapping" statutes cops like to threaten with, which have been applied to all manner of audio recording.

Those don't' apply when there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. A public street has no reasonable expectation of privacy and thus anything can be recorded there. Police won't mention any of this and will use all sorts of *** to try to convince you to stop recording voluntarily. If they physical take your phone try to hurt you, then things get really interesting as a good lawyer can use that to destroy them in court.

This is why everyone should have a black box for their vehicle. It should record everything happening around the vehicle along with audio of both outside and inside. This way, when you pull out your phone to start recording, any interference from the police is caught on the car's black box system that they haven't even thought to check. Later, when ***gets real, you hand the car's black box data over to your lawyer and let them barbecue everyone involved.
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By Altimaomega 2015-12-30 00:23:23
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What if I told you, vehicles already had this.
But was used in the total opposite manner you suggest.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-12-30 00:28:58
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I'm beginning to think that justice should be privatized and fully controlled by the invisible hand of the free market. Ah, well, one can dream.
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By Altimaomega 2015-12-30 00:31:25
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So should the gover.. oh.. wai..
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-12-30 00:35:21
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Almost... just got to get rid of that pesky public voting rigmarole.
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By Altimaomega 2015-12-30 00:49:00
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I've heard through some fairly reliable sources that people are already choosing not to vote all on their own. Won't be long now.
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By Asura.Saevel 2015-12-30 04:43:47
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Altimaomega said: »
What if I told you, vehicles already had this.
But was used in the total opposite manner you suggest.

Opposite as in the police recordings? You absolutely can't trust those. There is too great a chance the police officer will simply have them "turned off" during the supposed incident or that they will simply never materialize in the ensuing trial. Everybody's best bet is to take their own measures for legal defense as the police are not for public safety or keeping the peace. Police Officers are now nothing more then a big gang with the DA's being the gang boss's.
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By Ramyrez 2015-12-30 07:19:23
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Fenrir.Weakness said: »
The crime scene thing is true. If there are cones or tape, you aren't supposed to cross them. You're becoming a danger to us or even putting yourself in danger by doing so. If it is an active crime scene then you are potentially contaminating evidence. The commanding officer of the incident makes the scene as big as he wishes it to be, and can expand it as need be.

I'm not 100% for rules on the police side, but for the fire/EMS side of things if you cross our cones you can be fined with "Failure to yield to an emergency vehicle" or "Impeding emergency operations." Both of which are basically a tax on stupidity.

If we are on a fire or a car wreck or something you are putting your own life, and possible our lives, at risk.

Don't know about others but I'm specifically speaking to police incidents, not crime or accident scenes.

Yeah, you can't enter a taped off crime scene without consequences.

You can -- and possibly should -- be filming an officer using force to detain a suspect. Which brings me to:

Valefor.Omnys said: »
I just want to say that yeah, while cops give a lot of bogus excuses, recording an accident or a tragedy so you can be a youtube star for 30 seconds is pretty tactless.

Another 9/11? There would be people climbing over rubble filming it.

You should, you don't have to, respect people's privacy.

That, and the youtube idiots would totally disregard national security for a few Likes though true incidents where national security are a concern never really happen.

There are certainly YouTube *** out there who would film their mother getting raped if it would get them internet popularity. People who would refuse to help a drowning man for the purpose of filming it instead.

Those people are *** scum.

But that's not what we're talking about at all.

We're talking about situations in which it would be both dangerous to you and illegal to engage yourself such as an officer striking, aiming a weapon, or shooting at someone.

In fairness, if an officer is firing at someone I can see being too shocked or pumped full of adrenaline to want to or even be able to capture the image in some fashion.

But if the officer is acting legitimately within the prescribed boundaries of his power, you're actually documenting appropriate behavior. And if he isn't, you're exercising your civil liberties to call out someone abusing power. Or if you see a crime being committed in a public area, you are indeed legally within your rights to film it and turn it over as evidence to authorities.

No. It's not the safest thing for you to do, or the most comfortable, and I don't necessarily blame someone who doesn't want to inject themselves into that situation and bring stress or danger onto themselves.

Mr. Zapruder is still a household name, for ***'s sake.

But you are allowed to and -- and this is only my opinion -- in some cases ethically compelled to do so. I admit that my opinion on this, however, could be the journalism degree talking. *** thing is useless in actual journalism these days, as true journalism is dead as Dillinger.
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