SCH Vs. BLM

This thread has gone on way too long.

The answer to the question is easy. If you want to level a more versatile job, level scholar. If you want to level a more specialized job, level BLM.

Despite what the scholars say, they are not better nukers than BLM b/c of their efficiency or comparable damage. They are just a job w/ the capability of nuking and healing effectively. The extra MP efficiency is great for xp, but when you get resists on harder enemies, the "MP efficiency" is irrelevant. You have to land the nuke in order for it to be efficient.

A scholar can certainly nuke. No one doubts that. But if you are in a party environment fighting something harder than a pudding, a SCH is going to be more beneficial as support for the BLMs so they can do what they do best. Why use a second-rate nuker when it's not as effective? There seems to be a disconnect in some people's thought process. Efficiency != effectiveness.

That being said, SCH is probably more interesting and interactive to play. It can do more things, it requires more planning, etc.

And to the OP, I will restate my point: Neither job is "superior." They are different jobs who share a few similarities. If you want to level a versatile job, go SCH; if you want a specialized job, BLM.

Kill this thread.

And blm cant debuff ? which spell you have more that a blm /whm, /rdm ?
Same about heal, we maybe dont have cure 4 or 5 but they can toss a heal when they see it's needed. OK we are very bad for that, and almost all hate that, but we can...
No doult sch pwn us in healing category, but dont reduce the potency of blm.



That was true but now with the "new" spells, whm is really the best healer. You (i mean "sch", not only you) you are talking about mp/nuke when you compare to blm, it's strange that you don't do the same with mp/cure.

Ok SCH is a great job, but since he is not really specialized in any category, he just can't be the best in any category... So stop the "omg i'm the best everywhere cause i got the job"

EDIT : thanks Deodate, finally someone who say something with impartiality

Okay. A properly geared SCH can out nuke/keep up with a well geared blm. Granted its going to take use of weather spells, obis, ebullience, and fully merited elemental magic to nuke up there with blm on tier4 spells. I often out nuke full morgan blm on znm mobs until they bust out the burst2 or freeze2. Along those lines if im not interested in my epeen i can spam t3 spells with weather spells on to out parse blm who are now restin cause they are out of mp. Not to mention i can toss out a helix that is goin to do 1k+ damage with almost 0 emnity gain.

One major advantage blm has is in its native spells like stun and its access to gear that sch can not equip. In my opinion sch is the best job to lvl for someone with only a couple or one other 75, you can fill many rolls for your ls and do them very well. It just takes a lot of macros and research.

Screenshots or it didn't happen. Cause I'm gonna call BS on a sch outnuking a full morrigan blm.

will do next znm round.

Then again, I have outnuked 3/5 Morri BLMs with Novio before....

Yeah i do not mean to imply that sch is far superior to blm in nuking situations, but to say they can def hold their own. Cause ya we all like to have those 1500 thun4.

And Sch do the right thing and hit your blm party with the same weather spell your giving yourself :?

Thats it.

For now on, I don't want to see any SCH here say they can outnuke a BLM UNLESS they bring the following evidence.

1) A SS of both nukes.
2) A SS of the SCH and BLMs gears.

Until you bring BOTH of these SSs together, I'm going to keep calling BS to anyone who says SCH can outnuke a BLM.

>.> I never said I could, but I have parses showing I was in first or second around the best BLMs in my shell.

Damage over time or Damage period?

And I bet you that neither of those BLMs subbed SCH.

lol this sounds like one of those SAM vs DRG debates... fun... :)

I say a SAM can outdps a SCH there, and I have no screenshots to prove it

but a taru BRD certainly can't outdps a BLM unless the BRD has fully merited INT and the BLM is a naked Galka

there you go, prove me wrong, I am waiting for your flames (not)

^-^ side note: I beat Promathia yesterday, woohoo :D

I didn't say it was best in every category.
But since it does well in EVERY category, over all its a more useful job.
Like it or not.
Thats the way it is.
THE END.

They weren't that *** dumb, but they weren't spamming AMII's.. It was Dynas anyways. Only time I ever got to go as sch in my old shell, so it's DoT.

This is always how debates about DRG vs SAM end, with the DRG being pissed that they can't do as much damage they just say that they're better because they can do more different things. Considering the fact the damage you deal with every hit is partially random this is incredibly pointless. If it was fixed it would be quite uninteresting.

A bit like saying that a general physician is superior to a specialized physician because the specialist concentrates on only one subject... It turns out that for some situations you need to consult a specialist, it's situational... But no... we humans always strive to *feel* superior, even if this is merely a non-pvp MMORPG based on the concept of cooperation.

/sch isn't always dumb for blm. Just like sometimes its ok for a sch to /blm. And AM2s aren't as mp efficient anyways

I'm sorry, but I have a huge problem with /SCH blms, and /BLM. I would much rather see both of them /RDM.

That's probably cause you haven't been in fights where the blm if hes not dumb wont take any dmg in which point using a for protection spells is completely pointless. I went blm/sch or rdm/sch everytime for tinnin. I was pretty much the only one who didn't need refresh and the only time I died was when tanks kept dieing and lost hate and I ate serpentine tails. I don't care how a stoneskin I got it's not gonna stop 2k+ dmg from killing me.
And always did it on proto-omega. Only time took hate was after multiple hate resets and then it only went after me because my dmg was so much higher then either our sch or other blms

All this is is SCH vs BLM ofcourse.
People who have leveled BLM are always gunna say BLM > SCH and people who leveled SCH are always gunna SCH > BLM.
People who leveled both are gunna go with the one they enjoyed more.
There will be no accurate answers.
So stfu and stop arguing.

Depends on what you are doing. If you are doing a fight like Ouryu or Tiamat where your blm aren't getting hit by any -gas, /sch is > /rdm. In a burn like these fights you are typically using ballads and not refresh. So Sublimation + ballads = win. Not to mention all of the other sch abilities you get.

edit-There are of course times when /sch sucks. I hate when blm in dynamis come /sch. They are the 1st to die.

Why don't we all just flop our *** out and compare, whoever's is biggest gets to decide whether blm or sch is better. Oh wait, this is already an e-peen contest, my bad.

I've poked my head in this thread a few times, and all I see is Korpg and Dasva (the dumbass blm brigade) arguing black and blue that they're both the best blms around and out-parse a full morri 83 soulflayer blm/blm bla bla bla, and trying their damnedest to shoot down opinions of people who actually know what they're talking about. Then when that person can't be *** competing with the twin stupidity and leave the thread, the DBB declare themselves the winners.

Everything in this game is situational, level what you want to level, and if you're half decent at your job you'll work out which SJ to take to which event. Or instead you could just focus on e-peen and take whatever will give you the biggest omgwtf nukes, completely disregarding any other members in your alliance or overall efficiency.

So says a guy who doesnt have either job lvld.
Needless to say me and Korpg have only argued that blm does more dmg spell for spell but otherwise generally scholar does more. And if you actually read my stuff I said a couple of times I'm missing alot of gear that I could use. I will however call BS on schs that claim they can do more dmg than a decent blm especially full morrigans blms. Turns out that that doing the most dmg per nuke can be more important than being able to nuke more times. For 1 you can't just keep nuking without getting hate. And 2 sometimes the whole reason your using blm dmg is to minimize tp given to the mob in which case epeen is the whole idea and the best thing to do.
And when your only nuking on the occasional skillchain provided by mediatating sams its not like that mp efficiency means 2 shits

Really its not which job is better, it's whether or not the players and people they're comparing themselves to are better geared and meritted. As far as comparing Tier IV dmg, a Blm needs a bit more costly/epeen gear then a Sch would to output good dmg, including merits since Sch doesn't have potency merits. I've both leveled and both well geared, they're both good jobs~

Give me a quote that is backed by proof.

One that is acceptable with both parties to be absolutly true.

I know you will probably give out that chart from a couple of pages back, but where are the numbers for that.

You might also pull out that parser, but in all honesty, that BLM on that parser is subpar because of damage, which happens to be ON THAT SAME PARSER.

So, give me proof on here that SCH > BLM in all aspects and I'll shut the *** up right now.

This is the ss of my Sch nuking that i said i'd post. No food used, obi & weather(stormsurge is capped however thunderstorm gives +7 DEX), & was not a crit proc.

Anyone got a pic of their BLM nuking Thunder IV higher on those same mobs? If not, thread OVER.

Even though it was over due to the OP levelling SCH, but that's besides the point. (I'm a BLM, and I'm going to be taking up SCH next.)

Wow, big numbers on puddings, never seen that before. /sarcasm

That's the point, it's not. Neither is BLM. If you're not going to shut up until someone says BLM is better than SCH is all situations then you're going to be here for a very long time.

If not then be happy, you're right, stop pissing into the wind.

Not saying either is better in all aspects, just showing what Sch is capable of ~.~

You all fail, PUP wins.