Populism And Nationalism On The Rise In Europe

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By Altimaomega 2015-12-13 15:02:15
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maldini said: »
These trends point towards a prosperous future for the US:
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Vote Democrat for more of the same. Go Murica!
 
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By Asura.Wormfeeder 2015-12-13 16:47:49
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Altimaomega said: »
maldini said: »
These trends point towards a prosperous future for the US:
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Vote Democrat for more of the same. Go Murica!

Vote Republican for more ***.

Both suck, I don't see why the conservative pack wants to vilify democrates when their ***stinks just a little more.

It's not like there is a solution to vote for.

It isn't the liberals or conservatives that are the problem in this country, it is the liberal progressives and neocons that are ruining this country. Liberal progressives with give away more free stuff and tax people more and neocons with let's war some more and tax people more.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-12-13 16:49:47
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Take your conversations about american politics to random.
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By Siren.Akson 2015-12-13 17:20:38
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Take your conversations about american politics to random.
Maldini once again comparing EU to the USA brought this about.
maldini said: »
These trends point towards a prosperous future for the US:
The National Enquirer headlines with too many credible sources.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-12-13 17:43:55
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France far right party 'routed'


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France's far-right National Front (FN) has failed to win a single region in the second round of elections, exit polls indicate.

Early results suggest the party has been beaten into third place, despite leading in six of 13 regions in the first round of votes a week ago.

The polls predict Nicolas Sarkozy's centre-right Republicans will win most seats ahead of the ruling Socialists.
Acknowledging defeat, FN leader Marine Le Pen pledged to keep fighting.

And she blamed the outcome on the mainstream parties which joined forces to keep the FN from power, telling her supporters they had been "disenfranchised in the most indecent of ways by a campaign of lies and disinformation".
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-12-13 17:44:05
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So FN didn't win a single region in the regional elections in France. This is a victory for everyone in Europe. Turnout at the polls was significantly higher than usual which goes to show people do care.
Le Pen still isn't out for running for pres in '17 but it's a signal that the phenomenon can be contained if people don't let apathy, anger, or fear take over.

edit: wow Kara did you read my mind

beat me by 10 seconds!
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By maldini 2015-12-13 17:57:57
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
So FN didn't win a single region in the regional elections in France. This is a victory for everyone in Europe. Turnout at the polls was significantly higher than usual which goes to show people do care.
Le Pen still isn't out for running for pres in '17 but it's a signal that the phenomenon can be contained if people don't let apathy, anger, or fear take over.

edit: wow Kara did you read my mind

Told you not to worry. Western Europe for the most part is just too mature. However that can change in as little as 10 years. Look at what Fox news has done to the US lol.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-12-13 18:01:00
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Well no..like I said on the previous page, even if they don't win, the fact that they have so many voters is concerning enough and it's a threat to take with due seriousness.
For example a lot of people don't go to vote cause they think in the end it doesn't matter..but it does, and talking and informing is an important aspect to make sure people understand and act.
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By maldini 2015-12-13 18:09:08
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Well no..like I said on the previous page, even if they don't win, the fact that they have so many voters is concerning enough and it's a threat to take with due seriousness.
For example a lot of people don't go to vote cause they think in the end it doesn't matter..but it does, and talking and informing is an important aspect to make sure people understand and act.

I've looked into this since coming on here this week and seeing so many EUs worried about it.

Its economics again. A lot of hidden resentment towards Germany, marginalized people who feel detached from the fate of their country, lack of knowledge and ignorance, and tons of xenophobia scapegoating that despicable politicians like La Pen use to irresponsibly emotionally charge those who feel sidelined.

Solution: Lots and lots of informing. The media should be responsible.
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By Altimaomega 2015-12-13 19:11:21
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Would someone be kind enough to explain why nationalism is bad?
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By Jassik 2015-12-13 19:14:49
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Would someone be kind enough to explain why nationalism is bad?

In a vacuum, it's just an idea. In practice, it leads to all kinds of really dangerous things. Nationalism was responsible for much of the atrocities in the USSR. People were unwilling to view their government critically and thus, the government was allowed to do horrible things. Nationalism here led to the invasion of Iraq.

Does that answer your question sufficiently?
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By Jassik 2015-12-13 19:16:36
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Take your conversations about american politics to random.

America is having the same xenophobic and racist issues stemming from nationalism as Europe.

What's up with your backseat moding over topics you are interested in lately?

It's actually her thread, so she can make those kinds of determinations within reason. I don't think it's unreasonable for her to want the thread focused on European politics as that's the topic. Parallels, however, are obviously going to come up, and that's between her and the mods if it is a problem.
 
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By Jassik 2015-12-13 19:22:39
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and that's between her and the mods if it is a problem.
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By Altimaomega 2015-12-13 19:30:01
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Jassik said: »
In a vacuum, it's just an idea. In practice, it leads to all kinds of really dangerous things. Nationalism was responsible for much of the atrocities in the USSR. People were unwilling to view their government critically and thus, the government was allowed to do horrible things. Nationalism here led to the invasion of Iraq.

Does that answer your question sufficiently?

Not really.
What do you mean by unwilling to view their government critically.

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Wow.

History.

In case you haven't been paying attention, not everyone views history the same. Especially around these forums.

Funny, I politely ask a simple question and you respond like this...
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By Jassik 2015-12-13 19:31:57
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Altimaomega said: »
Not really.
What do you mean by unwilling to view their government critically.

How do you not understand that? The government says stuff or does stuff and the people just accept it instead of questioning it.

Critical Thinking said:
the objective analysis and evaluation of an issue in order to form a judgment
 
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By Siren.Akson 2015-12-13 19:55:07
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Nationalism - Loyality and Devotion to a Nation.

Sounds extremely evil.
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By Altimaomega 2015-12-13 19:56:34
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Gotta love the tolerance and understanding around here.

I had an idea what it meant in the USA but didn't know if it was the same in Europe and I asked for a definition, politely! Then get attacked and called ignorant. Classic response from you guys however. You never fail to disappoint.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-12-13 19:57:54
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Stop playing the victim card, nobody cares.
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By Altimaomega 2015-12-13 20:00:22
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Stop playing the victim card, nobody cares.

Altimaomega said: »
Classic response
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-12-13 20:03:05
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That's enough bickering.
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By Siren.Akson 2015-12-13 20:09:25
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Siren.Akson said: »
Nationalism - Loyality and Devotion to a Nation.

Sounds extremely evil.

Worked so well in Yugoslavia huh?

Nazi Germany?

Fascist Italy?

North Korea?

How many examples do we need to see that nationalism (especially in Europe) is dangerous?
Not sure what you're going on about here. Just cause your loyal to your country and it's personal sovereignty doesn't make wars happen. No I don't see anything wrong with pledging allegiance to the flag.
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-12-13 20:14:57
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Every political thread involves bickering. I am not too sure what is really expected that also coincides with reality.
It's gotten to the point where there is more bickering than staying on topic and you throwing out 'it happens' and 'everyone does it' isn't helping. There are EU users here who are actually invested in this subject and 'boo Democrats/Republicans' and the pissing matches is probably as irritating to them as it is to me and before you ask, no one 'whined' to me via reports.
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