No Longer Active Shooter Reported In San Bernadino, Calif.

And this is why the people on the left are for gun control and the people on the right are not. The people on the left think it's the governement's job to take care of you, while the people on the right think you should take care of yourself.

assuming you live in Sweden because of the flag, but again STOP comparing USA to any European county as it IS NOT even remotely the same.

Sweden is a very nice place, I've been there I loved it, go visit Detroit and then lest see how you feel.

It's not just Sweden though. Like I have said.

As much as pro guns people are, in fact, absolutely HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE in their argumentation, you're pretty much their opposite with that comment.

If you remove guns from people, they'll use knives, forks, whatever they can to kill. If they want to kill, they'll find a way, guns or no guns. If your neighbor wants you dead, he'll kill you by any mean he can, whether you live here where guns are arguably illegal or in the middle of Texas.

You can argue that the safety around guns in the US is laughable as *** (it is), but you can hardly argue that guns kill people. That's just logic.

Obviously, it'll remove ways of people dying stupidly (like this baby girl killing herself with a gun handed by her mom or those middle schooler shooting each others over lollipops), that's where you'd be right, but to a certain degree only.

So many arguments for and against guns anyway, you wouldn't be able to discuss it in a neutral way around here. Just don't be an extreme. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Hmm... still no word (on ABC) on the description of the suspects, even though they've mentioned 2 suspects have been caught (at least one dead).

You don't need a gun to take care of yourself pretty much ever. In the rare situation when you might, you don't need 20 assault rifles. That's what moderates think.

very respectable way to put it. I like is guy.

I hate to mention this but at many gun shows you can buy a simple kit to convert "civilianized" assault rifles to full auto. A friend used to sell them.

And you don't need to register long guns in the vast majority of this country.

All we know is they targeted a particular party.

Lots of people have hunting rifles in Sweden and there are a lot of guns in Europe yet we still don't have the same kind of crimes. We don't get mass shootings and gun violence is very often between criminals. We don't get the random gun violence and we don't need guns to protect ourselves. That's what we have the police for.

Mental health, prison, education, healthcare all needs to improve to lower the amount of crime. There will still be crazies but it would improve life for so many people who would turn to a life of crime otherwise.

News lady is trying to get Jose's (bystander) video (from his phone) of the gun battle that stopped at least two of the suspects.

I heard they are angry Republicans upset about ISIS.

I own many guns. I carry a pistol with me almost daily, its a glock 43. Do I expect trouble, no but I am damn well going to be prepared for it. I do not expect a fire in my house but I own a fire extinguisher as well. If I was in a situation where my family or anyone was for that matter in danger and I could possibly stop it and save myself or others, you bet your *** I would.

This lady is answering every question with "I don't know" or "I don't have that information." Come back at 4:45 she keeps saying. Very informative.

You can buy a lot of stuff at a gun show that you shouldn't have. No one needs a full auto Glock with a 30 round magazine but I'll be damned if you can't get the stuff to have one at a gun show.

Full auto seems like a waste of ammo to me though.

But CA has strict gun laws does not compute !

yes, there are lots of terrorist like occorances which you are categorizing as just gun violence, Europe has its fair share of terrorist like attacks.

one more thing, police cannot keep you safe all the time. you are a healthy person I'm sure, but you still occasionally get sick and your body responds to fight the sickness, the police are the same way, they can't protect you from everything that is up to you, but when somthing bad happens they are there to take over, they are not your bodyguard, you are the main element in your own safety.

She must work for SE !

At this point I'd rather hear more about the incident than P&R gun debate #812. Maybe if we'd discuss very specific solutions that could actually happen rather than "guns r gud" "guns r bad", it might be worth our time for once. In the meantime, what's actually going on is far more interesting.

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Mom just emailed me to say she's fine. She met my uncle for lunch, and he lives considerably closer to where the shooting occurred than Mom does.

She almost took Waterman Ave. home but decided to take the next main street instead. That route still got slowed down considerably, but at least she didn't get stuck on the road where it happened.

Thanks to those of you who sent well-wishes my way.

I'm pretty sure it was ISIS I can't confirm is so it has to be true.

Can't be ISIS, Obama said they were just the JV team.

That sounds like a challenge that I'm up for !

What if these people stabbed them then shot them just to be sure they were dead !