Voren said: »
Does it look a bit suspicious? A little perhaps.
Tell me, does this look like a bomb to you?
14yo Arrested Bringing Homemade Clock To School
14yo arrested bringing homemade clock to school
So, you admit that it looks suspicious, but you think that the teacher (not bomb squad, there was no bomb squad involved in this case) overreached?
Tell me, does this look like a bomb to you?
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
His parents, look up their work in near extreme methods to bring attention to their cause. Nothing in terms of definitive proof though.
Aeyela said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
He makes a good case on how non-creative the clock was.
I agree with this, if we allowed children's minds to wonder and learn what they want to learn I personally feel we would have more passing grades in schools as well as more college applications sent in.
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Asura.Omnijuggernaut said: »
Aeyela said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
He makes a good case on how non-creative the clock was.
I agree with this, if we allowed children's minds to wonder and learn what they want to learn I personally feel we would have more passing grades in schools as well as more college applications sent in.
Sure, you may get a very select few who actually try, but most kids, especially when they get to middle/high school level, give up on trying to learn and only do so because they have to.
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Now, proof has to be made that the kid knowingly brought that clock to school with the intent to use it as a hoax bomb. That would be hard to prove, but evidence is against him for his "self-manufactured clock" that's really just removing the insides of a clock and putting it into a briefcase-style pencil box, and tying it with wires to make it look like a bomb....
I dont rly see how one can claim that he made it look like a bomb because it was in a briefcase. Briefcases are not bombs, they are briefcases. Now there may be actually terrorists that have disguised bombs to look like briefcases, but that does mean every person with a briefcase is now a suspect terrorist. (Tho could make an argument for those wall st ***..) How about the one that disguised a bomb as a shoe? By the very same 'logic' now anyone with shoes is a suspect terrorist. - As for a few wires; its a clock. They all have wires or components. Thats how they work.
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The one thing however which we havnt heard (or at least i havnt) was what this kid said in school. The school/police want to call it a bomb hoax. Imo, for that to be true the kid had to directly indicate that his briefcase was in fact a bomb. If he did, then the police might have some ground to stand on. But if he made no such indications, then carrying around a briefcase is absolutely not a bomb hoax. Its just ppl over reacting or simply being wrong (neither of which the kid is responsible for in this case).
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Asura.Omnijuggernaut said: »
Aeyela said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
He makes a good case on how non-creative the clock was.
I agree with this, if we allowed children's minds to wonder and learn what they want to learn I personally feel we would have more passing grades in schools as well as more college applications sent in.
Sure, you may get a very select few who actually try, but most kids, especially when they get to middle/high school level, give up on trying to learn and only do so because they have to.
Thats actually true. Many kids dont give a damn about learning anything. As long as they have a cell phone that will make pancakes and rub there balls, they're happy. - On the other hand tho, it doesnt take a genius (or a mediocre teacher) to realize a kid that is actively trying to learn things and proceed to encourage it.
Kid also showed some commercial USB hub he soldered some wires to and called it an invention.
Maybe a USB mug heater?
Oh snap that was invented already.
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Voren said: »
Does it look a bit suspicious? A little perhaps.
Tell me, does this look like a bomb to you?
Nope, looks like a *** briefcase!
Can you tell us all that you are 100% positive that there has never been a briefcase bomb?
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Voren said: »
Does it look a bit suspicious? A little perhaps.
Tell me, does this look like a bomb to you?
Nope, looks like a *** briefcase!
Can you tell us all that you are 100% positive that there has never been a briefcase bomb?
I almost built a 'portable' desktop a few years ago. I was going to use a metal, locking briefcase I have as the shell for it. And then I realized that would probably look weird as all *** and I didn't want to have to deal with it. And then I realized that it'd still be a 'desktop' computer, and no one would like me lugging one of those into... wherever people go to sit on their laptops with the latest iThing and look smug.
Jetackuu said: »
Why would you care what idiots think?
I'd take a weird but awesome metal briefcase computer over the latest iSheep standard issue anytime.
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Asura.Omnijuggernaut said: »
Aeyela said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
He makes a good case on how non-creative the clock was.
I agree with this, if we allowed children's minds to wonder and learn what they want to learn I personally feel we would have more passing grades in schools as well as more college applications sent in.
Sure, you may get a very select few who actually try, but most kids, especially when they get to middle/high school level, give up on trying to learn and only do so because they have to.
I agree, few will want to learn and show additional interest in school. Put the desiring individuals in a program where the can learn while the rest follow the general school curricula. Eventually it will sort itself out, you will have the ones that should have govt. funded college classes, the ones that figure it out later on that apply for loans and grants and the ones that feel like flipping burgers later on in life.
From a post of mine on page 2.
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Among the weird knowledge I have picked up over the years is a considerable bit about explosives. It is possible to make a plastic briefcase* where the plastic parts are an explosive, the lining is C4, and for good measure the metal parts could be magnesium.
But it would still need a detonator.
*Think Samsonite
But it would still need a detonator.
*Think Samsonite
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Voren said: »
Does it look a bit suspicious? A little perhaps.
No, I think EVERYONE over reacted. You think for even half a second that if the kid was John Smith all this would have played out the same? If you think that man I got some sweet ocean front property in Wyoming to sell to you.
The next thing was to accuse him of a bomb hoax, you know, to cover their *** that they over reacted in the first place.
Use to be that teachers gave a kid a pat on the back for learning and focusing on education and creativity, now people are so damned scared of the boogeyman that they'll fry a kid first and then say "well...it could have been an explosive device" and call it a hoax to shift blame to the kid rather then owning their moment of ignorance.
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Tell me, does this look like a bomb to you?
Nope, looks like a briefcase, however there is something that upon first glance if out of place would make my pucker factor go from 0-100 in a second:
Having spoken with a few friends who were deployed in Iraq, had they seen something remotely resembling this, they would instantly assumed it was an IED, and taken appropriate precautions called in engineers to defuse or blow it up.
Voren, if you found that briefcase in a strange area wherein you would not expect a briefcase, making the briefcase suspicious, and objects like the briefcase, in your mind, due to your limited understanding and due to how the media portrays dangerous briefcases, and you lack the knowledge and equipment to deal with a dangerous briefcase, should this turn out to be one, and the risk to all those children around you on your hiking trip is sufficiently great if it is a dangerous briefcase, you call the people who are trained to deal with the situation, are more knowledgeable about it, and have the equipment to deal with it.
What's more interesting to me is it looks like the 'clock' was a clock he bought at the store, took the shell off of, and shoved in a pencil case, that I've heard allegations (though seen no proof, much as I have for much of his and his family's allegations) that the picture of him in handcuffs was staged after the fact by the sister, who works for a group with a particular vested political interest, and that during an interview, he appeared to be being coached by his sister on how to respond to questions he didn't have prememorized answers to.
Compound that with the children all over the country who do much, much more impressive things in the name of science and don't get invited to the White House, and this reeks of a manufactured outrage, much as people continued the "hands up, don't shoot" theory of the Michael Brown case even after the DoJ itself said, "Yeah, that didn't happen, and we can't actually charge Wilson with anything, since, while the department might be racist, he doesn't actually seem to have done anything wrong, and we really had a hard on for finding something to prosecute him for."
What's more interesting to me is it looks like the 'clock' was a clock he bought at the store, took the shell off of, and shoved in a pencil case, that I've heard allegations (though seen no proof, much as I have for much of his and his family's allegations) that the picture of him in handcuffs was staged after the fact by the sister, who works for a group with a particular vested political interest, and that during an interview, he appeared to be being coached by his sister on how to respond to questions he didn't have prememorized answers to.
Compound that with the children all over the country who do much, much more impressive things in the name of science and don't get invited to the White House, and this reeks of a manufactured outrage, much as people continued the "hands up, don't shoot" theory of the Michael Brown case even after the DoJ itself said, "Yeah, that didn't happen, and we can't actually charge Wilson with anything, since, while the department might be racist, he doesn't actually seem to have done anything wrong, and we really had a hard on for finding something to prosecute him for."
Asura.Ivlilla said: »
Voren, if you found that briefcase in a strange area wherein you would not expect a briefcase, making the briefcase suspicious, and objects like the briefcase
Because you don't expect a child taking a briefcase to school. Super suspicious, he must be a terrorist!
Asura.Ivlilla said: »
What's more interesting to me is it looks like the 'clock' was a clock he bought at the store, took the shell off of, and shoved in a pencil case, that I've heard allegations (though seen no proof, much as I have for much of his and his family's allegations) that the picture of him in handcuffs was staged after the fact by the sister
Groundless hearsay. I've heard the Police officer in question did this on purpose because the boy was Muslim. Seen no proof, as much as I have that the kid did it on purpose but hey, it's the internet, I shouldn't have to post a source for my racially motivated propoganda nonsense.
Asura.Ivlilla said: »
Compound that with the children all over the country who do much, much more impressive things in the name of science and don't get invited to the White House, and this reeks of a manufactured outrage, much as people continued the "hands up, don't shoot" theory of the Michael Brown case even after the DoJ itself said, "Yeah, that didn't happen, and we can't actually charge Wilson with anything, since, while the department might be racist, he doesn't actually seem to have done anything wrong, and we really had a hard on for finding something to prosecute him for."
Are you really implying that because he got an invite from the White House and some tech. giants that this was staged for said reason? Obama is probably ashamed of his police force for vilifying an innocent kid and wanted to do something to reverse some of the damage other people's prejudice has caused. As for the tech companies, well they're cashing in on a good PR chance. To imply the kid did this on purpose because of what happened after is just daft. As if he's sat at home thinking "I know, I'll make a bomb hoax, then I'll get to meet the president!"
What I want to know is, if authorities (principal, teacher, police, etc.) verily thought it was really a bomb; why the *** was the school not evacuated? I by no means know the typical protocol for such a situation, but from every single time someone makes a (fake) bomb threat anywhere remotely near a school, the entire building is evacuated while the police/bomb squad move in to inspect.
If there was any perceived threat of explosives, why was the school not evacuated first?
If there was any perceived threat of explosives, why was the school not evacuated first?
With each passing day I lose more and more interest in this story. Mainly since it seems like bar has been substantially lowered these days.
It used to be to show initiative and creativity to the point where the President of the United States invites you to the White House, you'd have to actually create something remarkable.
This is just some dirt cheap clock taken apart and displayed inside a suitcase. How or why people keep claiming this shows some kind of sign this kid may be the next Eisenstein and society needs to harness his intelligence and encourage his work, who knows?
I see no talent here, just feels.
It used to be to show initiative and creativity to the point where the President of the United States invites you to the White House, you'd have to actually create something remarkable.
This is just some dirt cheap clock taken apart and displayed inside a suitcase. How or why people keep claiming this shows some kind of sign this kid may be the next Eisenstein and society needs to harness his intelligence and encourage his work, who knows?
I see no talent here, just feels.
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
With each passing day I lose more and more interest in this story. Mainly since it seems like bar has been substantially lowered these days.
It used to be to show initiative and creativity to the point where the President of the United States invites you to the White House, you'd have to actually create something remarkable.
This is just some dirt cheap clock taken apart and displayed inside a suitcase. How or why people keep claiming this shows some kind of sign this kid may be the next Eisenstein and society needs to harness his intelligence and encourage his work, who knows?
I see no talent here, just feels.
It used to be to show initiative and creativity to the point where the President of the United States invites you to the White House, you'd have to actually create something remarkable.
This is just some dirt cheap clock taken apart and displayed inside a suitcase. How or why people keep claiming this shows some kind of sign this kid may be the next Eisenstein and society needs to harness his intelligence and encourage his work, who knows?
I see no talent here, just feels.
While I certainly understand where you're coming from, it's more a manner of being self-driven and motivated to do things and learn more, rather than the actual capacity or what it amounts to. This is of course if we disregard the allegations that this was all maliciously conceived to make a PR shitstorm. If that happens to be the case: Mission Accomplished. The whole reason why this is a big deal at all is because it's a perfect storm of inept judgment, xenophobia, and saving face for the sake of PR on a national level.
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
I see no talent here, just feels.
That's precisely what it is except the only feels nobody seems to give a ***is the kid's.
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
With each passing day I lose more and more interest in this story. Mainly since it seems like bar has been substantially lowered these days.
It used to be to show initiative and creativity to the point where the President of the United States invites you to the White House, you'd have to actually create something remarkable.
This is just some dirt cheap clock taken apart and displayed inside a suitcase. How or why people keep claiming this shows some kind of sign this kid may be the next Eisenstein and society needs to harness his intelligence and encourage his work, who knows?
I see no talent here, just feels.
It used to be to show initiative and creativity to the point where the President of the United States invites you to the White House, you'd have to actually create something remarkable.
This is just some dirt cheap clock taken apart and displayed inside a suitcase. How or why people keep claiming this shows some kind of sign this kid may be the next Eisenstein and society needs to harness his intelligence and encourage his work, who knows?
I see no talent here, just feels.
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Anna Ruthven said: »
I can understand encouraging creativity but it seems a bit much.
Most of the big names swooping on this have likely done so purely from a PR perspective, and have no real interest in either encouraging the youngster or the clock he made. I won't hastily fault them for this, but it's pretty evident that a lot of it is empty gestures purely to bulster their self image. In Obama's case, I think that was more a vindication that the officers in question made a terrible mistake and a very public invite to the White House did go some way in alleviating the tension over this issue. After all, this is not the first time recently that America's police force has been in the spotlight for allegedly racially motivated misdemeanors.
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Voren said: »
Does it look a bit suspicious? A little perhaps.
Tell me, does this look like a bomb to you?
Now take that briefcase and add a beeping sound to it does it still seem harmless to you? Let's add to the scene you are sat there in class doing your work, it's pretty quiet and only the teacher is talking and all of a sudden this briefcase starts making the beeping sound disturbing your quiet surroundings. Would you just sit there and not be bothered and carry on with your work like nothing is happening or would you be slightly suspicious of it?
Now let's take it from the teachers pov they are talking to the class and the beeping starts.... it's not a phone or a watch but it's a briefcase..... it's opened up and there's not a phone, watch or other device that would be in a briefcase to make this noise. There's an unlit LED clock display with wires poking out this is a school project as they would know about it so quickly they jump to conclusion and fear for the safety of the pupils at the school. With all the shootings and stuff thay happens in school im sure they would be pretty cautious. The child says it's just a clock but it doesnt really look like one and it resembles the movie bombs they have seen. Police are called and the child is taken off for questioning.
In the article the only reason they found it was because it started beeping in class. Honestly with all the ***that happens in schools over there I don't think the teacher overreacted at all. I'm pretty sure the boy was trying to turn it off as well so this is probably why the bomb squad wasn't called. Moral of the story is don't bring something into school that looks like a bomb from a movie as it will get you into trouble.
If they feared for the safety of the school then they would have had it evacuated.
It doesn't look like a bomb. Also the kid had it in a pencil case, not a brief case.
It doesn't look like a bomb. Also the kid had it in a pencil case, not a brief case.
Voren said: »
No, I think EVERYONE over reacted. You think for even half a second that if the kid was John Smith all this would have played out the same?
"Look, the kid's brown, so the cops are obviously racist!"
Voren said: »
The next thing was to accuse him of a bomb hoax, you know, to cover their *** that they over reacted in the first place.
Voren said: »
Use to be that teachers gave a kid a pat on the back for learning and focusing on education and creativity, now people are so damned scared of the boogeyman that they'll fry a kid first and then say "well...it could have been an explosive device" and call it a hoax to shift blame to the kid rather then owning their moment of ignorance.
I don't know about you, but taking something that somebody else made and claiming it as your own invention is dishonest at best.
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