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September Version Update
Serveur: Sylph
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By Sylph.Safiyyah 2015-09-16 11:21:17
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »Melee are still straight up better than pet jobs on just about anything, they just require much more support than most players can bring around at this point in the game.
Then in the current state of the game they are not better.
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »Nothing wrong with mages being usable for the first time in 3 years.
Mages were nearly always useful (white mage, bard, geo buffs, sch stuns, rdm buffs/debuffs). It was just nuking that was extremely situational. And who cared? The 2 people on each server who still played black mage?
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »Seems pretty balanced to me, pet jobs could be nerfed a little bit more due to the lack of coordination required when using them, but I'm guessing the range nerf will accomplish that anyway.
I think it will, yeah. The big advantage of using BSTs was not having to worry about support and deaths. Now that's been cut down, plenty of AoE with 10+ yalm range.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2015-09-16 11:24:03
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »Melee are still straight up better than pet jobs on just about anything, they just require much more support than most players can bring around at this point in the game.
Then in the current state of the game they are not better. More damage per body when using an ideal melee setup than when using an ideal pet setup. That sounds better to me, pets have always been a slower/lowman option. Mages have always been a safer lowman option. These adjustments are pretty much balancing back toward the way 75 days were.
Quote: It was just nuking that was extremely situational. And who cared? The 2 people on each server who still played black mage? Nuking is part of the games design, and you can't say it's unbalanced or poor design to cater to everyone. Plenty of people like BLM and other nuke jobs for many reasons, it's historically always been a part of FFXI. This is just a 'me and my needs' thought.
By Aeyela 2015-09-16 11:24:03
The change to Summoner was essential. Having to run in to AoE range on any high level battlefield to blood pact was a potential death every time. We're made of paper, and often one AoE from any of them was enough to one shot me with full buffs up.
Considering the last time I was playing this game I could Blood Pact from 20', it was quite a brutal thing to come back too and one I am thoroughly glad has been reversed.
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By Asura.Omnijuggernaut 2015-09-16 11:27:18
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »re: Wikis
Let's all just be grateful we have multiple sources of information. I use FFXIClopedia(Wikia) and BG Wiki extensively, there are strengths to both. Arguing about them is silly.
The work done on both wikis is awesome and benefits us all, there's no need to look down on either.
To be honest I look down on clopedia and rightfully so IMO due to its history of being sold (good drama story there), split into GE over nonsense which drastically cut the quality of it, the horrid ad infested wikia experience, and the fact that we are at a point in this game where we don't need 3 2 wikis dividing up productivity.
Want a treat? Try to read FFXI Wikia on an iPad or iPhone without adblocking. Fun fun stuff.
But yeah, BGWiki could use a little bit of work, especially on the mission pages. I still use both sites but I wish I could just move to BGWiki exclusively.
Asura.Omnijuggernaut said: »No, I mean the whole Occasionally attacks twice or thrice. Unless they plan to upgrade Kogarasumaru, that's a pretty big slap in the face to mythic SAMs.
And if they upgrade Kogarasumaru, they need to upgrade all the other mythics.
I know these don't have twice or thrice, but neither does macbain and look what that did to ragnarok.
Poor liberator holders.
Ragnarok and Liberator are in two very different situations. Liberator has OAT/Thrice and can trigger on WS. Those scythes don't obsolete Liberator even though they have quite a bit more base damage.
Yeah we are discussing it in the ls now, might be a close one, lib may still pull ahead if you full time it all. Swapping them out, lib looks like might lose.
 Lakshmi.Chilzen
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By Lakshmi.Chilzen 2015-09-16 11:29:28
Has this been discussed yet in terms of where it's obtained? I'm assuming it's from Promathia, but you never know.
Just checking, but there isn't some Super AV or something with this update in Zitah Ru'ann, is there?
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2015-09-16 11:30:23
There is a Super AV named mob with wynavs in the dat for ru'aun.
However, someone's already been spotted with the doublet so I'm guessing it's from promathia.
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By Sylph.Safiyyah 2015-09-16 11:30:58
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »Quote: It was just nuking that was extremely situational. And who cared? The 2 people on each server who still played black mage? Nuking is part of the games design, and you can't say it's unbalanced or poor design to cater to everyone. Plenty of people like BLM and other nuke jobs for many reasons, it's historically always been a part of FFXI. This is just a 'me and my needs' thought.
But it is currently unbalanced. This game's mechanics strongly favor ranged damage- amnesia, encumbrance, deadly AoE spam, etc. The trade-off should be lower damage or situational usage or both.
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2015-09-16 11:33:20
The tradeoff is needing much better gear to be able to use mages than pet jobs. It might not be perfect, but it's not terrible either.
Melee have the best output, but require high gear and high support.
Mages have slightly worse output, but require high gear and medium support.
Pet jobs have the lowest output, but require medium gear and medium support.
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Cerberus.Avalon
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By Cerberus.Avalon 2015-09-16 11:38:29
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »There is a Super AV named mob with wynavs in the dat for ru'aun.
However, someone's already been spotted with the doublet so I'm guessing it's from promathia.
Hmm, okay thanks Bro.
Caitsith.Mahayaya
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2015-09-16 11:54:38
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Knowing the history of why things exist or what happened would be important.
Honestly, no, it's not important. I could not care two hoots about any drama from or between the owners. Whichever site has the information I need I will use, and that means I use both of them extensively. Anyway, enough of that.
Delve monsters are ludicrous now. One Grand Fall took off 4% of Tojil's HP.
How many did you enter with?
By Aeyela 2015-09-16 11:55:05
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Knowing the history of why things exist or what happened would be important.
Honestly, no, it's not important. I could not care two hoots about any drama from or between the owners. Whichever site has the information I need I will use, and that means I use both of them extensively. Anyway, enough of that.
Delve monsters are ludicrous now. One Grand Fall took off 4% of Tojil's HP.
How many did you enter with?
3. BST, BST, SMN. One BST subbing /DNC was getting wrecked so hard.
By Draylo 2015-09-16 11:59:35
Yeah we went BLU RUN THF to Tojil and all those NMs had like no HP lol. It is kinda fun still but yeah I don't expect those items to stay pricey anymore.
By Ramyrez 2015-09-16 12:17:42
Because I'd *** loathe for this game's end legacy to be blue mages tearing things up forever.
Mighty Guard is ridiculous. Blue mage has always had uses, even at its lower points, but it's legitimately overpowered now.
And again, re: Wikis - let's stay on topic.
Sorry. Pet jobs and BLU*.
Oddly I always lumped them in with pet jobs even though they're not pet jobs at all.
But they were always in that quasi-useless-to-regular-parties area.
inb4 "lol u just dont no how 2 use them."
They are not, and have never, been party/ally friendly. You could make them work if you had a friend that loved the jobs, and that's fine, but they were not ideal.
They're just overpowered and unbalancing parties in other ways.
And they're sooooo lame from a storyline/thematic standpoint. ._.;
All just my own feelings on them. I know (most) everyone loves tearing things' faces off without regard for any sort of dedication to a specific job or story line. MMOrp G, to be sure.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-09-16 12:21:38
Waited years for BLU to be top dog after having to watch SAM, WAR, RNG clean house.
In the end, the monsters won the game of thrones!
By Ramyrez 2015-09-16 12:26:42
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Waited years for BLU to be top dog after having to watch SAM, WAR, RNG clean house.
In the end, the monsters won the game of thrones!
Corrupt Imperial scum!
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By Draylo 2015-09-16 12:27:06
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Cerberus.Anjisnu
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-09-16 12:28:04
so many better ways to nerf bst and they chose to be sloppy as *** about it
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By Ramyrez 2015-09-16 12:28:28
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-09-16 12:28:29
Some people like it sloppy.
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Cerberus.Anjisnu
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-09-16 12:29:53
somewhere there is a potato covered in sour cream joke just waiting
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 Asura.Ghanni
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By Asura.Ghanni 2015-09-16 12:30:58
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »Asura.Floppyseconds said: »Knowing the history of why things exist or what happened would be important.
Honestly, no, it's not important. I could not care two hoots about any drama from or between the owners. Whichever site has the information I need I will use, and that means I use both of them extensively. Anyway, enough of that.
Delve monsters are ludicrous now. One Grand Fall took off 4% of Tojil's HP.
How many did you enter with?
3. BST, BST, SMN. One BST subbing /DNC was getting wrecked so hard. Did the other BST go /NIN?
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By Asura.Carrotchan 2015-09-16 12:37:26
Anyone getting this weird glitch? lol It's really funny, so I don't care :O He'll randomly turn into a chocobo/hume and back into an elvaan
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By Phoenix.Frankbrodie 2015-09-16 12:41:17
so many better ways to nerf bst and they chose to be sloppy as *** about it
Part of me wonders whether the ready distance nerf isn't just to stop BST's ripping Besieged to pieces with unleashed Bertha's etc. before the horde even gets through the gate.
Making BST's stand nearer to NM's is obviously their intention. To heighten the risk factor.
Someone forgot to remind them that they put BST on the Twilight set.
As I have so often said when doing stuff with/for people.. "I may get knocked down.. But I will surely get back up again.."
To misquote Chumbawumba lol. (not the Taru in the limit break cs. The actual band)
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By Asura.Failaras 2015-09-16 12:41:29
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Waited years for BLU to be top dog after having to watch SAM, WAR, RNG clean house.
In the end, the monsters won the game of thrones! I mean, Blu has been OP as far as melee DD go for a while now. This new spell is just absurd really.
Quote: The tradeoff is needing much better gear to be able to use mages than pet jobs. It might not be perfect, but it's not terrible either.
Melee have the best output, but require high gear and high support.
Mages have slightly worse output, but require high gear and medium support.
Pet jobs have the lowest output, but require medium gear and medium support. I feel like melee are both in one really. If I'm doing super low man strats, being able to rely on trusts to buff me with March/Chaos is really nice. As a Mage, things just aren't that great without at least a Geo meaning you do need at least 1 buffer and trusts don't count.
By Draylo 2015-09-16 12:42:53
Anyone getting this weird glitch? lol It's really funny, so I don't care :O He'll randomly turn into a chocobo/hume and back into an elvaan
Seems to be related to blinkmenot
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By Fenrir.Richybear 2015-09-16 12:44:33
I know it's a step back to "ye olde" content and not the newer stuff, but has anyone heard/seen what the Skirmish +1 augment campaign thing is about?
I kinda figure it was just higher chance at better augs on Hagondes +1 etc, but you never know with how they word things if it meant max augs were increased or something.
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By Asura.Cyleena 2015-09-16 13:04:39
Anyone getting this weird glitch? lol It's really funny, so I don't care :O He'll randomly turn into a chocobo/hume and back into an elvaan
BMN is turning people into different char it seems (female char to male char) etc. Unload BMN if you have it on and it should be ok.
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