The Big FFXI Mess

Exactly what I expected to see. It’s so much easier to judge a voice than to use one. Why think at all when you can criticize? I’ve been bored seeing the posts of people saying the same dumb ***the person before them said. Are “QQ” and “butthurt” really a valid reason to post?? Also, everyone saying this kind of stuff is way off, sorry. It completely went over your head. Or you just didn’t read it and decided to post something pointless anyway.

I don’t read enough forums to fully comprehend “troll” or what it means to “troll”. But if it means to bait someone then it’s not an inaccurate way to describe what I was looking to do.

The article I posted is filled with good ideas about what we can do to improve our community, but it also has these sharp accusations and broad generalizations to get the attention of these players that thrive on conflict despite it’s counter productiveness.

So we had two choices upon reading this.

1. Engage in a discussion about the problems we have and what we should do about them.
2. Attack the poster, trying to win a flaming war.

Without hesitation we choose the latter in every forum, its remarkable.

http://www.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=125175480737147175&num=85&page=1

http://forums.ffxiclopedia.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=22313&sid=22f3db7af131e08ffaa1ece07fb5eb3f

http://killingifrit.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=179737

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/?topic_id=4728

Not only am I attacked personally, as illustrated in the article, people immediately criticize equipment, assuming that whoever wrote this has bad gear. We actually get to see M.I.M.S. in action.

I’d like to say thank you to all these geeks for their support in helping to prove my point and make the article come to life. I wish I had responded sooner so this guy hadn’t beaten me to it.

"By Kujata.Hrolandus 2009-09-01 02:01:17

So basically, most of you puffed up babies, instead of actually reading his full "article" which was insightful and pretty good, just spent all your time writing comments that proved him ridiculously right...

This was not a goodbye letter. This is a plea to improve the game, our game, as a whole. The response just goes to show that a solid 60% of the people that play this game are so deeply ridden with 'toolism' and douchebaggery that it will likely be impossible to excise it from you all without some sort of a exorcism. "We'll need an old white mage and a young white mage...."

Seriously you trolls; get an attention span and a conscientiousness of the world around you."

I didn’t write this for those people who don’t have the attention span to read a mere 10 pages. In fact I bullet pointed those wildly sharp points at the very start to help weed out these retards. I wrote it for the 15-20 people that actually sat down and read it in its entirety, understood what was going on, yes, even the subtle parts, and then thought about this stuff as we move into FFXIV. Not trying to change anyone’s life, just asking people to think about it.

My only complaint is that I’ve received all kinds of private messages and friend invites wanting to talk about it. Why not post? Don’t be afraid of conflict, that’s how things get accomplished.

The article is there, read it if you want, it’s got some good stuff in it. You can keep bashing me if you want too, it’s really interesting. I’ll see everyone for FFXIV.

You are the person you are demonizing. You call people who you don't agree with retards. Seems like a pretty elitist thing to do to me. Sure, there are people who have posted less than intelligent replies, but that's to be expected. It's the internet. There are those, however that have posted intelligent replies to your post. If these replies disagree with you, you call them retards or trolls. You are the problem you are crusading against. Prove me wrong.

I didn’t write this for those people who don’t have the attention span to read a mere 10 pages. In fact I bullet pointed those wildly sharp points at the very start to help weed out these retards.

You are the person you are demonizing. You call people who you don't agree with retards. Seems like a pretty elitist thing to do to me. Sure, there are people who have posted less than intelligent replies, but that's to be expected. It's the internet. There are those, however that have posted intelligent replies to your post. If these replies disagree with you, you call them retards or trolls. You are the problem you are crusading against. Prove me wrong.

Now... Read that part over carefully. Who is he calling a retard? "these retards" refers to the people that cannot "read a mere 10 pages". This isn't an attack on you by any means, I don't mean to insult you. I'm merely using your post as an example on what most people are doing. Comprehension is important in stuff like this. A great deal of times it's easier to simply skim through and post a quick response, but in doing so, you miss the vital key points and supporting structure.

He wasn't insulting the people who disagreed there. (not to say that he hasn't or won't in the future, but this isn't a character defense.) He was simply referring to the people that pull a "too long; didn't read" outta their *** because they are lazy, or simply don't care, yet they post anyways.

I didn’t write this for those people who don’t have the attention span to read a mere 10 pages. In fact I bullet pointed those wildly sharp points at the very start to help weed out these retards.

I'm going to go have fun playing FFXI with my friends now, that's the only community in this game I actually care about..

have fun arguing about your community guys

My community is better then yours! It has hot asian+hot latina chicks in it!

Sweet! Can I hang out with you sometime?

Gotta be on Asura D=

The way we treat others in game and the way we carry ourselves.

If the playerbase continues to exclude the "fresh meat", eventually you will be playing on a very lonely server. Or, no server at all. The point is to bring in new players, and to help them be better so that you can do events with them later. Not drive them off before they hit Kazham.

Final Fantasy XI - It's like running a day-care full of mentally slow children.

I like this one better, hope you don't mind Kungfu. ^^

Those of us on locked servers will eventually be in this boat though. When your server is either re-opened, or merged with Asura... (hah! see what I did there... I keed. That's wrong to wish Asura on anyone. :P)*

So even though it doesn't currently apply to you, it will someday, and that's when you can choose to act on it.

I agree with the treat others how you wish to be treated ideal.

*I poke fun at Asura because I care. Not because I actually know anything about them. Just thought I would add that disclaimer in there before people pulled the hypocrite card on me :O

I mean i've been playing this game for 6 years on Bahamut ;o, we are kinda a douchey server :O

I hear what you're saying, but I want to continue standing by my "gear is secondary to skill" statement. All the gear in the world can't help if you don't know what to cast and where to stand, when to stand and when to move, etc.

I've seen so many arguments about "if I had this single piece of gear, I could solo so-and so". I've yet to come across a single piece of gear that made the impossible, possible. Maybe this was because of my job choices. Mnk, Blm, and Nin maybe don't get that single piece of "uber gear". I might never know. :(

Edited! Gear is "situational"! That way, we can both be right ^^

think of it like this...Take my hammer...

my hammer is just a hammer, without my knowledge of how to use a hammer, it would just sit there in my toolbox.