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 Cerberus.Darkvlade
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By Cerberus.Darkvlade 2018-08-07 12:44:31
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Hello peeps, Just finished Nirvana 119 no AG, read somewhere in here that dont need tother than for looks, but anyway got a question about damage.

I need to rework my smn, yesterday on fodder mobs reisen by gob, ramuh VS was hitting for about 18k, ifrit was doing flaming 60~84k, used nirvana on both tests. Below is my lua, any pointers will be appreciated, I copied some of Perga, but looks like my VS are still lacking.

https://pastebin.com/cUw2arhG

Thanks in advance
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By Asura.Pergatory 2018-08-07 13:01:42
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Needs Apogee Slacks path D. Also the Lua you posted still has Gridarvor, hopefully you've changed that in your actual Lua.

Your Flaming Crush build shows you already have Apogee Slacks +1, I'd suggest making those path D and you can use them for both physical & Flaming. (For Flaming, path A and path D are pretty close value-wise.)

Honestly though with no Frailty, 18k isn't that far off the mark if no multi-attacks procced. You should see it spiking higher, though, especially with all that Helios.
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By Cerberus.Darkvlade 2018-08-07 13:08:13
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Im pretty sure I did but will take a look when I get back home, so basically use nirvana for both physical and magic Bp?

Apoggee slacks are path D, I read that on one your post Perga
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By Asura.Pergatory 2018-08-07 13:16:10
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No, Nirvana for both physical and Flaming. Continue using Espiritus (or even better, Grioavolr) for magic.

Sounds good on the slacks, put those in your Volt Strike set and damage should go up a little. Otherwise the set looks ok.
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By Cerberus.Darkvlade 2018-08-07 13:59:25
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Thank you Sir
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By trinironnie 2018-08-07 17:50:29
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Can someone post an updated BP-delay for master SMN? I'm @ 23 seconds >.> i think.
set name="BP-Delay">
<main>Nirvana</main>
<sub>Vox Grip</sub>
<ammo>Sancus Sachet +1</ammo>
<head>Beckoner's Horn +1</head>
<body>Con. Doublet +3</body>
<hands augment="M1413">Glyphic Bracers +1</hands>
<legs>Beck. Spats +1</legs>
<feet augment="D8195132444420">Apogee Pumps +1</feet>
<neck>Incanter's Torque</neck>
<waist>Lucidity Sash</waist>
<ear1 augment="S3938339">Moonshade Earring</ear1>
<ear2>Etiolation Earring</ear2>
<ring1>Evoker's Ring</ring1>
<ring2>Stikini Ring</ring2>
<back augment="S7957970954457218543">Campestres's Cape</back>
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By Shiva.Berzerk 2018-08-07 18:03:58
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Timers is saying 20s, but i think there's a delay so 21s probably:
Edit: added back/waist pieces, re-checked and it's saying 21 now, so.. think that's lowest I can get it to go.
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    sets.precast.BloodPactWard = {
		ammo="Sancus sachet +1",
		head="Beckoner's horn +1",
		body="Baayami robe",
        hands="Baayami cuffs +1",
        back="Conveyance cape",
        waist="Kobo obi",
		legs="Baayami slops +1",
		feet="Baayami sabots",
		neck="Caller's Pendant",
		left_ring="Evoker's Ring",
		right_ring="Stikini ring +1",		
	}
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By Tarage 2018-08-08 03:45:36
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I have a question on the occult acumen set. If you aren't engaged, how does store TP help with TP gain? Does it trigger off of the TP gained from occult acumen?
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By Siren.Kyte 2018-08-08 04:03:02
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It affects the TP gained from spells, yes
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By trinironnie 2018-08-08 09:13:08
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I'll need 4 of the new pieces to go down two seconds >.<?
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By Asura.Pergatory 2018-08-08 09:56:05
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trinironnie said: »
I'll need 4 of the new pieces to go down two seconds >.<?
Yes, you need 670 skill and it's not easy to get. You need 4/5 Baayami and Stikini Ring, and one of those five things needs to be HQ. (I suggest Baayami Sabots or Stikini.)

That said, you should be able to get down to 22 without a lot of trouble. I think that only requires 512 skill.

Edit: Looking at your set, I think you probably have enough skill but might be lacking BP Recast 2. Espiritus should get you there.
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By Tarage 2018-08-12 03:35:15
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Ragnarok.Phuoc said: »
Elizabet said: »
ItemSet 360387

I'm assuming as a SMN casting Impact you'd want as much MACC as possible while getting some Occult Acumen. Merlinic hands / feet can get +10 Occult Acumen. Campestres's can slap Store TP +10 on what would otherwise be an idle / DT / "pet engaged dt or atk but not a BP" cape .

Edit: Obvious weapons locked Derpity derp. Thanks Tarowyn ^^: Also changed to Store TP options.

Was sleeping yesterday when he requested a set and yes, this one look very good, impact all the things!

Okay I just did this only missing the Telos earring but with +11 on both the hands and feet AND Khatvanga, and from casting from 0 I got 875... that's not enough to pull off a WS, let alone a "Myrkr on demand" because I only got 471 back.

I'm not sure if I'm doing this wrong or if you guys are wrong, but something isn't adding up here.
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By Valefor.Sapphire 2018-08-12 03:51:21
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471mp back when you finally get 1k sounds low, are you sure your myrkr set is actually swapping to maxMP gear and not staying in an engaged/default ws set?
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By Tarage 2018-08-12 05:20:56
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Valefor.Sapphire said: »
471mp back when you finally get 1k sounds low, are you sure your myrkr set is actually swapping to maxMP gear and not staying in an engaged/default ws set?

Yeah when talking to my LS I discovered that. Again, this was mostly just testing. If this is viable I have to hit 1000, and so far it's just not there.
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By Asura.Topace 2018-08-12 21:40:09
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BPD+6 Pet: Macc+8 MAB+22 on grio does that beat espirtus? Getting conflicted answers.
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By Elizabet 2018-08-12 22:26:43
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Asura.Topace said: »
BPD+6 Pet: Macc+8 MAB+22 on grio does that beat espirtus? Getting conflicted answers.

I would pick which ever is more MACC if you're fighting anything not CP fodder that your are using magic pact for.
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By Asura.Pergatory 2018-08-13 00:04:05
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Asura.Topace said: »
BPD+6 Pet: Macc+8 MAB+22 on grio does that beat espirtus? Getting conflicted answers.
It's better than path C Espiritus outright.

Compared to path A, it depends on your gear, but with my gear the Espiritus would be about 1% stronger than the Grioavolr, without accounting for resists. At that point you're looking at a loss of 28 magic accuracy for that 1% damage, though. I agree with Elizabet, the Grio looks good.
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By Asura.Topace 2018-08-13 08:21:20
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Yea just going to turn espirtus into smn skill staff and use grio for mean time. Still CPing smn so no like i'll be using it on anything worthwhile and try for better augs.
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By Asura.Frod 2018-08-13 17:36:57
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Tarage said: »
Ragnarok.Phuoc said: »
Elizabet said: »
ItemSet 360387

I'm assuming as a SMN casting Impact you'd want as much MACC as possible while getting some Occult Acumen. Merlinic hands / feet can get +10 Occult Acumen. Campestres's can slap Store TP +10 on what would otherwise be an idle / DT / "pet engaged dt or atk but not a BP" cape .

Edit: Obvious weapons locked Derpity derp. Thanks Tarowyn ^^: Also changed to Store TP options.

Was sleeping yesterday when he requested a set and yes, this one look very good, impact all the things!

Okay I just did this only missing the Telos earring but with +11 on both the hands and feet AND Khatvanga, and from casting from 0 I got 875... that's not enough to pull off a WS, let alone a "Myrkr on demand" because I only got 471 back.

I'm not sure if I'm doing this wrong or if you guys are wrong, but something isn't adding up here.
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By Asura.Frod 2018-08-17 07:15:45
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Finally bought draumstafir. No hidden stats, no mab (yet).

Only noteworthy thing is the 50 macc. That puts it what, 2nd behind a high aug'd grio?
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By Asura.Toralin 2018-08-17 08:43:36
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Asura.Frod said: »
Finally bought draumstafir. No hidden stats, no mab (yet).

Only noteworthy thing is the 50 macc. That puts it what, 2nd behind a high aug'd grio?
Good test :)
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By zaxtiss 2018-08-17 09:20:31
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trinironnie said: »
Can someone post an updated BP-delay for master SMN? I'm @ 23 seconds >.> i think.
set name="BP-Delay">
<main>Nirvana</main>
<sub>Vox Grip</sub>
<ammo>Sancus Sachet +1</ammo>
<head>Beckoner's Horn +1</head>
<body>Con. Doublet +3</body>
<hands augment="M1413">Glyphic Bracers +1</hands>
<legs>Beck. Spats +1</legs>
<feet augment="D8195132444420">Apogee Pumps +1</feet>
<neck>Incanter's Torque</neck>
<waist>Lucidity Sash</waist>
<ear1 augment="S3938339">Moonshade Earring</ear1>
<ear2>Etiolation Earring</ear2>
<ring1>Evoker's Ring</ring1>
<ring2>Stikini Ring</ring2>
<back augment="S7957970954457218543">Campestres's Cape</back>
alright everyone so i'm a fresh smn extremly noob at it.
a couple questions for you all.
i thought the recast was capped at 30 seconds BP delay 1 / 2 15 each.
is there something we can do to get it lower?
also for FC i thought the best combo was a mix of BP dmg + and DA but the guide has crit hit rate on it not DA.
so whats best?
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By Asura.Frod 2018-08-17 09:32:38
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Base is -15/-15 from gear and gifts. Then there is another 8 or so from avatar's favor tiers.

Double attack does nothing of note for flaming crush. You want blood pact damage and mab for pet.
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By zaxtiss 2018-08-17 09:36:17
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alright thanks!
does the avatar favour change through out its time being up or does skill only matter when i use it?
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By Asura.Frod 2018-08-17 09:41:57
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There is a charge up based on how long your avatar is out up to the tier of summoning magic skill you have. Once capped it changes dynamically when you swap gear. So you can precast a bloodpact in full skill gear and swap to bp gear and get the full timer reduction.
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By zaxtiss 2018-08-17 09:47:54
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right on Thanks Frod.
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By olson2189 2018-08-17 11:52:08
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Asura.Frod said: »
Finally bought draumstafir. No hidden stats, no mab (yet).

Only noteworthy thing is the 50 macc. That puts it what, 2nd behind a high aug'd grio?

Seems worth. Solid purchase.
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By Asura.Frod 2018-08-17 12:58:50
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olson2189 said: »
Asura.Frod said: »
Finally bought draumstafir. No hidden stats, no mab (yet).

Only noteworthy thing is the 50 macc. That puts it what, 2nd behind a high aug'd grio?

Seems worth. Solid purchase.

I'm banking on it becoming best in slot magic pact staff, or getting some other goodies via augment in september. I now have all 5 staves ready and waiting for the september augmenting system.
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By Shiva.Hiep 2018-08-17 19:22:08
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Does anyone have a 50 PDT set without swapping out Nirvana/Elan Strap?
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By Asura.Lanun 2018-08-17 22:38:51
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This is what I use. Having Udug allows you to maintain Sancus+1 over Staunch+1, though that's just a personal preference depending on situation. Feet are just for a bit of extra refresh, don't even necessarily need DM augment on the hands, just there as an option. Without Udug can swap out cape for PDT-10% from ambu cape and throw on Inyanga Body +2 for the MDT/meva then Staunch+1.

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