Ninja Equipment Sets (April 2015)

Adhemar vs Herc is about a 4% difference in TP/hit before the STP, and the concept of an x-hit on a dualwield job is horribly outdated. Variances in TP return on WS meaningfully impact average rounds/WS. Daken amplifies this, as shuriken TP will differ from katana TP. Small changes in TP/hit can and will have measurable effects on average rounds/WS. Playing around with different weapons/weaponskills and gearsets in the spreadsheet, including variations with and without mythic AM3, even an unaugmented Herc vest is usually about a 3-3.5% reduction in average rounds/ws. There are some delay/stp/weaponskill combinations in which that advantage is reduced, but also some where it's increased slightly.

If hitrate's capped then Rawhide path A is comparable, path D is better, well augmented Taeon is comparable, Ryuo path A is comparable, path C is better, Rao path B is better...

Adhemar's high accuracy is absolutely worth noting and should bear consideration when relevant, but when it's not it takes very little for Herc to overcome Adhemar. TA+1% is enough to ~match, 2% beats. No attack or stat+ augments included, and this is in a pDIF uncapped simulation. Extremely good Herc augs (DEX+10, TA+4, 25+ acc/attack) aren't just better, they're significantly better.

While that is certainly a nice set, and I presume he has the additional 40MD from Job Points, anybe even the additional +100 for Futae depending how far he has got with his Nin,

Would Gyve Doublet/Trouser's be better in their slot's, The Gyve Doublet also has a whopping INT+39?
For ammo, would something like Ghastly Tathlum (+1) or if not, I'm sure I saw an ammo with MAB+6 acc/att+13, or the down grade from that with MAB+5 on it?
For Waist I just got the Eschan Stone yesterday (very happy cor its BiS COR piece) but weather/day bonus's are not always going to be there sooo?
For Hands I have Taeon with MAB+20 Aug and swapping the AGL+9 to INT+9-10 on it which total 27MAB 7MACC and 18-20INT.
Feet I have the MAB+25 from Adhemar.

Thats without any Hercules (stayed away as I need all gil for relic) and will look forward to doing that once I am ready! I also need a relic (or Ochu's) before MAB's are worth using, and with the bonus head gives don't most ppl just go 5/5 ICE and 5/5 Fire to cover one light and one dark?

Is San that much better than Ni? I wasn't seeing anything near 60k with Ni and I've got a very similar set.

Also, about that neck piece, wouldn't Sanctity be better or is +10 Ninjutsu good?

The 60k was :San without using Futae. :Ni spell damage was not stated.

I get that, but I was getting 20k Ni in a similar set, so I was curious if San would pump up my numbers to at least 40k.

Just interested to see what all factors played here. Guessing with COR doing Leaden Salute, there was MAB roll and likely a GEO doing buffs as well. Plus, not sure if this was a 2 step Skillchain or more.

I'm a bit skeptic about 60k San spell without futae AND without a combination of malaise/acumen/int/warlock etc buffs.
And I also assume Innin (30% more damage is quite the boost)

The reason San hits so much harder than Ni is because of the Mochizuki Hatsuburi +1 and its augment. Not only does it have +30 MaB as a base but it also has a 25% straight damage increase, similar to Pixie Hairpin +1 on Death/Comet, if you are 5/5 in a merit category.

Skill factors in a lot moreso than MaB until you get some additional Ninjutsu Skill gifts, at which point MaB begins pulling ahead.

Apparently metsu, and other relics got a 10% increase in dmg with its Lv119 III. I did a test and gave Byrth some numbers and math it out to be 10%. Would have to do more testing later.

Anyway, to me it seems like a really good ws to just spam mainly now, for me at least. It had good numbers when I was playing around with it on Reisen T1 while farming for stones.

And that's not just a result of the increase of base damage of the weapon, right?

Nah its not.

Will test with Namas in a moment. Simpler to see with that.

Thanks, Samurai.

Er, forgot there was a new ratio cap. Well it does 8867 damage with:

382 base damage
82 fstr2
390 str + 241 agi (208 wsc)
2.75 ftp

No WSD% gear or fTP gorget/belt was used.

If anyone can math it out faster than I can go for it.

Yeah, numbers aren't adding up using the approximated new cap on BGWiki and don't know how to find the new cap myself either. If it helps at all, with the same above base damage and fstr2, normal ranged attacks were doing 1508 and criticals 1885.

Your normal hits are consistent with 3.25 pDIF and 1.25x crit modifiers. I thought ranged pDIF cap was 3.5 now? Strange... I can't get 8867 on Namas to line up at all though.

After some testing it doesn't have an extra 10% boost. Sorry guys! We just went off of what Langly had tested back in 2014 when they changed metsu and apparently it was just bad original data. A friend tested their mandau and resulted in no change either. My fault.

Was suspicious of the original testing. Do we know the correct values?

I am capable of mistakes here and there.

Was the report I gave in 2014 off by much?

I dunno really, its just what byrth said, you'd have to run it by him haha

Revisiting this. Formula is D*fTP*pDIF*relic bonus, in that order. We can work backwards from that, accomodating flooring along the way.

8867/1.4=6334
6334/3.25=1949
1949/2.75=709
709-382-82=245
(390+241)*0.4=252*0.85=214

So... 31 base damage unaccounted for. Alternatively, perhaps Namas fTP is (now?) 2.875 rather than 2.75? That would fit the data perfectly. Mind testing with a gorget or belt?

Testing by Tye of Lakshmi also backs up a 3.25 pDIF cap for throwing and archery, as posted by Byrth on BG. Interesting that they chose to differentiate marksmanship in such a manner.

Sure thing. Moment.

Yeah, ignore yesterday's testing, I see what I did wrong. I counted up my DEX as my secondary stat instead of AGI like a retard. 224 AGI, not 241.

In addition, doing math myself the numbers add up to 8867 exactly only if I ignore the alpha multiplication on the WSC. Perhaps this is a new thing for WSs?

To restate values for new test:

382 Base damage
82 fstr2
390 str 224 agi (245 wsc ignoring alpha)

3.25 ratio

2.75 ftp

No gorget: 8867

floor{floor[(382+82+245)*2.75]*3.25}*1.4 = 8867

With gorget: 9181

floor{floor[(382+82+245)*2.84765625]*3.25)*1.4 = 9181

Oh. Guess I'm late, lol.


Then yeah, nothing's changed. Apologies for the unnecessary confusion, but at least we learned the new archery pdif cap.

Huh. Didn't even know they did that.

But... they left it in for blue magic? Wat.

Which SET be best for TP on NIN ?


PATH C Katana (ACC+15 DMG:+15 ATK+15)
Ochu (DMG:+9 STR+4 DEX+6 Ninjutsu Skill+6)

PATH A Body and Hands (AGI+10 DEX+10 ACC+15)
Mantle (STR+1 DEX+2 Skillchain DMG+2% Weapon Skill DMG+4%)
Feet (ACC+10 ATK+19 Triple ATTACK +4%)

ItemSet 342081


OR

PATH C Katana (ACC+15 DMG:+15 ATK+15)
Ochu (DMG:+9 STR+4 DEX+6 Ninjutsu Skill+6)

PATH A Body (AGI+10 DEX+10 ACC+15)
Mantle (STR+1 DEX+2 Skillchain DMG+2% Weapon Skill DMG+4%)
Feet (ACC+10 ATK+19 Triple ATTACK +4%)
Hands (CAP) (ACC+15 R.ACC+15 Triple Attack+3% MDT-4%)

ItemSet 342082

OR

ItemSet 337232


Or

replace Aizushintogo with my other Ochu (STR+2 DEX+4 NINJUTSU +5)



Please help ><


Thank you :D

Just a quick Selkit question, I wantto solo in Reisenjima, and wondered if the Onca Suit would work against his Earthbreaker TP move and against the Mimic? Could easily add some more resist stun+1-10 to take to you resist Stun+100?

I'm honestly not sure but I didn't have much issue doing it without something like that. I find subbing DNC helps so you can quickly Poisona Apururu since she tends to do very stupid things when she has poison on.

Has it been determined how the attack bonus from Kikoku is calculated? I'm not sure if it's additive to modifiers like berserk or multiplicative.

Ok so I come here because I am unsure where else to ask. I finally got all the currency for relic, however I am undecided what to do. I know people keep saying get what you like! etc. This would be fine but I want to do the most dmg my gil allows me to haha, thats what i like.

I will never do mythic because I would not do katana anyhow over other options atm. Kannagi is a possibility though, I know atm its very expensive, but it could be a long term goal.

out of the 3 REM is there much of a difference? I have asked quite a few nins on my server and I get a mix of responses. One has afterglow emp and tells me somedays he thinks kik would outdo it. Another has a mythic afterglow and says it rocks, but the difference isnt big after update. I have yet to see a afterglow relic katan on my server, though I am positive one exists.

All the numbers in the past post are way outdated and are not afterglows3. I know one shows kik as #6 under very easy to get katanas, but again we are talking 10% attack and tons of base dmg now, im sure that moves relic into top 3 ya?

I also have my eye on relic h2h/dagger or possibly scyth. I am not wanting to upgrade and regret it, and could really do any relic atm since i go the currency saved for kik (one of the more expensive on my server)

Would like to get some opinion on these sets,

ItemSet 342252

Seeth. Bomblet +1 > Jukukik Feather
Rawhide Vest > Adhemar Jacket
Brutal Earring > Lugra Earring
Raja Ring > Epona or DEX
Apate Ring is temporary

Would switching to these better option?

Re: RMEs

I've played around with them a bit in the spreadsheet, but currently I only own the Empyrean AG. Personally, I think the Kikoku is the best all-around choice right now.

I think the Nagi got kinda shafted with the newest reforge. It went back to being lower DMG and higher delay like it was before 119. With how much DW gear is available now, it's value in making self-skillchains easier is greatly diminished. The enmity+ is often a detriment if you're trying to ride Innin. The magic accuracy is kinda nice if you're nuking, but you'd probably just be using Ochus if you're doing that.

From what I understand, the relic ODD/OTD is still 13%, so the 30% OTD on Kannagi means it'll have the best damage output on paper by a pretty big margin assuming you're keeping AM up.

The big thing though, is that given how groups function nowadays, it's probably not uncommon for you to be holding your TP pretty often, or using a non-AM WS etc.

If you're flying solo a lot then Kannagi is probably way better, though.