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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-18 08:06:49
I'm saying gauging people as dishonest just because they're a low-wage employee is a farce. And before you try to twist that about my take on corporate culture, please note I'm attacking the culture, not the individual people. Not all executives or corporations are greedy lying ***, but the overarching theme of corporate America is all of those things. You are judging a culture by a few bad apples. Most, and I mean greater than 95% of corporate executives are honest in their dealings with not only each other, but with the public in general. But no matter what evidence I can provide, you will not believe me at all.
No, they're qualified for those positions. As I stated, Walmart doesn't really like college-educated managers. Found that out the hard way. And I'm very happy for you that you think "just switching jobs" is always an option. Why are you focused on Walmart and college graduates? There are many management positions out there that do not require a degree in management. Mind you, they will all be lower-tier management and you will never go beyond that, but it still is a management position and will be a much better pay than mid-lower class.
Just because you graduated from college doesn't mean you have to work at Walmart...
No, you just don't have an understanding of "familial obligations" to some people. I don't agree with their actions in their situations, but I understand them. Then they cannot complain when they put themselves in a situation where they choose to be poor.
Is that 5% before or after their executives get paid ungodly amounts of money and bonuses? Let's expand on that then. In your mind, what is the amount of compensation you are willing to take for the level of stress and work it takes to be a CEO of a Fortune 500 company?
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-18 08:11:16
You are judging a culture by a few bad apples. Most, and I mean greater than 95% of corporate executives are honest in their dealings with not only each other, but with the public in general. But no matter what evidence I can provide, you will not believe me at all.
Honest, yes. But they're still greedy and treat people like ***.
Why are you focused on Walmart and college graduates? There are many management positions out there that do not require a degree in management. Mind you, they will all be lower-tier management and you will never go beyond that, but it still is a management position and will be a much better pay than mid-lower class.
Just because you graduated from college doesn't mean you have to work at Walmart...
Because that's where my experience was. I promise you, I was never content when I was there. I was constantly looking for better work. We're talking spending at least the amount of time I spent working each week over again on job searches, interviews, etc. But since you don't believe in geographical and familial reasons keeping someone tied to an area...
Let's expand on that then. In your mind, what is the amount of compensation you are willing to take for the level of stress and work it takes to be a CEO of a Fortune 500 company?
We'll use Walmart as an example.
When your hourly pay, with bonuses/etc. figured in, equates to more than some of your employees make in a year, you've taken it way, way, way too far.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-18 08:12:17
Didn't you once say you're a trust fund baby? If I remember that correctly, maybe you shouldn't be posting about jobs? Why would that have anything to do with, well, anything?
Are you saying that my knowledge of employee retention, morale, honesty, and resources are affected because I had money? Are you saying that my MBA and all of the knowledge associated with doing business is tarnished because of that?
So, as I sort of figured, you're viewing everything through the lens of treating people like numbers, removing any human element from employees and solely working on the idea of making a company as profitable as possible and reward those at the top while marginalizing those at the bottom. You are assuming that all companies treat their employees like Walmart and other low-wage employers do.
Guess what, Walmart only makes up less than a hundred thousanth of the total workforce in the US. That's .00001%. Are you going to say that every company doesn't reward their employees when the company does well that year?
Would you like for me to prove you wrong?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-18 08:14:14
I worked at an Exxon straight out of college. Walmart, pass.
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-18 08:15:16
Would you like for me to prove you wrong?
What I'd like is for you to acknowledge that there are millions of people in the employ of massive global corporations and they're not treated very well, all things considered, based solely on the fact that these corporations can get away with treating employees like crap.
Why would that have anything to do with, well, anything?
Are you saying that my knowledge of employee retention, morale, honesty, and resources are affected because I had money? Are you saying that my MBA and all of the knowledge associated with doing business is tarnished because of that?
Family connections? Not having to pay much, if anything, for college out of pocket? Getting a great start in life in general?
No one is saying you haven't worked hard, what we're asking for you to understand is that sometimes it takes a lot more than hard work.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-18 08:16:57
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-18 08:17:29
The immediate dismissal of the word "feels" is getting really *** old.
By Vudoku 2015-03-18 08:20:04
@KN, Ramy said exactly what I would have said with one minor exception; you ALWAYS (and yes I mean ALWAYS) speak as though you contain the perspective of all, I sir, question THAT!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-18 08:20:13
Honest, yes. But they're still greedy and treat people like ***. Wait, are you saying that only corporate officers treat other people like ***? I hate to break it to you, but humans treat other humans like ***. Why are you singling out a specific group?
Because that's where my experience was. I promise you, I was never content when I was there. I was constantly looking for better work. We're talking spending at least the amount of time I spent working each week over again on job searches, interviews, etc. But since you don't believe in geographical and familial reasons keeping someone tied to an area... I can't help you not wanting to expand your search for a better life beyond 5 miles. Even in an area where it is business unfriendly and jobs are moving out of that area because of the policies enacted by the local government.
I'm glad that not everyone thinks like you though. Although I don't like the immigration Texas is receiving from other states, I do enjoy not having to pay individual income tax because the state can depend on the Franchise Tax code for a significant amount of revenue. Heck, our rates are less than a 1% of gross income, and most companies pay much less than that. While Pennsylvania companies pay 9.9% and individuals pay 3.07%. Pennsylvania is one of the worst states when it comes to taxation...
We'll use Walmart as an example.
When your hourly pay, with bonuses/etc. figured in, equates to more than some of your employees make in a year, you've taken it way, way, way too far. How much work do you think he puts in then?
By fonewear 2015-03-18 08:21:45
Sir we are running out of feels "appeal to emotions damn it !"
By fonewear 2015-03-18 08:22:32
The immediate dismissal of the word "feels" is getting really *** old.
I know how you feel ! Wait no I don't but if I did I would know !
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-18 08:23:26
How much work do you think he puts in then?
Even if he literally sleeps and engages in self-care (showering, toileting, etc.) for 6 hours a day and works the other 18 he's not worth $16k+/hr.
No one is when people working under them require public assistance to augment their earnings.
Look, you come from a privelleged mindset and you're not going to change that mindset. Let's just accept that and move on.
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but humans treat other humans like ***. Why are you singling out a specific group?
What about my posting history makes you think I'm singling out this one specific group? I'm all about seeing people treat each other better. Even if some groups need to learn that lesson by force (see: ISIS, other religious zealots, rapists/murderers/etc.)
But, ahh, there are my feels again.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-18 08:30:23
What I'd like is for you to acknowledge that there are millions of people in the employ of massive global corporations and they're not treated very well, all things considered, based solely on the fact that these corporations can get away with treating employees like crap. I'll admit that a select few companies treat their employees like crap. You will never see me deny that Walmart is a ***place to work, and I keep saying that if you don't like it, don't work there and don't shop there.
I shop at places where employees aren't treated like ***, like the South Texas grocery chain HEB. Too many people there are longer-term employees, and are much more friendly and helpful than any Walmart employee I have seen. Their retention rates are also well above average for the industry they are in, and their customer service rating is also well above average for the industry they are in.
Why don't you admit that you are basing your viewpoints only on a few bad apples?
Family connections? Not having to pay much, if anything, for college out of pocket? Getting a great start in life in general?
No one is saying you haven't worked hard, what we're asking for you to understand is that sometimes it takes a lot more than hard work. I have never used my family's connections when it comes to my undergrad/graduate education, my current position, nor my future position after tax season is over. I expressly asked my father to not help me in any of these, and he has respected my wishes.
As for paying for my education, yes, I did so out of my own pocket. College was not inexpensive for me, and I did not receive any grants or scholarships except for academic scholarships.
It can be done, and most people need help to do so, but you don't have to have these connections and money to be successful in life. It is not a prerequisite...
@KN, Ramy said exactly what I would have said with one minor exception; you ALWAYS (and yes I mean ALWAYS) speak as though you contain the perspective of all, I sir, question THAT! Because he is attributing everyone in a specific group by the reporting of actions of a few...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-18 08:33:16
Even if he literally sleeps and engages in self-care (showering, toileting, etc.) for 6 hours a day and works the other 18 he's not worth $16k+/hr.
No one is when people working under them require public assistance to augment their earnings.
Look, you come from a privelleged mindset and you're not going to change that mindset. Let's just accept that and move on. So, you don't know.
What do you think an average CEO does all day?
What about my posting history makes you think I'm singling out this one specific group? Because of your anti-corporation rhetoric and your blind hatred towards the successful.
By fonewear 2015-03-18 08:34:19
TLDR Wal Mart is evil don't shop there !
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-18 08:35:26
Walmart quality just sucks. That's all the reason I had not to go there. You get what you pay for.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-18 08:36:18
Walmart quality just sucks. That's all the reason I had not to go there. You get what you pay for. That is exactly how and why they are able to sell ***so cheap, because the service is not there.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-18 08:39:39
Family connections? Not having to pay much, if anything, for college out of pocket? Getting a great start in life in general?
No one is saying you haven't worked hard, what we're asking for you to understand is that sometimes it takes a lot more than hard work.
I'll say it. Nobody who spends as much time posting on this site just to argue with everyone who dares to post in at the height of tax season isn't a "hard working" tax guy. That's like a tire guy having loads of free time right after the first snow, either they're not trying to be busy or they really suck at their job.
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By fonewear 2015-03-18 08:41:09
My tire guy hates Wal Mart too !
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-18 08:42:43
your blind hatred towards the successful.
You seem to have this assumption that I somehow lack personal success. A lot of conservative posters make that assumption, it seems. Like it's somehow assumed that if you want to see others doing better it means you yourself are not doing well.
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By fonewear 2015-03-18 08:44:33
This sounds like the corporate fat cats are at it again !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-18 08:44:58
Family connections? Not having to pay much, if anything, for college out of pocket? Getting a great start in life in general?
No one is saying you haven't worked hard, what we're asking for you to understand is that sometimes it takes a lot more than hard work.
I'll say it. Nobody who spends as much time posting on this site just to argue with everyone who dares to post in at the height of tax season isn't a "hard working" tax guy. That's like a tire guy having loads of free time right after the first snow, either they're not trying to be busy or they really suck at their job. Sure, whatever you say man.
How's McDonald's treating you? You should be able to tell us all sorts of anecdotes about how you are a slave of the system and all that.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-18 08:45:59
My tire guy hates Wal Mart too ! I once tried to take my moms van to Walmart to get a simple oil change. Hours later I ended up getting it for free cause they couldn't even do that right. Even the manager told me not to bring my van into Walmart for an oil change.
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By fonewear 2015-03-18 08:47:07
Well for vans you got to go to the van shop !
Van oil is special.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-18 08:47:43
The only thing I blame corporations for are turning parenting into a marketable skill.
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By Siren.Kuz 2015-03-18 08:47:55
Can we just replace waiters with robots already?
Its so annoying to have to tip people cause they have feelings that can get hurt.
Tipping culture in a service industry with inconsistent quality of service is annoying.
Sweden and Japan are my favorite places because tipping isn't expected and the service is consistently good.
Sorry I'm late to the conversation on this, and I've no intention to derail this thread.
Just the very second I read the above, this was all that came to mind!
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Now THAT is a good tipping system!
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By fonewear 2015-03-18 08:48:57
Parenting we have this new thing called a TV it raises your kids one cartoon at a time.
By fonewear 2015-03-18 08:51:28
Mr Pink from Reservoir dogs. On tipping is still the best though.
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By fonewear 2015-03-18 08:59:37
I only tip bartenders. I don't eat out very often.
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-18 09:08:06
I only tip bartenders. I don't eat out very often.
I got the impression that between your opinions you post and your self-described marginal success with women, you never eat out.
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Quote: In a few weeks, Seattle’s new, highest in the country, $15 per hour minimum wage will go into effect. Like many liberal policies, it was passed by City Hall with the best of intentions. The only problem is, in the end, it may do more harm than good for many.
Private businesses, unlike government entities (which, in theory, can always raise taxes or borrow), must make more than they spend in order to pay the rent, make payroll, keep the lights on, pay their business taxes, and, heaven forbid, have some left over for the owners and investors who are taking the risk and putting in the long hours.
Earlier this month, Seattle Magazine asked, Why Are So Many Seattle Restaurants Closing Lately?:
Last month—and particularly last week— Seattle foodies were downcast as the blows kept coming: Queen Anne’s Grub closed February 15. Pioneer Square’s Little Uncle shut down February 25. Shanik’s Meeru Dhalwala announced that it will close March 21. Renée Erickson’s Boat Street Café will shutter May 30 after 17 years with her at the helm…What the #*%&$* is going on? A variety of things, probably—and a good chance there is more change to come.
The magazine went on to report that one “major factor affecting restaurant futures in our city is the impending minimum wage hike.” Anthony Anton, president and CEO of Washington Restaurant Association, told the magazine, “It’s not a political problem; it’s a math problem.” He estimates that restaurants usually have a budget breakdown of about 36 percent for labor, 30 percent for food costs, and 30 percent to cover other operational costs. That leaves 4 percent for a profit margin. When labor costs shoot up to say 42 percent, something has to give.
Restaurants can take actions to adjust, such as raise their prices, acquire cheaper ingredients, and cut their operating hours and labor force. However, all those actions generate reactions from the public which can still lead to lower revenues for the restaurant and, for some, the decision to close their doors.
The Washington Policy Center explains:
When prices rise consumers seek alternatives, a behavior economists call the “substitution effect,” which results in lower demand for the higher-priced product. In the case of restaurants, consumers have access to the ultimate substitution – they can stay home.
A spokesman for the Washington Restaurant Association told the Washington Policy Center, “Every [restaurant] operator I’m talking to is in panic mode, trying to figure out what the new world will look like.”
Seattle had a foretaste of the effect of the $15 minimum wage earlier this year when Prop 1, which made a $15 minimum wage for those working in parking garages and hotels near Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, took effect. A reporter asked a cleaning woman and a part-time banquet server, who work in a hotel near SEATAC, what they thought of the new law:
The cleaning woman responded, “It sounds good, but it’s not good,”
“Why?” I asked.
“I lost my 401k, health insurance, paid holiday, and vacation,” she responded. “No more free food,” she added.
The hotel used to feed her. Now, she has to bring her own food. Also, no overtime, she said. She used to work extra hours and received overtime pay.
“What else?” I asked.
“I have to pay for parking,” she said.
I then asked the part-time waitress, who was part of the catering staff.
“Yes, I’ve got $15 an hour, but all my tips are now much less,” she said. Before the new wage law was implemented, her hourly wage was $7. But her tips added to more than $15 an hour. Yes, she used to receive free food and parking. Now, she has to bring her own food and pay for parking.
The Seattle Times reported that a Clarion Hotel recently made the decision to close its full service restaurant (laying off 15 people) and let go of a night desk clerk and a maintenance worker. It also plans to raise its rates by 10 percent to offset increased labor costs.
As the April 1 deadline approaches, the residents of Seattle will have a front row seat to the effects of the $15 per hour minimum wage, but early indicators suggest it will not be as positive as City Hall intended.
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