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By Bloodrose 2015-03-20 13:26:51
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
And when do you even think I'm for misappropriation of funds?
I said you're "into," as in, "it is a subject of interest for you." I didn't mean to imply that you (or anyone rational) supports misappropriations.
For Protey: The proper use of the word you're looking for.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-03-20 13:31:11
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Leviathan.Protey said: »
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Did you live in housing provided by the military?

I was a single officer, so no.
Since when does the military allow you to enlist as an officer with no prior agreement or work done?

always.

You're avoiding the main point which is MY TAXES paid off YOUR STUDENT LOAN DEBT so that makes you a goddamned hypocrite.

and my revocation of your conservative membership card stands
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By Bloodrose 2015-03-20 13:32:09
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Nikolce still won't touch my Canadian card. It's far too Canadian for his tastes.
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-03-20 13:32:19
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Seriously, I have no clue what you just said.

For an example: you can call yourself the slowest runner on earth. you then go and run faster than someone else. through your actions you have acted contrary to the definition of what you called yourself and therefore cease to be what you called yourself.
Question: Do you still call yourself the slowest runner on earth when you run faster than even one person?

Answer: No.

Therefor, No True Scotsman fallacy does not exist in that statement.

However, what you said doesn't apply here. Christians believe in the devil long before you were even born, and they are still Christians. By your definition, they wouldn't be Christians because they believed in the devil.

There is no checklist of being a conservative. I am a conservative, I know I'm a conservative, I don't have to prove to you that I'm a conservative. I don't have to abide by your standards of a conservative, and you should not expect anyone to do so, because your standards of a conservative is different than mine.

No I didn't. where are you guys even getting this. where did I say if you believe in the devil you cease to be a a christian? nowhere.
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By fonewear 2015-03-20 13:33:25
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The only devils are people from NJ I believe they play hockey !
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-03-20 13:35:43
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
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Did you live in housing provided by the military?

I was a single officer, so no.
Since when does the military allow you to enlist as an officer with no prior agreement or work done?

always.

You're avoiding the main point which is MY TAXES paid off YOUR STUDENT LOAN DEBT so that makes you a goddamned hypocrite.

and my revocation of your conservative membership card stands

um no, I'm not a hypocrite. your taxes only paid off my debt because I chose to spend the pay I earned to pay off my credit cards.
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By fonewear 2015-03-20 13:36:14
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Obama is going to pay for my college so na na boo boo !
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-03-20 13:39:22
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Since when does the military allow you to enlist as an officer with no prior agreement or work done?
You don't enlist as an officer, you are commissioned.

You can either get a four year degree and join as a second lieutenant or go to officer training via being enlisted (years of service in the enlisted ranks with recommendations).
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By Seraph.Ramyrez 2015-03-20 13:40:33
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fonewear said: »
The only devils are people from NJ I believe they play hockey !

Well, "play"...they're boring on the ice for 60 minutes during what is ostensibly called a hockey game.

Easily the reigning most boring team in the NHL for 25 years running.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-03-20 13:40:55
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Leviathan.Protey said: »
um no,

um, yes

You manipulated a tax funded government program system to your own benefit to get money to pay off your debt with my money.

That's my money and I want it back you freeloading bum
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-03-20 13:41:23
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Bahamut.Kara said: »
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Since when does the military allow you to enlist as an officer with no prior agreement or work done?
You don't enlist as an officer, you are commissioned.

You can either get a four year degree and join as a second lieutenant or go to officer training via being enlisted (years of service in the enlisted ranks with recommendations).

this is true, I didn't want to be pedantic and point it out.
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-03-20 13:42:32
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
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um no,

um, yes

You manipulated a tax funded government program system to your own benefit to get money to pay off your debt with my money.

That's my money and I want it back you freeloading bum

I didn't manipulate anything. I worked, I got paid. I used that pay for my credit cards. That is not manipulating anything.
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By Bloodrose 2015-03-20 13:43:05
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So what you said about "always" in response to Flavin's post, is patently false.

They don't allow you to enlist as an officer with no prior agreement or work done.

You have to be commissioned (The agreement), or go to officer training after being enlisted with recommendations (The work done).
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-03-20 13:44:06
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A TRUE conservative would have made the money of his own volition without ANY help from the federal government that he decries out of the other side of his own mouth for wasting valuable tax dollars on government programs

you sir are a hypocrite. good day.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-03-20 13:45:47
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
A TRUE conservative would have made the money of his own volition without ANY help from the federal government that he decries out of the other side of his own mouth for wasting valuable tax dollars on government programs

you sir are a hypocrite. good day.
Won't lie, was tempted to post this.
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-03-20 13:48:15
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Bloodrose said: »
So what you said about "always" in response to Flavin's post, is patently false.

They don't allow you to enlist as an officer with no prior agreement or work done.

You have to be commissioned (The agreement), or go to officer training after being enlisted with recommendations (The work done).

I thought he meant something other than the commission as an agreement.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-03-20 13:48:54
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Leviathan.Protey said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »Leviathan.Protey said: »Lakshmi.Flavin said: »Did you live in housing provided by the military?
I was a single officer, so no.Since when does the military allow you to enlist as an officer with no prior agreement or work done?
always.
Unless something has changed in the military recently always is not the correct answer lol.

I'd be more worried at this point that they'd be hiring people off the street to start as officers more than anything at this point. Hey you over there! Can't hack it out in the private industry? Come lead our soldiers!
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By Bloodrose 2015-03-20 13:49:53
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So you inferred something that was never implied.

There was nothing to imply that it meant anything else, since a commission is, and always will be, an agreement, in this context.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-20 13:50:25
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Why do you choose to identify as such?
Because, after extensive research (yes, actual research written by peer reviewed sources such as The International Journal of Accounting and Finance and such) about events and business practices that prove the things that the conservatives (mainly businessmen and accountants such as myself) have said over and over and over time and again about the cause and effects of governmental and business practices, I find myself strongly into the conservative camp more than any other.

Non-*** answer: I strongly believe that businesses have helped dictate society far better and more efficient than government has. And I have seen the evidence and reasoning behind such assertions. No matter what anyone here will say, that research has been done and has been shown effective.

I guess my biggest issue is the voice of the conservative party, mainly the elected officials, who open their mouths and insert their feet in it so often, I think they developed the taste of leather and whatever ***they walked in that day.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-20 13:51:20
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
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And when do you even think I'm for misappropriation of funds?
I said you're "into," as in, "it is a subject of interest for you." I didn't mean to imply that you (or anyone rational) supports misappropriations.
Ok, I read your statement wrong.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-03-20 13:51:24
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Bloodrose said: »
So you inferred something that was never implied.

There was nothing to imply that it meant anything else, since a commission is, and always will be, an agreement, in this context.

It's a freaking contract for at least four years (at least it was from before 2008, with some extensions after 9/11 to increase the duration of service).

Edit: So, yes, it is very much an agreement (very mild phrase for what it is).
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-03-20 13:51:37
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Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
A TRUE conservative would have made the money of his own volition without ANY help from the federal government that he decries out of the other side of his own mouth for wasting valuable tax dollars on government programs

you sir are a hypocrite. good day.
Won't lie, was tempted to post this.

Fortunately or Unfortunately and whether people realize it or not, they all, yes all, as in every single damned one of us, at one time or another has received help from good old uncle sam
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-03-20 13:52:53
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
A TRUE conservative would have made the money of his own volition without ANY help from the federal government that he decries out of the other side of his own mouth for wasting valuable tax dollars on government programs

you sir are a hypocrite. good day.

I did earn the money of my own volition without any help from the federal government. I did not get any pay that I did not work for. It just happens that the pay came from the government. I do not decry the federal government, I decry people getting things that they do not earn.

So go spout your nonsense elsewhere.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-20 13:53:05
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Leviathan.Protey said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Seriously, I have no clue what you just said.

For an example: you can call yourself the slowest runner on earth. you then go and run faster than someone else. through your actions you have acted contrary to the definition of what you called yourself and therefore cease to be what you called yourself.
Question: Do you still call yourself the slowest runner on earth when you run faster than even one person?

Answer: No.

Therefor, No True Scotsman fallacy does not exist in that statement.

However, what you said doesn't apply here. Christians believe in the devil long before you were even born, and they are still Christians. By your definition, they wouldn't be Christians because they believed in the devil.

There is no checklist of being a conservative. I am a conservative, I know I'm a conservative, I don't have to prove to you that I'm a conservative. I don't have to abide by your standards of a conservative, and you should not expect anyone to do so, because your standards of a conservative is different than mine.

No I didn't. where are you guys even getting this. where did I say if you believe in the devil you cease to be a a christian? nowhere.
Worship the devil. AKA believing s/he/it exists.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-20 13:54:34
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Leviathan.Protey said: »
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A TRUE conservative would have made the money of his own volition without ANY help from the federal government that he decries out of the other side of his own mouth for wasting valuable tax dollars on government programs

you sir are a hypocrite. good day.

I did earn the money of my own volition without any help from the federal government.
Technically you received your funds from the federal government during your time in the armed forces. But we can forgive you on that case because you traded a service for a tangible property.
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-03-20 13:55:57
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Leviathan.Protey said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »Leviathan.Protey said: »Lakshmi.Flavin said: »Did you live in housing provided by the military?
I was a single officer, so no.Since when does the military allow you to enlist as an officer with no prior agreement or work done?
always.
Unless something has changed in the military recently always is not the correct answer lol.

I'd be more worried at this point that they'd be hiring people off the street to start as officers more than anything at this point. Hey you over there! Can't hack it out in the private industry? Come lead our soldiers!

all you need to become an officer is a bachelor's degree. for awhile you didn't even need that, you could have an associates and during your lieutenant years would do degree completion.
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By Bloodrose 2015-03-20 13:56:37
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From personal experience, liberals and conservatives rarely have trouble with each other. What they have trouble with, tends to be their political views, or more accurately, the political views espoused by the elected officials.

Of course, there are some on this site, as an example, that use what the opposing elected politicians do/say/whatever, to paint the entire spectrum one distinct color.

One believes/or believed, that progressivism was a disease. Another still whole-heartedly believes liberalism is a mental illness, on the basis that they simply don't agree with his views on conservative values.

I'm sure they can be great people to be around, but these are the major, and loudest voices, or types of voices of the conservative side. Don't get me wrong, there are those on the liberal side that are just as loud and make a major misrepresentation of their voters.

So given KN's response, I would say it's fairly reasonable that he's a "middle of the road" conservative, who focuses primarily on fiscal conservative values in regards to spending responsibly.
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-03-20 13:56:42
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Leviathan.Protey said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Leviathan.Protey said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Seriously, I have no clue what you just said.

For an example: you can call yourself the slowest runner on earth. you then go and run faster than someone else. through your actions you have acted contrary to the definition of what you called yourself and therefore cease to be what you called yourself.
Question: Do you still call yourself the slowest runner on earth when you run faster than even one person?

Answer: No.

Therefor, No True Scotsman fallacy does not exist in that statement.

However, what you said doesn't apply here. Christians believe in the devil long before you were even born, and they are still Christians. By your definition, they wouldn't be Christians because they believed in the devil.

There is no checklist of being a conservative. I am a conservative, I know I'm a conservative, I don't have to prove to you that I'm a conservative. I don't have to abide by your standards of a conservative, and you should not expect anyone to do so, because your standards of a conservative is different than mine.

No I didn't. where are you guys even getting this. where did I say if you believe in the devil you cease to be a a christian? nowhere.
Worship the devil. AKA believing s/he/it exists.

no, they are not the same, nor have I said otherwise. Why would anyone think they are the same?
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-03-20 13:57:57
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Leviathan.Protey said: »
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A TRUE conservative would have made the money of his own volition without ANY help from the federal government that he decries out of the other side of his own mouth for wasting valuable tax dollars on government programs

you sir are a hypocrite. good day.

I did earn the money of my own volition without any help from the federal government. I did not get any pay that I did not work for. It just happens that the pay came from the government. I do not decry the federal government, I decry people getting things that they do not earn.

So go spout your nonsense elsewhere.

So, was your pre-collegiate education private or public?

EDIT: Did you receive your Bachelors from a public or private university?
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-03-20 14:00:40
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Leviathan.Protey said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
A TRUE conservative would have made the money of his own volition without ANY help from the federal government that he decries out of the other side of his own mouth for wasting valuable tax dollars on government programs

you sir are a hypocrite. good day.

I did earn the money of my own volition without any help from the federal government. I did not get any pay that I did not work for. It just happens that the pay came from the government. I do not decry the federal government, I decry people getting things that they do not earn.

So go spout your nonsense elsewhere.

So, was your pre-collegiate education private or public?

EDIT: Did you receive your Bachelors from a public or private university?

it was a public university.
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