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By Asura.Jugsofholyness 2019-02-07 15:30:42
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Quetzalcoatl.Chanceikin said: »
Asura.Jugsofholyness said: »
Instead of yall arguing at each other, how about you help me.






Taint said: »

Slapped this together:

ItemSet 351749
1254 acc with enlight2





What's the best WS swap for Savage Blade?

Requiescat?

Jugs - Savage Blade is arguably the best WS for PLD. If you don't have it, get Ayame Trust out and get those WS points. In the meantime, CDC is probably second best. You will also have to do some things to get that WS though.. Savage Blade is pretty much free, CDC will cost you a buck. Vorpal Blade is probably third best WS.

Requiescat is pretty much only good for things like Caturae when they put up shield.. but most PLDs probably wont break the shield with one Requiescat. Also, if you are using Sequence and need to activate the Aftermath effect.

Best Magic WS.. is interesting.. Red Lotus Blade and Seraph Blade are kind of your options. So I would use whichever is better based on the affinity of your enemy. Really though, I wouldn't use either unless you're doing Omen procs or Abyssea reds. Requiescat is maybe in here, it's average too. I don't know if Sanguine Blade counts in this category.. but if it does, I would use that. Again, limited usage though. I remember people using Spirits Within in old school abyssea but I forget the condition it was useful for.

Basically you want to use Savage Blade, CDC, and if you have to Vorpal Blade.

Sorry, I meant "what's the best WS set for Savage Blade? What's the best WS set for Requiescat?"
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By soralin 2019-02-07 15:47:56
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I think the thing is, capping SIRD on Paladin is peanuts.

Id get your balking at it if it cost 10s of millions of gil and a tonne of effort.

But getting I think like, 6 pieces of gear that are all minor effort is a different ballpark.

But then again, I am primarily a Pld Main, its the class I got my DREAM items on, so I take it serious enough to gear out all sets, and have like 5 different Rudianos's Mantles.

So I get it if you play like 6 other jobs and cant give up inventory for a SIRD set.

Except naw I still don't, most of the good SIRD pieces for Pld are also awesome for tonnes of other classes.

If you have a R15 burtgang and an Aegis (which totals out at around, what, 300mil gil?) but couldn't drop a mil or two on a SIRD set, you need to sort yourself out.
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By Pandemonium.Zeto 2019-02-07 17:45:52
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It's hard to say what the 'best' WS set for pld stuff is since you're going to be making compromises between not decimating your HP every time you WS and maximizing your damage. Relic+3 is an okay option in most slots since it has decent offensive stats paired with decent HP but it won't be do as much damage as well augmented valorous/odyssean gear. But those items all have like 20 hp on them.
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By Taint 2019-02-07 18:32:59
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Pandemonium.Zeto said: »
It's hard to say what the 'best' WS set for pld stuff is since you're going to be making compromises between not decimating your HP every time you WS and maximizing your damage. Relic+3 is an okay option in most slots since it has decent offensive stats paired with decent HP but it won't be do as much damage as well augmented valorous/odyssean gear. But those items all have like 20 hp on them.

Relic+3 has good acc and att as well. WSdmg does ***when your pdif is floored.

100% agree with your post
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By Quetzalcoatl.Commencal 2019-02-07 22:32:11
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Cleaving Apex JP/hour was ridiculous and faster than any Apex party I had ever been in. GEO/SCH mules for buffs in Dho Gates. Pardon me if you have participated in an Apex AOE party, that would be similar JP/hour as cleaving them.

I completely forgot about it but /BLU was mentioned as well. Rather than wait for the opportune time to cast, it lets spells cycle faster, toggling when it's certain they won't be interrupted. Restricting yourself to timing spells between the mobs melee attacks, when it's casting, using a long readying ability, or other opportune moments isn't how /BLU is played efficiently. SIRD is necessary to maintain your spell cycle as /BLU.

We likely hold differing values of necessity. I could say a fast cast set is redundant and not necessary with a SIRD set because the spell won't be interrupted. That's not the point at all, I find all my gear sets, SIRD included, are not only necessary, but essential to playing the job as efficiently as possible.

Am I wrong about playing /BLU and a SIRD set isn't necessary for the sub job?

I'm not mocking you, I pointed out a hypocritical statement. You should have said at one point in time you considered it, but after clearing all that content it wasn't required.

This is not a new practice people began talking about a few months ago. It's been canon for years now.
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By soralin 2019-02-10 23:52:30
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Thoughts:

Moralltach's Path C augment nets you +380 life and a 4 tic refresh, and its +25% cure potency means we can easily hit cure cap... without having to lose almost any HP.

Burtgang effectively nets you a 36% Physical Damage reduction.

However... Are there any end game bosses where we worry about a physical attack tank buster one shotting us? I feel like almost always its Magic dmg that threatens one shotting us, and anything else we can easily soak up.

If there are any physical damage tank busters I am missing, do say so but...

I feel like Moralltach's huge amount of HP it gives you (Is 380 HP the single highest source of HP+ in one slot in the whole game?) makes it actually in the long run outperform Burtgang.

Speaking from the utilitarian perspective of raw super tanking bosses, weapon sheathed, Maximizing HP retention when spellcasting, pure "Don't die and carry on" mode...

I feel like most of the time, Moralltach's effectively goes farther.
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By soralin 2019-02-11 00:27:52
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To add on, consider the following two sets:

Set 1: Traditional Turtle
ItemSet 365041

And the following Cure set (Note we probably dont do a Fast Cast swap for super tanking to absolutely preserve every shred of HP we can, since we basically still have almost capped DT and Life while casting anyways)

Set 2: Curing + 104% SIRD
ItemSet 365040

Most items don't change, and for good reason, our 25% Cure Potency from the sword means we only need to swap pieces to get another 25% potency, or as close to that as we can, and to cap SIRD.

So, lets start with places we lose HP.

Odnowa Earring => Knightly Earring : -100 HP
Souveran Diechlings +1(C) => Carmine cuisses +1(A): -33 HP
And thats actually it, 133HP loss so far. To make that back we simply swap...

Souveran Cuirass: Path D(Refresh) => Path C(Cure Pot Received): +105 HP
Souveran Handschuhs +1(D) => Regal Gauntlets: +6 HP

The rest if the gear should be 1:1 HP swaps, if its a swap at all. And we should still be at capped MDT, and be at 47% PDT.

So, this in total nets us:

Capped MDT
3% shy of cap PDT
104% SIRD
46% Cure Potency
30% Potency Recieved

And a net HP loss of... Wait for it... 22 life.

I think that puts the weights HEAVILY in favor of Moralltach, no?
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By Shiva.Humpo 2019-02-11 08:00:12
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My only thought to the SIRD/Cure set is that most people won't have regal gloves, so using founders hose for 30% SIRD over Carmine might be a "better" option.

I am curious what the estimated HP on that set is? Also how much 3% HP is from moogle belt vs using a flume since moogle belt can be 'difficult' to obtain.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2019-02-11 08:25:56
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Shiva.Humpo said: »

My only thought to the SIRD/Cure set is that most people won't have regal gloves, so using founders hose for 30% SIRD over Carmine might be a "better" option.

I am curious what the estimated HP on that set is? Also how much 3% HP is from moogle belt vs using a flume since moogle belt can be 'difficult' to obtain.

Couldn't you swap impatiens to Staunch Tathlum midcast for the extra PDT (+1 would cap)

Nevermind, glossed over the fact that right above you said you don't swap fast cast when supertanking
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By soralin 2019-02-11 10:20:37
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We're using Impatians for the 10% SIRD as well to cap SIRD out.
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By soralin 2019-02-11 10:22:09
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Shiva.Humpo said: »

My only thought to the SIRD/Cure set is that most people won't have regal gloves, so using founders hose for 30% SIRD over Carmine might be a "better" option.

I am curious what the estimated HP on that set is? Also how much 3% HP is from moogle belt vs using a flume since moogle belt can be 'difficult' to obtain.

Better choice is to swap another Odnowa earring I believe for Magnetic Earring, thats much less HP loss.
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