~First And Final Line Of Defense V2.0~

What is the general consensus on using Vatic Byrnie (from Warder of Loyalty) for CDC, assuming that I do not have any Reisen bodies and only Souveran body from Ru'aun? I'm currently using Despair Mail Path D.

Did you miss out on Sulevia's Platemail +1? (Even the NQ is a a better acc body than many of PLD's options). Isn't Sulevia's still available this month? Acc+40 Att+44

This is my current set

ItemSet 343927

I guess what I`m really asking is where do I upgrade so that I can cap PDT while still keeping mdt capped.

Hi, if this has been asked/answered already sorry for repeating but was it ever mathed out how much +shield skill adds in terms of increased blockrate? Asking mainly because the Souvereign Hands Path D gives 50HP/Shield Skill+10 but that extra 30 HP/Enmity+7 from Path C keeps enticing me. Thanks in advance.

Tanking is a frustrating thing at the moment. In newer content, I can keep bosses glued to me absolutely no problem.

To properly single tank the taurus and demon, active hate must be kept on both targets. The way I choose to do this is that my current target gets Flashes (because my flash can be as low as 10 seconds), and the other target gets Provokes. Sometimes, I'll also use the Provoke for the main target.

Even splitting enmity like this, neither target takes their attention off me. I am a well-geared tank. I TP in a lot of enmity gear (secondary to capping defensive stats) and have a fantastic swap for Provoke and all my other abilities. I have a great haste/enmity set for Flash and Reprisal.

I know how to use sentinel, divine emblem, warcry (and rampart if it's not strategically needed). I have a strong cureswap, piled with enmity. In higher content, I can typically save sentinel for when I need it as a damage-reduction cooldown. In lower content, I pop it very early in the fight and right-away if it's mobs that have natural party-hate like Incursion, Vagary. Ambuscade also has party hate, but I just don't need to sentinel as a hate tool in there.

That said, I find myself going to HTBFs sometimes where enmity is a whole lot harder to hold. This is partly because most of this stuff has lower evasion, lower defense meaning the DDs hit harder. This is mainly because of the design of the enmity system.

The lower level the target is, the more enmity is generated by damage, while enmity from job abilities and healing remains the same. That's why DDs pull off tanks in older content so easily. This also makes enmity-cap, which is still a thing, more easily attainable for the DD and once at enmity cap--there's very little that can be done by jobs other than BLM, DRG, and THF.

The thing is, just because they outgear the content doesn't always mean they're able to tank the content.

The theory is that Square Enix considered that if enmity wasn't higher for DDs in older content, like Delve, then DDs wouldn't be able to tank in content where a tank really wasn't needed but that's pretty broad.

There's a lot of content that we outgear where a tank still is needed or is desirable, like many HTBFs.

If that theory is the truth, then how about changing it so that elemental damage and healing did reduced enmity in older content and put melee back on a flat value regardless of how old the content is.

One theory concerning high-tier battlefields is that the harder difficulties don't actually increase the level of the monster, just the stats of the monster. This is effectively similar to how we're still 99, but our gear raises our level. Essentially, our ilvl is calculated in the enmity formula but the monster's "inflated level (set by chosen difficulty)" is not.

It's crazy that damage that would never pull a Reisenjima boss off of me will pull HTBF Ultima off of me (Ultima is the breath one. Omega, I understand, because he has hate resets)

The present design has everyone else enjoying the fruits of their gear progression and tanks working harder and still failing in older content. Since enmity now affects how much hate is lost from taking damage, simply switching to Sulevia's (which has no enmity on it) is not necessarily an option either.

Even with my Burtgang AM3, I'm not going to TP nearly as fast as the blu/dnc/thf/sam/etc. That also means building up tp to 300% which can take a PLD quite a while.

I'll be honest, it's frustrating and embarrassing. People that don't know what's going on think the tank is "fail" and like to spout things like "I thought you were the tank." It takes joy out of the game temporarily to experience this. I'm actually geared enough that I can, if I give it my all, usually hold an easier NM for most or all of it's health in easier content but I get a lot of tells about other PLDs.

I've thought about posting this thread for a while but it's embarrassing to call a spotlight on yourself. It was only once I saw other tanks--that I respect--acknowledging this that I decided to bring it up on the official forums.

TL;DR: Hello, my name is Omnys and I sometimes have enmity problems in older content.

For starters I want to point out that it has been confirmed that HTBF's increase the stats, not the levels. Some folks in the RUN thread figured it out

One theory concerning high-tier battlefields is that the harder difficulties don't actually increase the level of the monster, just the stats of the monster. This is effectively similar to how we're still 99, but our gear raises our level. Essentially, our ilvl is calculated in the enmity formula but the monster's "inflated level (set by chosen difficulty)" is not.

Going off that I can agree that for HTBFs it would be nice to see them fixed so that enmity actually works like it should have from the start, however as it stands for old content I feel the system is fine as is. If a tank is truly needed for something and the DDs keep going overboard and getting themselves killed somehow then they should hold back a bit. Not everything has to be a zergfest.

If someone calls you out for not being able to tank on this stuff, educate them. Direct them to the topics that explain this stuff and get the information out there, and if they don't care then that's their loss and they can keep looking stupid.

If only there were some sort of job that could put big weaponskill skillchain enmity on the tank as well as reduce the enmity on other DDs. Sadly I don't think such a job exists.

All joking aside, since I pretty much bring thf to everything the tank keeping hate is a non issue since the cap increase. Smn is another job that can deal with overzealous DDs with Pacifying Ruby. Other than that the DDs can also /drg for High Jump, or just do high jump if they are a drg. Then there is also rng with decoy shot. Lots and lots of ways of DDs dealing with enmity.

Right, Martel points out how it's a small sample size but it seems to indicate the mob level doesn't increase. He's very likely right, of course.

I had to say "theory" because SE has not confirmed it and the UI would seem to indicate otherwise.

Again, educate them. Tell them before hand that enmity is going to be an issue, explain why it's going to be an issue, point them to the relevant topics containing said information and if they still don't care then they can screw off and get themselves killed. It's as simple as that.

I believe the main idea with enmity scaling was to provide a system that accounted for changes in damage output and enmity generation throughout the leveling process. Problem is, we've long since hit the top end of that scaling and yet the vast majority of relevant NMs in pre-SoA zones are either 99 (post-SoA content) or not much higher (some 99 cap content like high tier VW). Only exception I know of is Legion. The issue in my eyes isn't "trivial" content (if it's trivial then do you really need a tank at all?), it's high clevel UNMs and such where you might at least consider bringing one along.

I'm not sure how they could properly address this aside from perhaps implementing the post-SoA enmity values for any monster level 99 or higher. Even that's not really a clean solution, as it would affect some pre-SoA monsters too (both NMs and fodder). VWNMs in particular could see some odd results since phase displacers directly affect their level.

I wonder why they didn't just have healing and elemental magic enmity scale down in older content.

the problem is that some of these aren't designed to be DD-tanked.

Enmity from magic damage scales the same as physical, while healing enmity scales based on target level.