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Treason and Congress letter to Iran - No one undermines the US like the Republicans
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-03-11 12:04:21
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-03-11 12:31:15
I look forward to hearing republicans complain more about Obama not working with them.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-11 12:39:47
I look forward to hearing republicans complain more about Obama not working with them.
Yeah, I won't blame any lack of cooperation on him at all from here on out. If Republicans want to get stuff done, they're doing a very good job of showing otherwise.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-03-11 12:44:58
I keep waiting to hear someone talk about how these republicans masters are not the American people but the Jews! I mean Bibi comes over and then all of a sudden all this?!?! ^^
By Lye 2015-03-11 12:46:50
The GOP needs to hire better spin doctors. I don't think Hillary's personal email "scandal" and this are going to win them many votes that they didn't already have.
Rawr! We're doing something ableit misguided, inneffective, and insolent! Do you have teenage kids? Vote for us because we're just like them!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-11 12:56:05
I look forward to hearing Obama complain more about Republicans not working with him. ftfy.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-03-11 13:05:20
Amazing wit, as always.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-11 13:14:35
Quote: Senator John McCain, whom you may remember from that one time he nearly became the president of the United States, has a less-than-satisfactory explanation for why he signed Senator Tom Cotton's open letter to Iranian leaders.
McCain told Politico that:
"I saw the letter, I saw that it looked reasonable to me and I signed it, that’s all. I sign lots of letters." McCain's breathtaking defense of signing the Iran letter: "I sign lots of letters"
By Ramyrez 2015-03-11 13:19:09
Quote: Senator John McCain, whom you may remember from that one time he nearly became the president of the United States, has a less-than-satisfactory explanation for why he signed Senator Tom Cotton's open letter to Iranian leaders.
McCain told Politico that:
"I saw the letter, I saw that it looked reasonable to me and I signed it, that’s all. I sign lots of letters." McCain's breathtaking defense of signing the Iran letter: "I sign lots of letters"
Is that like signing the Declaration of Independance was "just another letter"? <_<;
I mean, I get downplaying it, but c'mon.
At least with him, maybe it's just senility.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-11 13:20:41
By Lye 2015-03-11 13:29:11
Maybe he meant "letters" as in
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The alphabet.
By Zackan 2015-03-11 16:05:56
Fenrir.Candlejack said: »Yeah, there's a reason for that. Because what Obama's working on with Iran is what's called an "executive agreement". Not exactly a treaty. If it was a treaty, then congress would legally have a say, but it's not. They've been shut out again for failing to act satisfactorily. Just like how Obama shut the door on them regarding immigration reform. We've had the same broken down system for going on twenty odd years, no one's made a move to make any needed improvements. The republicans only have themselves to blame for making him their chief enemy in D.C.
For some reason I just do not believe that were the tables turned all you people would be saying the same thing. For example, hypothetically, how would you all react if Bush passed these immigration and iran 'agreements' and if there was a democratic majority congress and the democrats were 'sitting on there ***' doing nothing?
By Zackan 2015-03-11 16:06:34
Fenrir.Candlejack said: »Maybe he meant "letters" as in
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The alphabet. Does McCain even know the alphabet? Oh, wait. He's another brain-dead teabagger terrorist. I doubt he knows what it is. I know Sarah Palin sure as hell doesn't know, that goes without question.
Don't you dare call that idiot McCain a Tea Party member.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-11 16:10:05
Fenrir.Candlejack said: »Yeah, there's a reason for that. Because what Obama's working on with Iran is what's called an "executive agreement". Not exactly a treaty. If it was a treaty, then congress would legally have a say, but it's not. They've been shut out again for failing to act satisfactorily. Just like how Obama shut the door on them regarding immigration reform. We've had the same broken down system for going on twenty odd years, no one's made a move to make any needed improvements. The republicans only have themselves to blame for making him their chief enemy in D.C.Agreed, except for that last sentence.
By Zackan 2015-03-11 16:13:21
Fenrir.Candlejack said: »Fenrir.Candlejack said: »Maybe he meant "letters" as in
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The alphabet. Does McCain even know the alphabet? Oh, wait. He's another brain-dead teabagger terrorist. I doubt he knows what it is. I know Sarah Palin sure as hell doesn't know, that goes without question.
Don't you dare call that idiot McCain a Tea Party member. He signed Cotton's letter, m'yes? There's your proof right there, that he is indeed, a teabagger terrorist.
Ok, then I agree he must be this 'teabagger terrorist' as long as we are in agreement he is not associated with the Tea Party, as these are 2 completely separate things. I was under the impression you were making up slang for it, but obviously I am mistaken.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-12 08:14:24
Quote: Iran's supreme leader said Thursday that a letter from Republican lawmakers warning that any nuclear deal could be scrapped by the next U.S. president is a sign of "disintegration" in Washington.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called the letter a sign of "the collapse of political ethics and the U.S. system's internal disintegration," according to the official IRNA news agency. It was the first reaction to the letter by Khamenei, who has the final say over all major policies.
Khamenei said states typically remain loyal to their commitments even if governments change, " but American senators officially announced the commitment will be null and void after this government leaves office. Isn't this the ultimate degree of the collapse of political ethics and the U.S. system's internal disintegration?"
Khamenei said that whenever the talks approach a deadline, "the tone of the other party, particularly the Americans, becomes harsher, harder and more violent. This is part of their tricks and deceits."
However, he said, "Iranian officials know what they are doing."
Khamenei has generally supported the talks, but he frequently expresses doubt over the true intentions of the U.S. and other Western nations.
The supreme leader said a "Zionist clown" had delivered a speech in Washington, an apparent reference to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's address to Congress earlier this month, in which he argued against the emerging agreement. Iran's top leader: GOP letter points to US 'disintegration'
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2015-03-12 08:42:43
Leave it to a freshman to screw the pooch when trying to play party hero.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-12 09:04:53
Quote: Some Republican senators who have signed a warning letter to Iran’s leaders admit the move was a “bad idea”, according to a report.
Earlier this week, 47 Republican senators signed an open letter warning the Islamic Republic of Iran that a nuclear deal being negotiated with the United States and other countries might only stick while President Barack Obama was in office.
The letter has drawn strong criticism from the Obama administration and congressional Democrats, who have dismissed it as a GOP effort to sabotage the nuclear talks between Iran and the P5+1 countries – the US, Britain, France, China, Russia, and Germany, which have now entered a sensitive final stage.
But some Republicans, including those who signed on, are wondering if the move was a good strategy, according to a report by the Daily Beast.
They tacitly acknowledge that the Iran letter has injected partisanship into the nuclear negotiations, shifting the narrative from the content of the emerging deal to domestic partisan squabbles.
“… now, the Obama administration and its Capitol Hill partisans are cynically trying to push the conversation away from policy, and towards a deeply political pie fight over presidential and congressional prerogatives,” a Senate Republican aide, whose boss signed the letter, told the Daily Beast.
“I immediately knew that it was not something that, for me anyway, in my particular role, was going to be constructive,” said Republican Sen. Bob Corker, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and one of the driving forces of Iran sanctions in the US Senate.
Sen. Jeff Flake, an Arizona Republican who declined to sign the letter, told reporters Tuesday that the Iranian nuclear issue was “too important to divide us among partisan lines,” adding, “Introducing this kind of letter, I didn’t think would be helpful.”
Some congressional staffers have attempted to frame the letter as a “cheeky” reminder of the congressional powers.
“The administration has no sense of humor when it comes to how weakly they have been handling these negotiations,” a top GOP Senate aide told the Daily Beast. Republicans admit Iran letter a ‘bad idea’: Report
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-12 09:09:47
As for John McCain, he's borderline terrorist wannabe, but definitely a supporter of terrorists aboard. As for a Tea Party guy, no.
He definitely needs to go.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-12 10:21:05
As for John McCain, he's borderline terrorist wannabe, but definitely a supporter of terrorists aboard. As for a Tea Party guy, no.
He definitely needs to go.
I voted for McCain in AZ and I've always thought he was too mired in party politics to be truly effective, but he was at least a voice of reason. He did the song and dance for the cameras, but when push came to shove, he had the public's best interest in mind. He may have been a maverick at some point, but now he's just an irrelevant senile puppet. It's time to hang up your hat, john.
By maldini 2015-03-12 10:36:04
UPDATE: the petition(to prosecute the senators under the logan act) has now surpassed 100,000 signatures, which means the White House will have to respond to it.
100k signatures in 3 days. Anyone want to wager it hits 1,000,000 before the end of March?
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EDIT: WOW! Since this morning (when I saw the 100k signatures) it has hit 219,046!!!!! It more than doubled in the 12 hours I was at work!!
By Lye 2015-03-12 10:38:50
They will just say "No."
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-12 10:41:19
UPDATE: the petition has now surpassed 100,000 signatures, which means the White House will have to respond to it
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I hope they field it to DoJ for an actual legal analysis instead of just a partisan press release. Either they possibly violated the Logan Act and will be tried or they definitely didn't and petitioners will not be offered their heads on the altar of public sacrifice.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2015-03-12 10:45:40
They aren't going to be prosecuted, its pointless to try, the petition is worthless. Cotton should be censored but he won't be. Also, lol at blaming the Democrats for inserting partisanship into it after a Republican tried to sabotage the talks, and lol even more at "not having a sense of humor," because the letter was actually written in sarcasm font. Yeah right.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-12 10:49:30
UPDATE: the petition(to prosecute the senators under the logan act) has now surpassed 100,000 signatures, which means the White House will have to respond to it.
100k signatures in 3 days. Anyone want to wager it hits 1,000,000 before the end of March?
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EDIT: WOW! Since this morning (when I saw the 100k signatures) it has hit 219,046!!!!! It more than doubled in the 12 hours I was at work!! And yet, no petition on that website to prosecute Clinton for her breach of security and lack of record keeping for not backing up and releasing her official governmental emails from her private email address.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-03-12 10:53:39
UPDATE: the petition(to prosecute the senators under the logan act) has now surpassed 100,000 signatures, which means the White House will have to respond to it.
100k signatures in 3 days. Anyone want to wager it hits 1,000,000 before the end of March?
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EDIT: WOW! Since this morning (when I saw the 100k signatures) it has hit 219,046!!!!! It more than doubled in the 12 hours I was at work!! And yet, no petition on that website to prosecute Clinton for her breach of security and lack of record keeping for not backing up and releasing her official governmental emails from her private email address. Go start one then.
By maldini 2015-03-12 11:00:27
UPDATE: the petition(to prosecute the senators under the logan act) has now surpassed 100,000 signatures, which means the White House will have to respond to it.
100k signatures in 3 days. Anyone want to wager it hits 1,000,000 before the end of March?
Source
EDIT: WOW! Since this morning (when I saw the 100k signatures) it has hit 219,046!!!!! It more than doubled in the 12 hours I was at work!! And yet, no petition on that website to prosecute Clinton for her breach of security and lack of record keeping for not backing up and releasing her official governmental emails from her private email address. Go start one then. They don't have electricity, let alone internet connections, in those parts yet. Otherwise I'm sure he would.
Starting a petition in siberia would yield more results.
Ridiculous - Republicans send Iran a letter that undermines and contradicts their own president. Perhaps the severest blow to American international standing since ever?
EDIT: Below is the NYT's article on the subject. I chose the NYT despite the fact that I think they went soft on the issue to try and be objective.
Quote: WASHINGTON — The fractious debate over a possible nuclear deal with Iran escalated on Monday as 47 Republican senators warned Iran about making an agreement with President Obama, and the White House accused them of undercutting foreign policy.
In a rare direct congressional intervention into diplomatic negotiations, the Republicans signed an open letter addressed to “leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran” declaring that any agreement without legislative approval could be reversed by the next president “with the stroke of a pen.”
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The letter appeared aimed at unraveling a framework agreement even as negotiators grew close to reaching it. Mr. Obama, working with leaders of five other world powers, argues that the pact would be the best way to keep Iran from obtaining a nuclear bomb. But critics from both parties say that such a deal would be a dangerous charade that would leave Iran with the opportunity to eventually build weapons that could be used against Israel or other foes.
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Document: Letter From Senate Republicans to the Leaders of Iran
While the possible agreement has drawn bipartisan criticism, the letter, signed only by Republicans, underscored the increasingly party-line flavor of the clash. Just last week, the Republican House speaker, John A. Boehner, gave Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel the platform of a joint meeting of Congress to denounce the developing deal, and Senate Republicans briefly tried to advance legislation aimed at forcing Mr. Obama to submit it to Congress, alienating Democratic allies.
The letter came as Secretary of State John Kerry’s office announced that he would return to Switzerland on Sunday in hopes of completing the framework agreement before an end-of-March deadline. Under the terms being discussed, Iran would pare back its nuclear program enough so that it would be unable to produce enough fuel for a bomb in less than a year if it tried to break out of the agreement. The pact would last at least 10 years; in exchange the world powers would lift sanctions.
Whether the Republican letter might undercut Iran’s willingness to strike a deal was not clear. Iran reacted with scorn. “In our view, this letter has no legal value and is mostly a propaganda ploy,” Mohammad Javad Zarif, Iran’s foreign minister, said in a statement. “It is very interesting that while negotiations are still in progress and while no agreement has been reached, some political pressure groups are so afraid even of the prospect of an agreement that they resort to unconventional methods, unprecedented in diplomatic history.”
A senior American official said the letter probably would not stop an agreement from being reached, but could make it harder to blame Iran if the talks fail. “The problem is if there is not an agreement, the perception of who is at fault is critically important to our ability to maintain pressure, and this type of thing would likely be used by the Iranians in that scenario,” said the official, who spoke anonymously to discuss the negotiations.
The White House and congressional Democrats expressed outrage, calling the letter an unprecedented violation of the tradition of leaving politics at the water’s edge. Republicans said that by styling it as an “open letter,” it was akin to a statement, not an overt intervention in the talks.
“It’s somewhat ironic to see some members of Congress wanting to make common cause with the hard-liners in Iran,” Mr. Obama told reporters. “It’s an unusual coalition.”
Other Democrats were sharper. Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary, called it “just the latest in an ongoing strategy, a partisan strategy, to undermine the president’s ability to conduct foreign policy.” Senator Harry M. Reid of Nevada, the Democratic minority leader, said the “Republicans are undermining our commander in chief while empowering the ayatollahs.”
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The letter, drafted by Senator Tom Cotton, a freshman from Arkansas, and signed by all but seven members of the Senate Republican majority, warned Iran that a deal with Mr. Obama might not stick. “The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen, and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time,” said the letter, whose existence was reported earlier by Bloomberg News.
Mr. Cotton said he drafted the letter because Iran’s leaders might not understand America’s constitutional system. He also said the terms of the emerging deal were dangerous because they would not be permanent and would leave Iran with nuclear infrastructure. He noted that four Republican senators who may run for president signed his letter and added that he tried without success to get Democrats to sign.
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“The only thing unprecedented is an American president negotiating a nuclear deal with the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism without submitting it to Congress,” he said on CNN.
The letter revived an old debate about what role Congress should have in diplomacy.
Jim Wright, the Democratic House speaker during Ronald Reagan’s presidency, was accused of interfering when he met with opposing leaders in Nicaragua’s contra war. Three House Democrats went to Iraq in 2002 before President George W. Bush’s invasion to try to head off war. And Nancy Pelosi, the House Democratic leader, went to Syria in 2007 to meet with President Bashar al-Assad against the wishes of the Bush administration, which was trying to isolate him.
An agreement with Iran would not require immediate congressional action because Mr. Obama has the power to lift sanctions he imposed under his executive authority and to suspend others imposed by Congress. But permanently lifting those imposed by Congress, as Iran has sought, would eventually require a vote.
Rather than wait, Republicans, joined by several Democrats, drafted legislation aimed at forcing Mr. Obama to submit the agreement to Congress. But when Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican majority leader, moved to advance that legislation for a vote, Democrats who support it balked at taking action before the talks with Iran concluded. Mr. McConnell backed off, but the bill may be revived if a deal is reached.
Among the Republicans who declined to sign Mr. Cotton’s letter was Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee, the Foreign Relations Committee chairman, who has been working with Democrats on Iran legislation. “We’ve got a bipartisan effort that’s underway that has a chance of being successful, and while I understand all kinds of people want to weigh in,” he said, he concluded that it would not “be helpful in that effort for me to be involved in it.”
Some Democrats, like Representative Brad Sherman of California, said the letter and other moves risked making it a party-line issue, in which case it would be impossible to muster a two-thirds vote to override a presidential veto. “The number of Democrats not willing to follow the president’s lead is reduced when it becomes a personal or political issue,” he said.
Correction: March 9, 2015
A previous version of this article misstated the given name of the senator who drafted the letter from American lawmakers to Iranian leaders. He is Tom Cotton, not Tim Cotton. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/world/asia/white-house-faults-gop-senators-letter-to-irans-leaders.html?_r=0
The Republicans first undermine their democratically elected president AND Nation by inviting a foreign leader to address them in a televised event, effectively turning the American people's house of representatives into a political brothel.
They then openly contradict the commander in chief of the nation and more or less say the US presidency is a lame duck office not worthy of taking seriously.
At best, the American political system is the greatest threat to American foreign policy.
At worst, America is so deeply entrenched in racism - made apparent by how the election of a black american has polarized the country's population - that its foreign policy be damned.
Republicans might as well have just said "Burn this house down".
I can't wait to see how the GOP goons on this forum try to deflect from the issue and/or demonstrate just how retarded their demographic is.
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