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Color Perception & Optical Illusion Topic
By Kalila 2015-02-28 04:29:36
This one is odd because i can never see the old woman even if im trying to see it, some people can never see the young woman.
Totes interesting. Theres other examples but id have to dig through my psychology book to find the examples i want. The chin of the young woman is the old woman's nose.
The young woman's necklace is the old woman's mouth.
the young woman's bottom left ear is the old woman's far inner corner of the eye.
The only thing that messes this up is the young woman's nose, making it look like the old woman has some fuzz or something at the top of her nose.
Is it just me or does anybody else see the pic above. A Women wearing a big fury coat looking away with black hair and wearing some sort of hat with a feather on it? :/   
A famous perceptual illusion in which the brain switches between seeing a young girl and an old woman (or "wife" and "mother in law"). An anonymous German postcard from 1888 (left figure) depicts the image in its earliest known form, and a rendition on an advertisement for the Anchor Buggy Company from 1890 (center figure) provides another early example (IllusionWorks). For many years, the creator of this figure was thought to be British cartoonist W. E. Hill, who published it in 1915 in Puck humor magazine, an American magazine inspired by the British magazine Punch (right figure). However, Hill almost certainly adapted the figure from an original concept that was popular throughout the world on trading and puzzle cards.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2015-02-28 05:29:32
You guys are confusing interpretation and illusion. Like those magic eye things from the 90's. Just a giant mess of color, until you focus so hard your eyes cross, and you see the 3D image.
It's one thing do see the young/old lady. The vase/faces. The lamp/legs.
It's an entirely different thing to see something that straight up isn't there. Aliens.jpg
The only way you can see anything resembling white, is by focusing so hard on the black that your eyes bleed out the blue hues. Which you shouldn't be doing because you weren't told it was black.
Now that you KNOW it's blue and black you can trick yourself into focusing on the black. But when simply asked, what color is it. It's impossible to see white and gold.
The Color Of The Dress According To Science:
("it's a fact that you're smarter if you see black and blue") That's why more than half see white and gold... 2/3 AT LEAST of americans are borderline, mentally HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
By leo 2015-02-28 09:32:11
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »It's a 2 in one, an old woman where the jaw/chin of the young woman is her nose
It actually depends on which part of the drawing your brain processes first. After I read your comment, I looked to the "chin" like a nose, the old woman was instantly recognizable.
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By fonewear 2015-02-28 09:39:50
Finally some substance to this thread !
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-28 10:41:50
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »It's an entirely different thing to see something that straight up isn't there. Meaning seeing black and blue where the pixels are brown and grey. Got it.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2015-02-28 10:43:01
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »It's an entirely different thing to see something that straight up isn't there. Meaning seeing black and blue where the pixels are brown and grey. Got it.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-02-28 10:45:39
I must say taking this mundane of a thread and turning it into a full on argument impresses the *** in me
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By Kalila 2015-02-28 10:49:19
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »The only way you can see anything resembling white, is by focusing so hard on the black that your eyes bleed out the blue hues. Which you shouldn't be doing because you weren't told it was black.
Now that you KNOW it's blue and black you can trick yourself into focusing on the black. But when simply asked, what color is it. It's impossible to see white and gold.
The Color Of The Dress According To Science:
("it's a fact that you're smarter if you see black and blue") That's why more than half see white and gold... 2/3 AT LEAST of americans are borderline, mentally HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2015-02-28 10:51:22
Blue.
Black with light shining on it.
Black lace with blue underneath it.
Still blue.
Blue with black lace on it.
If you want to make 2 look more abstract, try removing the rest of the real color on the left side, instead of just removing some of it.
When you show the whole section, you can clearly see it's black.
By Kalila 2015-02-28 10:51:39
yea right
By Kalila 2015-02-28 10:52:25
I have never in my life heard about a black pixel with light shining on it.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2015-02-28 10:53:43
Have you ever owned black clothing? Look at it in sunlight, spoiler, it's no longer black. Same with hair.
It's called sun bleaching. Human made light does the same thing.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-28 10:54:04
My ego is so absurdly weak that I need to claim to be smarter by pretending that brown is the same thing as black while claiming anyone who disputes is literally HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
Straight trolling.
By Fyyvoaa 2015-02-28 10:56:01
come on page 9!
truly though... arguing about a dress... i'll be crying in the corner for a bit
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2015-02-28 10:56:32
You're entitled to your opinions. Just know your opinion is wrong. That's all. I couldn't care less what color you THINK it is. KNOW that you're wrong.
Here's a great example. What color is your skin, again, spoiler, if you say your skin is white, you're a *** moron.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-28 10:57:23
Seriously, though, those pixels aren't black. There isn't even a debate available, open the image in any photo program and sample the pixels.
You claiming that brown-yellow pixels are black is insane. And trying way too hard. And completely refutes your claim that stupid people don't know what they're seeing, unless you suddenly want to call yourself one of the legion of morons.
By Kalila 2015-02-28 11:01:36
I present to you, the new color range, Black with Light Shining on it!
By fonewear 2015-02-28 11:02:07
If only people cared about important topics like the color of a dress !
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2015-02-28 11:03:44
Wow. I thought I had gotten past this point. But you damn humans, you always manage to impress with your ignorance. Every time I say, there's no possible way I could be shocked again, you out do yourselves.
I am impressed. Kudos, fingersnaps, etc.
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By Kalila 2015-02-28 11:04:41
keep on trollin
By fonewear 2015-02-28 11:05:03
Someone disagreeing with you is not trolling.
Trolling is an art form that very few actually achieve.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-02-28 11:05:34
Different day, this time there's light in my room, still can't see any white in any picture. So my ambient wasn't having any impact.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2015-02-28 11:05:47
It's not YOUR ambient light, it's the light in the store. Your lighting has no effect on anything. but yes, there is no white to be seen.
Answer me this:
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »Here's a great example. What color is your skin, again, spoiler, if you say your skin is white, you're a *** moron.
By fonewear 2015-02-28 11:07:08
This is similar to asking "if a tree falls in the forest does it make a sound"
Only color perception is not as Philosophical.
By leo 2015-02-28 11:08:05
Any of you happen to own a original 2001 XBOX console ? What color it is ? :P
It's a really dark hue of "army" olive-green.
I had people tell me it was black and I took them my console and shown them it under direct daylight. No doubts remained, then.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-02-28 11:08:39
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »It's not YOUR ambient light, it's the light in the store. I know that, but since I can't conceive the white I thought maybe if I'm in a different spot too I might see it. But I don't.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Valli 2015-02-28 11:09:25
No, it's a very simple IQ test.
What color is your skin. White = moron. It's not philosophical. It's not opinion. It's not some hidden meaning. It is what it is.
Your skin is NOT white. That dress is NOT by any stretch of the imagination white either.
By Kalila 2015-02-28 11:10:15
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »Answer me this:
Quetzalcoatl.Valli said: »Here's a great example. What color is your skin, again, spoiler, if you say your skin is white, you're a *** moron. If you ask me, what color do I see, I would have to say, it varies across. No single point on my body is the same color as the other.
However, I could agree that there is an average if I combine every color, which is what my eyes are doing to tell me, I'm seeing this color tone of skin.
You however, refuse to accept that. You're with the group of people who refuse to see the color for what the image has, and instead you want to introduce logic into the equation as to why that color is what it is.
because you want to be right.
I believe there are people who can't see gold and blue, however, when I presented those cut out segments to people I know who can't see the gold, they finally could see the bronze, but in #5 they couldn't, it was blue and black for them again.
This is a case of mr smartypants refusing to budge his ground, for logic will prove our eyes wrong, even if the question is, what color do you see? what color is this pixel?
By fonewear 2015-02-28 11:10:18
How do you know my skin is not white ! Get out of my room !
Before I begin, let me apologize for the long length/spacing of the topic. This is on purpose.
I thought this was silly, I mean... I see gold and white of course (well, really I see gold and blue), but D sees blue with black. In the past we've had discussions about what a color is on FFXIAH concerning certain game icons, so I thought this might be a bit fun to try.
Let me know what you think. Do you see a Black/Blue dress? A Gold/White? or a Gold/Blue?
So... this is a silly thing going around the internet, and now news stations. Here is the picture:
What color is the dress?
This is the question that has made everyone stupid crazy, and fighting with each other in some cases.
Before you scroll down to the breakdown of what color the dress really is, I want you to take a good look at the above, and decide what you think. Is this a white dress with gold lace, or a blue dress with black lace? or... a blue dress with gold lace (this is what I see).
So....
The person who took this photo, also bought the dress for a wedding.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00SJEUCWU/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B00SJEUCWU&linkCode=as2&tag=bithedress-21&linkId=LIATY5TENJ7ORHXX
and here she is wearing it:
So, why does the photo at the wedding look different than the original photo taken that is making everyone argue whether or not the dress is white/gold, blue/gold, or blue/black?
Shadows and strong light behind it screwing with the camera. Cameras are not the same as eyes. The camera was overexposed.
What matters is whether or not you perceive the photo as overexposed in general or as having a deep shadow cast over the dress. Your brain will automatically correct for whichever one you believe, and you'll see either white/gold or blue/black.
So, what are the real colors of the photo? Is it really blue on black?
Let's pull out the RBG values...
There really isn't any black here, not a single pixel is black. The reason why some people don't see gold/white or gold/blue is because of how our brains work. Saying it again: "What matters is whether or not you perceive the photo as overexposed in general or as having a deep shadow cast over the dress. Your brain will automatically correct for whichever one you believe, and you'll see either white/gold or blue/black."
Even if you invert the photo (right side), it will not change whether you see a gold/white or black/blue dress.
Let's take the original amazon photo:
and let's replicate the overexposed shot ( white dress with gold lace. Cranking up the exposure, crushing the shadows, and increased the color temp will produce this:
Now, there is no trickery here. This is a what people see the white dress with gold lace as, and I don't think anyone can argue that. Otherwise... maybe it's your monitor...
This is what people see the original photo as the blue dress with black trim.
Now, why do our eyes work like this?
It's a matter of how your mind interprets the lighting. A white-and-gold dress in cool lighting/shadow could have produced that photo, as could a black-and-blue dress in warm yellow lighting. Your mind determines the colors of the dress based on what it assumes the lighting to be like.
The left side is a blue dress with black lace, the right side is a white dress with gold lace.
Let's brake these 4 sections out and separate them a bit so our eyes can distinguish between them.
I DID NOT EDIT THE IMAGE AT ALL, EXCEPT CROPPING AND SEPARATING THE 4 SECTIONS APART. I DID NOT EDIT THE COLOR VALUES AT ALL. THE RGB VALUES BELOW EACH SECTION ARE THE REAL COLORS FOR THE STRIPES ON THE DRESS.
Closest Color Name:
Gambogeish Black
Closest Color Name:
Moderate Phthalo Blue
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Grayish Gold
Closest Color Name:
Phthalo Bluish Gray
| | Closest Color Name:
Dark Grayish Gold
Closest Color Name:
Grayish Phthalo Blue
| | Closest Color Name:
Moderate gold
Closest Color Name:
Light Spring Budish Gray
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The main thing to take away here are the names of the two "golds" and the two "blues". The left gold is named "Grayish Gold" while the right is "Dark Grayish Gold", and the left blue is named "Phthalo Bluish Gray", while the right is "Grayish Phthalo Blue". They are very similar to each other, which why each of us sees the dress differently.
Let me do this with the original photo as well, but this time I'll remove the background and only show the dress itself.
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 | Average Color Name:
Dark Phthalo Bluish Gray
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| Average Color Name:
Dark Sapphire Bluish Gray
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| Average Color Name:
Dark Sapphire Bluish Gray
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| Average Color Name:
Dark Grayish Amber
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| Average Color Name:
Dark Grayish Gamboge
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| Average Color Name:
Dark Sapphire Bluish Gray
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| Average Color Name:
Reddish Brownish Gray
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I'm sorry for the long OP, but I just thought it was pretty cool. Yea, this is all because of a bad camera shot, but this sparked a color debate war on whether it was gold/white, or black/blue, and I just think that's pretty cool how the mind works.
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