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Apple Aims for Electric Car Production by 2020
By Jetackuu 2015-02-24 21:09:15
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »i'm not an apple fan either but with that statement you have to be either trolling or are an idiot... Apple is driving technology, design, and user interfaces all at the same time by causing other manufactures to think out of the box and improve on their designs.
before iPhone came along the coolest phone was the RAZR and that flip phone design had remained the same for a good 10 years...
before Apple OS came around DOS and commmand line ruled the world...
before ipod came around you had CD/minidisc players and clunky mp3 players that were unusable and ultra expensive...
Apple TV came before Roku other players....
should i go on?? Do you have any examples of things Apple actually innovated? All of these things are perfect examples of things that Apple stole ideas for and then heavily patented so no one else could use them for years.
If their history is anything, Apple may end up large in this field but it won't be due to innovation or new tech like Tesla's bringing, it will be through huge lawsuits and by throwing money everywhere until the stockholders blood-rage wears off. ^
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By Cerberus.Drayco 2015-02-24 21:45:08
Apple should stick to what it is good at selling phones to hipsters and wannabe hipsters.
They don't even seem like a computer company anymore. Apple may not innovate or invent anything, but their presence and name helps the competition try to "be better" than them, which only accelerates technology further.
I'm not an apple hater. I'll probably never own one of their products, but I think we'd be worse off without them. The only thing it accelerates is shitty designs, we can do without that.
i'm not an apple fan either but with that statement you have to be either trolling or are an idiot... Apple is driving technology, design, and user interfaces all at the same time by causing other manufactures to think out of the box and improve on their designs.
before iPhone came along the coolest phone was the RAZR and that flip phone design had remained the same for a good 10 years...
before Apple OS came around DOS and commmand line ruled the world...
before ipod came around you had CD/minidisc players and clunky mp3 players that were unusable and ultra expensive...
Apple TV came before Roku other players....
should i go on??
You're an idiot dude.
1. Hewlett-Packard iPAQ H6310 released 2004 and this wasn't the first touch screen interfaced phone. Iphone 2007.
2. You've never heard of Xerox have you. Also, IBM released the first GUI based pc in 1981. Three years prior to Macintosh.
3. Pretty sure Rio and Audible were 1998. iPod (2001)
4. Apple TV... really... you wanna bring that up. Ever hear of netflix?
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By Leviathan.Klue 2015-02-25 21:35:09
the lot of you are seriously delusional and as a result failed to actually read what I posted and the point i was getting across... fml dealing with idiots seems to be the world we live in nowadays.
Apple should stick to what it is good at selling phones to hipsters and wannabe hipsters.
They don't even seem like a computer company anymore. Apple may not innovate or invent anything, but their presence and name helps the competition try to "be better" than them, which only accelerates technology further.
I'm not an apple hater. I'll probably never own one of their products, but I think we'd be worse off without them. The only thing it accelerates is shitty designs, we can do without that.
i'm not an apple fan either but with that statement you have to be either trolling or are an idiot... Apple is driving technology, design, and user interfaces all at the same time by causing other manufactures to think out of the box and improve on their designs.
before iPhone came along the coolest phone was the RAZR and that flip phone design had remained the same for a good 10 years...
before Apple OS came around DOS and commmand line ruled the world...
before ipod came around you had CD/minidisc players and clunky mp3 players that were unusable and ultra expensive...
Apple TV came before Roku other players....
should i go on??
You're an idiot dude.
1. Hewlett-Packard iPAQ H6310 released 2004 and this wasn't the first touch screen interfaced phone. Iphone 2007.
2. You've never heard of Xerox have you. Also, IBM released the first GUI based pc in 1981. Three years prior to Macintosh.
3. Pretty sure Rio and Audible were 1998. iPod (2001)
4. Apple TV... really... you wanna bring that up. Ever hear of netflix?
1. that piece of ***phone had no app development capability and still required a keyboard on the damn phone.. it didn't change the world because it was a piece of crap which is why flip phones prevailed beyond its inception.
2. xerox private and wasn't released for the casual consumer in fact apple 'stole' their OS, improved upon it and made it public and was adopted with critical acclaim. As for IBM... lol again you don't anything if you are bringing up that point because again... not public and hardly usable (interface was crap but you were probably too young to remember) which is why it *never* took off
3. as i mentioned again... there were mp3 players before... both were clunky, unusuable and expensive... ipod prevailed because the design and interface once again changed the game
4. netflix?!? LOL... wrong service bro never put out standalone box.. great product but once again apple perfected the streaming service and ran with it which created companies like roku
seriously do some research before you provide utter crap rebuttals it only embarrasses yourselves
By Artemicion 2015-02-25 21:50:33
I can understand the need to have that "move forward or die" mentality when you're a gigantic conglomerate worth 700+B in total assets, but frankly the car is something already on the cusp of automation, so unless they follow in Google's wake, I feel this is a misguided project.
I feel it would be best to take their minimalistic and simplistic approach to products and apply it to things that are less than practical in their current form for end users.
For example: Printers. For the past 2 decades, printers to this day remain as noisy, clunky, difficult to use, and overall more troublesome than their typical worth for consumers. I'd like to see Apple shake up that market by making it even somewhat practical for use someday.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-02-25 22:12:56
For example: Printers. For the past 2 decades, printers to this day remain as noisy, clunky, difficult to use, and overall more troublesome than their typical worth for consumers. I'd like to see Apple shake up that market by making it even somewhat practical for use someday.
I'm all for new printer innovations, but LOL at thinking Apple would make those any better. What the world doesn't need is to have to pay even more money for ink cartridges simply because they have the Apple logo on the side of them.
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By Artemicion 2015-02-25 22:17:20
For example: Printers. For the past 2 decades, printers to this day remain as noisy, clunky, difficult to use, and overall more troublesome than their typical worth for consumers. I'd like to see Apple shake up that market by making it even somewhat practical for use someday.
I'm all for new printer innovations, but LOL at thinking Apple would make those any better. What the world doesn't need is to have to pay even more money for ink cartridges simply because they have the Apple logo on the side of them.
I remember seeing this photo of this guy who had stacks upon stacks of printers, because buying a new printer with the included ink cartridges was cheaper than buying replacement ink itself. I want to see somebody, frankly anybody fix that pathetic dilemma.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-02-26 00:07:57
For example: Printers. For the past 2 decades, printers to this day remain as noisy, clunky, difficult to use, and overall more troublesome than their typical worth for consumers. I'd like to see Apple shake up that market by making it even somewhat practical for use someday.
I'm all for new printer innovations, but LOL at thinking Apple would make those any better. What the world doesn't need is to have to pay even more money for ink cartridges simply because they have the Apple logo on the side of them.
I remember seeing this photo of this guy who had stacks upon stacks of printers, because buying a new printer with the included ink cartridges was cheaper than buying replacement ink itself. I want to see somebody, frankly anybody fix that pathetic dilemma.
It's actually a fatal flaw in the concept of the ink jet printer. The cartridges contain the actual print head and control circuits. The idea is to make the cartridges essentially the maintenance kits of the past. But, the side effect is that the rest of the printer is comprised of super low cost components that end up costing only slightly more to produce than the cartridges themselves.
The printers you buy now, though, contain way more features than the ones from a decade ago, and no longer cost less than the ink. So, someone solved the problem by making the printer more expensive rather than making the ink cheaper.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-02-26 00:17:15
Apple should stick to what it is good at selling phones to hipsters and wannabe hipsters.
They don't even seem like a computer company anymore. Apple may not innovate or invent anything, but their presence and name helps the competition try to "be better" than them, which only accelerates technology further.
I'm not an apple hater. I'll probably never own one of their products, but I think we'd be worse off without them. The only thing it accelerates is shitty designs, we can do without that.
i'm not an apple fan either but with that statement you have to be either trolling or are an idiot... Apple is driving technology, design, and user interfaces all at the same time by causing other manufactures to think out of the box and improve on their designs.
before iPhone came along the coolest phone was the RAZR and that flip phone design had remained the same for a good 10 years...
before Apple OS came around DOS and commmand line ruled the world...
before ipod came around you had CD/minidisc players and clunky mp3 players that were unusable and ultra expensive...
Apple TV came before Roku other players....
should i go on??
Kinda late to the party here, but I'll bite.
Apple has never "driven technology". They've taken innovative products, made them more user friendly, put them in front of a good marketing, and claimed patent rights on every aspect of it's design.
Before iPhone there were a handful of touch screen phones, a handful of internet ready phones, a handful with app developer suites, etc. Apple put a bunch of already innovated features into one package and marketed and sold it. Apps for iPhone? You must not have had one at launch, apps weren't even a thing at launch.
Before Apple OS there were several GUI OS's, mostly proprietary to professional equipment, but, again, Apple knocked off someone else's innovation, threw in some trendy features, and marketed it well.
If Apple is driving anything, it's driving selling other people's ideas at an inflated price to a population obsessed with consumption and trends.
Apple Inc., which has been working secretly on a car, is pushing its team to begin production of an electric vehicle as early as 2020, people with knowledge of the matter said.
The timeframe -- automakers typically spend five to seven years developing a car -- underscores the project’s aggressive goals and could set the stage for a battle for customers with Tesla Motors Inc. and General Motors Co. Both automakers are targeting a 2017 release of an electric vehicle that can go more than 200 miles on a single charge and cost less than $40,000.
“That’s the inflection point -- the proving ground -- that brings on the electric age,” Steve LeVine, author of “The Powerhouse,” a book about the automotive battery industry. “Now you have Apple coming in and this is critical mass. Was GM really going to be able to match Tesla? Apple can.”
Apple, which posted record profit of $18 billion during the past quarter, has $178 billion in cash with few avenues to spend it. The Cupertino, California-based company’s research and development costs were $6.04 billion in the past year, and Chief Executive Officer Tim Cook is facing increased pressure to return cash to shareholders. The CEO has been pushing the iPhone maker to enter new categories to further envelop users’ digital lives with Apple’s products and services.
Apple’s possible foray into cars follows a similar path it’s taken to break into other industries. The company wasn't the first to make a digital-music player or smartphone, and only entered those markets once it had a product that redefined those categories.
Apple representatives declined to comment for this story.
Car Team
Tesla’s success in creating a startup car company has shown that the traditional barriers of entry into the auto industry aren't as difficult to overcome as originally thought, said one person, who asked not to be identified because the matter is private. At the same time, automakers have struggled to bring technical leaps to car development, something that Silicon Valley is also seeking to accomplish. For example, Google Inc. has invested in developing an autonomous vehicle since 2010.
“Apple would have some advantages as a new entrant to the auto industry,” including its cash, ability to connect with its own devices and the infancy of the electric-vehicle market, Barclays analysts Ben Reitzes and Brian Johnson wrote in a note to investors. “Finally, Apple’s brand – arguably the most important advantage – is a big attraction for the next generation of car customers.”
Apple may decide to scrap its car effort or delay it if executives are unhappy with progress, as they've done before with other secret projects, the people said. The car team, which already has about 200 people, began ramping up hiring within the past couple of months as the company sought out experts in technologies for batteries and robotics, said one of the people.
Battery Lawsuit
An experienced automaker typically spends five to seven years developing a new vehicle before bringing it to market, according to Dennis Virag, president of Automotive Consulting Group.
“If you're starting from scratch, you're probably talking more like 10 years,” Virag said. “A car is a very complex technological machine.”
A lawsuit filed this month gives a window into Apple’s efforts to create a automotive team for the project. Apple began around June an “aggressive campaign to poach” employees from A123 Systems LLC, the Waltham, Massachusetts-based battery maker said in the lawsuit.
Apple hired five people from A123 and has tried to hire battery experts from LG Chem Ltd., Samsung Electronics Co., Panasonic Corp., Toshiba Corp. and Johnson Controls Inc., according to the lawsuit.
“Apple is currently developing a large-scale battery division to compete in the very same field as A123,” the battery maker said in a separate state-court filing.
The recent hiring effort at A123 began with Mujeeb Ijaz, a former Ford Motor Co. engineer, who founded A123’s Venture Technologies division, which focused on materials research, cell product development and advanced concepts. He began at Apple in June and began hiring direct reports from A123’s venture technologies division, which he had headed.
Tesla CEO Elon Musk said that Apple was seeking to hire away his workers, offering $250,000 signing bonuses and 60 percent salary increases.
Bricks and Mortar
“Apple is good at developing technology but car making is, and will continue to be, a bricks-and-mortar proposition,” Matt DeLorenzo, an analyst at Kelley Blue Book, wrote in an e-mail. “Apple will need a partner, perhaps a Chinese manufacturer, with an infrastructure if it’s going to hit the five-year goal.”
Some parts of the automotive industry seem unfazed by Silicon Valley’s increasing interest in the market. Last month, before Apple’s efforts were revealed, Volkswagen AG Chief Executive Officer Martin Winterkorn brushed off the increasing competition.
“We’re not afraid of these new competitors,” Winterkorn said at a reception outside Stuttgart, Germany. “The opposite is true: they encourage us to look more intensively into the chances of the digital world.”
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