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Apple Aims for Electric Car Production by 2020
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-02-22 19:20:38
Until they make a vehicle that runs on electricity and can go over a thousand miles between charges, then I'll buy one.
Instead, I'll just take my Nitro when I want to invade America on my yearly trip.
That doesn't make much sense, how many cars can go 1000 miles without needing to refuel?
They'd be a great change for inner city vehicles. Heck I live 20~ minutes away from work, and I still only fill up about once every two weeks. Now for a long trip, if you didn't want to take the time even for the fast recharge (assuming there's a station near you anyway) then yeah I can see it, but for a daily short-medium driver they'd be more than enough. Ok then, 400 miles, and that's how much my Nitro can go on long trips before hitting the "E"
By Jetackuu 2015-02-22 19:20:56
I guess people want to pay 40k for electric cars. Even if I had the money I would pass.
If it's a good quality car, it's not that much more than a current good quality one.
I mean no it won't be as cheap as a Ford/Kia POS, but damn.
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By fonewear 2015-02-22 19:21:55
Wouldn't it make more sense to just drive a hybrid they are about the same price and best of both worlds.
Call me skeptical I just don't see electric cars being relevant (widely driven) for quite a while.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-02-22 19:23:06
Until they make a vehicle that runs on electricity and can go over a thousand miles between charges, then I'll buy one.
Instead, I'll just take my Nitro when I want to invade America on my yearly trip. How would a car ever get to 1,000 miles if it can't start at 100, or 200, or 300?
I didn't post this topic because I think you all should buy one. I only said 1k miles because that's the longest I can drive in a day, and I would hate to have to go up to a charging station and wait for 30+ minutes just to get charged to full...
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-02-22 19:23:12
To be honest, I prefer an iPhone over Android. They are actually better quality than most phones.
That being said, I don't go out and buy the latest/greatest iPhone. I went from a iPhone 3 to iPhone 5s, and I will probably keep this 5s until it wears out in a couple more years, then I'll buy the latest iPhone that's around. My sister just got a 6, my parents both have a 4, and I have a 4s put away somewhere. If your phone is just your phone, a communication device, iPhones are fine, but I use my phone not only to communicate but also to research stuff, read, moderate, plan stuff out, shop, etc.
Pokemon is a good example despite being off-topic here. I basically decide on builds and look up a good build on Smogon and screenshot it. Android is better suited to my needs.
By Jetackuu 2015-02-22 19:24:32
Until they make a vehicle that runs on electricity and can go over a thousand miles between charges, then I'll buy one.
Instead, I'll just take my Nitro when I want to invade America on my yearly trip.
That doesn't make much sense, how many cars can go 1000 miles without needing to refuel?
They'd be a great change for inner city vehicles. Heck I live 20~ minutes away from work, and I still only fill up about once every two weeks. Now for a long trip, if you didn't want to take the time even for the fast recharge (assuming there's a station near you anyway) then yeah I can see it, but for a daily short-medium driver they'd be more than enough. Ok then, 400 miles, and that's how much my Nitro can go on long trips before hitting the "E" Not too bad for that oversized Dodge pos.
But they already are nearing 300 miles on a charge, give it time.
By Kalila 2015-02-22 19:24:58
Wouldn't it make more sense to just drive a hybrid they are about the same price and best of both worlds. If companies didn't go full on electric, without any reliance on gasoline, then it wouldn't ever happen.
Apple isn't the only company planning to make electric cars in the next 5 years, as the article says. Companies are making a push for electric, because if they don't who will? and when? How long would it be until a company releases their own electric car if they didn't start now?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-02-22 19:25:58
To be honest, I prefer an iPhone over Android. They are actually better quality than most phones.
That being said, I don't go out and buy the latest/greatest iPhone. I went from a iPhone 3 to iPhone 5s, and I will probably keep this 5s until it wears out in a couple more years, then I'll buy the latest iPhone that's around. My sister just got a 6, my parents both have a 4, and I have a 4s put away somewhere. If your phone is just your phone, a communication device, iPhones are fine, but I use my phone not only to communicate but also to research stuff, read, moderate, plan stuff out, shop, etc.
Pokemon is a good example despite being off-topic here. I basically decide on builds and look up a good build on Smogon and screenshot it. Android is better suited to my needs. I use my phone to talk/text/check emails and play Clash of Clans every so often. I also listen to my music (probably what is used the most) while at work.
I had a Samsung who would skip/delete songs while I was listening to it, and that phone would be dead after only 6 hours of usage, which sucks for me.
I have used my iPhone for 11+ hours of work and still never hit below 40% at the end of the day.
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By Bahamut.Rulerofdarkness 2015-02-22 19:27:58
I wish I only had to fill up every couple weeks or so. At the moment I have to fill up every week if not twice. Average around 80 miles every day that I work.
By Jetackuu 2015-02-22 19:28:14
Until they make a vehicle that runs on electricity and can go over a thousand miles between charges, then I'll buy one.
Instead, I'll just take my Nitro when I want to invade America on my yearly trip. How would a car ever get to 1,000 miles if it can't start at 100, or 200, or 300?
I didn't post this topic because I think you all should buy one. I only said 1k miles because that's the longest I can drive in a day, and I would hate to have to go up to a charging station and wait for 30+ minutes just to get charged to full... It looks like it takes a bit over an hour to do a full charge, but a half an hour will get you going again. Enough for a piss, a snack and a quick walk to stretch out the legs.
These probably aren't the best for the constant commuters yet.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-02-22 19:29:05
Until they make a vehicle that runs on electricity and can go over a thousand miles between charges, then I'll buy one.
Instead, I'll just take my Nitro when I want to invade America on my yearly trip.
That doesn't make much sense, how many cars can go 1000 miles without needing to refuel?
They'd be a great change for inner city vehicles. Heck I live 20~ minutes away from work, and I still only fill up about once every two weeks. Now for a long trip, if you didn't want to take the time even for the fast recharge (assuming there's a station near you anyway) then yeah I can see it, but for a daily short-medium driver they'd be more than enough. Ok then, 400 miles, and that's how much my Nitro can go on long trips before hitting the "E" Not too bad for that oversized Dodge pos.
But they already are nearing 300 miles on a charge, give it time. Wow, talk about extreme hatred for whatever you don't use.
We get that you don't like Chrysler-Dodge products, we get that you don't like iPhones, you don't have to call them POSs, they are actually good products, much better than Fords and Samsungs.
Although, to be honest, I rather have a Toyota Corolla, but this Nitro was a gift from my father and I'm a cheap *** mofo. I only buy things after they break down to the point that it's not worth fixing.
By fonewear 2015-02-22 19:29:16
Bahamut.Rulerofdarkness said: »I wish I only had to fill up every couple weeks or so. At the moment I have to fill up every week if not twice. Average around 80 miles every day that I work.
80 miles you live in Timbuktu !
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-02-22 19:31:49
Until they make a vehicle that runs on electricity and can go over a thousand miles between charges, then I'll buy one.
Instead, I'll just take my Nitro when I want to invade America on my yearly trip. To be honest, this is a lot to ask for. Dodge's Dart II Aero gets an estimated 41 MPG highway (2013-2014) and has a 13.2 Gallon fuel capacity which means it has a range of roughly 541.2 miles between fill-ups unless my math is wrong which it usually is.
EDIT: I never liked anything Mopar except Jeeps until I saw a Dodge Challenger in jazz blue. *mouth waters*
By fonewear 2015-02-22 19:32:33
It's 2015 instead of electric cars we should have flying cars.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-22 19:32:40
Wouldn't it make more sense to just drive a hybrid they are about the same price and best of both worlds.
Call me skeptical I just don't see electric cars being relevant (widely driven) for quite a while.
Not until the prices drop, but also at the same time it depends on how long the gas stays down, when it's back to $4+ or more a gallon, they will be looking quite tempting.
I just wonder when we'll start to travel in tubes.
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By Kalila 2015-02-22 19:34:32
Until they make a vehicle that runs on electricity and can go over a thousand miles between charges, then I'll buy one.
Instead, I'll just take my Nitro when I want to invade America on my yearly trip. To be honest, this is a lot to ask for. Dodge's Dart II Aero gets an estimated 41 MPG highway (2013-2014) and has a 13.2 Gallon fuel capacity which means it has a range of roughly 541.2 miles between fill-ups unless my math is wrong which it usually is.
EDIT: I never liked anything Mopar except Jeeps until I saw a Dodge Challenger in jazz blue. *mouth waters* Quick search result shows that someone drove it 506 miles on one tank of gas.
By Bloodrose 2015-02-22 19:35:29
The only fuel I need, is what I put into my iBody.
It requires iFood purchased at the convenience store, local supermarket, or garden.
By Jetackuu 2015-02-22 19:35:41
Until they make a vehicle that runs on electricity and can go over a thousand miles between charges, then I'll buy one.
Instead, I'll just take my Nitro when I want to invade America on my yearly trip.
That doesn't make much sense, how many cars can go 1000 miles without needing to refuel?
They'd be a great change for inner city vehicles. Heck I live 20~ minutes away from work, and I still only fill up about once every two weeks. Now for a long trip, if you didn't want to take the time even for the fast recharge (assuming there's a station near you anyway) then yeah I can see it, but for a daily short-medium driver they'd be more than enough. Ok then, 400 miles, and that's how much my Nitro can go on long trips before hitting the "E" Not too bad for that oversized Dodge pos.
But they already are nearing 300 miles on a charge, give it time. Wow, talk about extreme hatred for whatever you don't use.
We get that you don't like Chrysler-Dodge products, we get that you don't like iPhones, you don't have to call them POSs, they are actually good products, much better than Fords and Samsungs.
Although, to be honest, I rather have a Toyota Corolla, but this Nitro was a gift from my father and I'm a cheap *** mofo. I only buy things after they break down to the point that it's not worth fixing.
lol, no.
Has nothing to do with what I do or don't use, short of I don't use shitty products. As for vehicles: I stay away from American cars in general.
Toyota are solid though.
By Jetackuu 2015-02-22 19:36:14
It's 2015 instead of electric cars we should have flying cars. qft
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-02-22 19:37:01
Until they make a vehicle that runs on electricity and can go over a thousand miles between charges, then I'll buy one.
Instead, I'll just take my Nitro when I want to invade America on my yearly trip. To be honest, this is a lot to ask for. Dodge's Dart II Aero gets an estimated 41 MPG highway (2013-2014) and has a 13.2 Gallon fuel capacity which means it has a range of roughly 541.2 miles between fill-ups unless my math is wrong which it usually is.
EDIT: I never liked anything Mopar except Jeeps until I saw a Dodge Challenger in jazz blue. *mouth waters* Quick search result shows that someone drove it 506 miles on one tank of gas. That's probably more realistic. 41 MPG is an estimated/advertised mileage rating, I don't think they are exact. I've also seen the Dart II tagged as 36 MPG highway.
By Jetackuu 2015-02-22 19:40:20
It's sad, I've been looking at mid 2000's midsized SUVs to replace my car with, and I am having trouble even getting close to my MPG rating, and my car is 20+ years old...
Not even the rated amount, but what I've been getting, which has been 24~ish.
edit: at least I don't have to drive that Ford Expedition I rented the other week, pos was getting 12mpg...
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By Anna Ruthven 2015-02-22 19:44:41
It's sad, I've been looking at mid 2000's midsized SUVs to replace my car with, and I am having trouble even getting close to my MPG rating, and my car is 20+ years old...
Not even the rated amount, but what I've been getting, which has been 24~ish. My sister had an 86 Yugo that she once drove from Tulsa to Marshall, AR then drove around sightseeing all weekend and back to Tulsa on one tank. That car was insane...but she wrecked it, breaking her nose and slamming 3-year-old me against the windshield. I assume that's what is wrong with me. :)
By Jetackuu 2015-02-22 19:46:19
It's sad, I've been looking at mid 2000's midsized SUVs to replace my car with, and I am having trouble even getting close to my MPG rating, and my car is 20+ years old...
Not even the rated amount, but what I've been getting, which has been 24~ish. My sister had an 86 Yugo that she once drove from Tulsa to Marshall, AR then drove around sightseeing all weekend and back to Tulsa on one tank. That car was insane...but she wrecked it, breaking her nose and slamming 3-year-old me against the windshield. I assume that's what is wrong with me. :) and people wonder why they mandated safety restraints...
but no, I doubt that's all that is "wrong with you."
:D
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By Bahamut.Jezard 2015-02-22 20:09:15
I doubt apple is actually make a car. Its just them drawing a bunch of stuff on napkins and getting patents for the future with no intention of pursing and then suing any company that actually produced the tech.
By Jetackuu 2015-02-24 18:02:21
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By Fenrir.Camiie 2015-02-24 19:57:05
Does FOXCONN even have an auto plant and if so have they put the anti-suicide net up yet?
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By Leviathan.Klue 2015-02-24 20:25:47
I'd take a nice BMW for 40k instead of a Apple car...
you can't get a nice bmw for 40k... i have a 'meh' 328i xdrive sport line with some options and it is 52k
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By Leviathan.Klue 2015-02-24 20:33:55
Apple should stick to what it is good at selling phones to hipsters and wannabe hipsters.
They don't even seem like a computer company anymore. Apple may not innovate or invent anything, but their presence and name helps the competition try to "be better" than them, which only accelerates technology further.
I'm not an apple hater. I'll probably never own one of their products, but I think we'd be worse off without them. The only thing it accelerates is shitty designs, we can do without that.
i'm not an apple fan either but with that statement you have to be either trolling or are an idiot... Apple is driving technology, design, and user interfaces all at the same time by causing other manufactures to think out of the box and improve on their designs.
before iPhone came along the coolest phone was the RAZR and that flip phone design had remained the same for a good 10 years...
before Apple OS came around DOS and commmand line ruled the world...
before ipod came around you had CD/minidisc players and clunky mp3 players that were unusable and ultra expensive...
Apple TV came before Roku other players....
should i go on??
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2015-02-24 20:59:12
i'm not an apple fan either but with that statement you have to be either trolling or are an idiot... Apple is driving technology, design, and user interfaces all at the same time by causing other manufactures to think out of the box and improve on their designs.
before iPhone came along the coolest phone was the RAZR and that flip phone design had remained the same for a good 10 years...
before Apple OS came around DOS and commmand line ruled the world...
before ipod came around you had CD/minidisc players and clunky mp3 players that were unusable and ultra expensive...
Apple TV came before Roku other players....
should i go on??
Do you have any examples of things Apple actually innovated? All of these things are perfect examples of things that Apple stole ideas for and then heavily patented so no one else could use them for years.
If their history is anything, Apple may end up large in this field but it won't be due to innovation or new tech like Tesla's bringing, it will be through huge lawsuits and by throwing money everywhere until the stockholders blood-rage wears off.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-24 21:07:03
Apple should stick to what it is good at selling phones to hipsters and wannabe hipsters.
They don't even seem like a computer company anymore. Apple may not innovate or invent anything, but their presence and name helps the competition try to "be better" than them, which only accelerates technology further.
I'm not an apple hater. I'll probably never own one of their products, but I think we'd be worse off without them. The only thing it accelerates is shitty designs, we can do without that.
i'm not an apple fan either but with that statement you have to be either trolling or are an idiot... Apple is driving technology, design, and user interfaces all at the same time by causing other manufactures to think out of the box and improve on their designs.
before iPhone came along the coolest phone was the RAZR and that flip phone design had remained the same for a good 10 years...
before Apple OS came around DOS and commmand line ruled the world...
before ipod came around you had CD/minidisc players and clunky mp3 players that were unusable and ultra expensive...
Apple TV came before Roku other players....
should i go on?? lolwhat?
I'll admit they are driving technology, right into the toilet. The apple designs are ***.
The phone thing just isn't even true, stop believing hype.
again: wrong and hype, apple did not have the first gui.
Of course things predate the digital media player, but the rest of that line is purely subjective, so you're entitled to that opinion.
The last line is just a joke, while it did come before Roku streaming media devices have existed years before the Apple TV.
Drop your fanboyism and actually do some research.
Apple Inc., which has been working secretly on a car, is pushing its team to begin production of an electric vehicle as early as 2020, people with knowledge of the matter said.
The timeframe -- automakers typically spend five to seven years developing a car -- underscores the project’s aggressive goals and could set the stage for a battle for customers with Tesla Motors Inc. and General Motors Co. Both automakers are targeting a 2017 release of an electric vehicle that can go more than 200 miles on a single charge and cost less than $40,000.
“That’s the inflection point -- the proving ground -- that brings on the electric age,” Steve LeVine, author of “The Powerhouse,” a book about the automotive battery industry. “Now you have Apple coming in and this is critical mass. Was GM really going to be able to match Tesla? Apple can.”
Apple, which posted record profit of $18 billion during the past quarter, has $178 billion in cash with few avenues to spend it. The Cupertino, California-based company’s research and development costs were $6.04 billion in the past year, and Chief Executive Officer Tim Cook is facing increased pressure to return cash to shareholders. The CEO has been pushing the iPhone maker to enter new categories to further envelop users’ digital lives with Apple’s products and services.
Apple’s possible foray into cars follows a similar path it’s taken to break into other industries. The company wasn't the first to make a digital-music player or smartphone, and only entered those markets once it had a product that redefined those categories.
Apple representatives declined to comment for this story.
Car Team
Tesla’s success in creating a startup car company has shown that the traditional barriers of entry into the auto industry aren't as difficult to overcome as originally thought, said one person, who asked not to be identified because the matter is private. At the same time, automakers have struggled to bring technical leaps to car development, something that Silicon Valley is also seeking to accomplish. For example, Google Inc. has invested in developing an autonomous vehicle since 2010.
“Apple would have some advantages as a new entrant to the auto industry,” including its cash, ability to connect with its own devices and the infancy of the electric-vehicle market, Barclays analysts Ben Reitzes and Brian Johnson wrote in a note to investors. “Finally, Apple’s brand – arguably the most important advantage – is a big attraction for the next generation of car customers.”
Apple may decide to scrap its car effort or delay it if executives are unhappy with progress, as they've done before with other secret projects, the people said. The car team, which already has about 200 people, began ramping up hiring within the past couple of months as the company sought out experts in technologies for batteries and robotics, said one of the people.
Battery Lawsuit
An experienced automaker typically spends five to seven years developing a new vehicle before bringing it to market, according to Dennis Virag, president of Automotive Consulting Group.
“If you're starting from scratch, you're probably talking more like 10 years,” Virag said. “A car is a very complex technological machine.”
A lawsuit filed this month gives a window into Apple’s efforts to create a automotive team for the project. Apple began around June an “aggressive campaign to poach” employees from A123 Systems LLC, the Waltham, Massachusetts-based battery maker said in the lawsuit.
Apple hired five people from A123 and has tried to hire battery experts from LG Chem Ltd., Samsung Electronics Co., Panasonic Corp., Toshiba Corp. and Johnson Controls Inc., according to the lawsuit.
“Apple is currently developing a large-scale battery division to compete in the very same field as A123,” the battery maker said in a separate state-court filing.
The recent hiring effort at A123 began with Mujeeb Ijaz, a former Ford Motor Co. engineer, who founded A123’s Venture Technologies division, which focused on materials research, cell product development and advanced concepts. He began at Apple in June and began hiring direct reports from A123’s venture technologies division, which he had headed.
Tesla CEO Elon Musk said that Apple was seeking to hire away his workers, offering $250,000 signing bonuses and 60 percent salary increases.
Bricks and Mortar
“Apple is good at developing technology but car making is, and will continue to be, a bricks-and-mortar proposition,” Matt DeLorenzo, an analyst at Kelley Blue Book, wrote in an e-mail. “Apple will need a partner, perhaps a Chinese manufacturer, with an infrastructure if it’s going to hit the five-year goal.”
Some parts of the automotive industry seem unfazed by Silicon Valley’s increasing interest in the market. Last month, before Apple’s efforts were revealed, Volkswagen AG Chief Executive Officer Martin Winterkorn brushed off the increasing competition.
“We’re not afraid of these new competitors,” Winterkorn said at a reception outside Stuttgart, Germany. “The opposite is true: they encourage us to look more intensively into the chances of the digital world.”
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