Killer Instinct: The Beastmaster Compendium

I just found out we can't use trusts when having a charmed pet.
Is this intended?
I keep getting the message "Can't use trust magic while having gained enmity"

... ofcourse! they intend us to never use charm again.

release pet, then summon trusts, then charm again...

not hard to work around.

Apologies for the delay! I missed this message until just now.

For my cleaving, I summon Vivacious Gaston and use Charged Whisker. Aymur is my primary weapon since it gives Pet TP Bonus of +1000 (with empy gloves +3, that's 1700 TP Bonus), and I offhand Agwu's for the pet stats +20 and pet magic accuracy +50. Now, for what I'm about to say, keep in mind that I have two additional chars, and one of them is a GEO. The damage that I can get when Geo-Malaise is up (and all mobs have been tagged by the GEO) is 20-23k on your average mob that takes normal lightning damage, and that's usually enough to kill anything that isn't a transcended monster.

Before I was geared enough to take them all out in a single AoE, I would use Sweltering (Sultry) Patrice and Fluid Spread. That pet offers far more survivability with their slashing damage resistance, especially if you quickly switch to tanking gear after your ready move goes off. And they can heal themselves with Digest for when Reward isnt up, and you don't want to use a Dawn Mulsum.

I've toyed around with various pets and the magical and physical AoE's that they have, and this is what I came up with for me and my setup. Charged Whisker gave me the best results for magical damage, and Fluid Spread gave me the best physical damage. My testing excluded anything that wasn't a full AoE (conals are too annoying to line up for me), so I excluded quite a few moves.

Oh, not quite related to Omen, but I wanted to make sure other Beastmasters were aware of this, just in case anyone hasn't used this. One of the best 2-step skillchains to use has been Swooping Frenzy to Savage Blade for a high damage light. Swooping Frenzy applies a -25% defense debuff on the mob, which makes your savage high even harder. But the Yellow Beetle pets (Yellow Beetle Familiar & Energized Safina) have their Rhinowrecker move that also is a conal that applies -25% defense down, AND it can skillchain with Savage Blade to make light. Rhinowrecker hits far harder than Swooping Frenzy, and still lets you Savage Blade afterward for a powerful light skillchain. I use Rhinowrecker > Savage Blade in Sortie currently, and it can just trash things.

Yeah i know and that's what i do, but its kind of stupid.

Especially if i'm mid chain and i want to resummon a trust that died.
I'll lose all my tp as my charm set has different weapons than tp set

And it needs to spin during Fluid Spread!

Curiously, how are you having your GEO safely tag everything?

I have her cast Dispelga, hits everything and doesn't wake anything up. You could also use Sleepga if you're /BLM, same effect with the added bonus of applying sleep, but my GEO is /WHM, so dispelga it is for her. I just sleep things on my other alt that's on BRD.

Ok listen up, this is very random but still.
Ive got a Ody static, and probably like all the ones farming ody C, we're bored, to a point where we decided to change roles withing the party and go in (only segments farm)
Turns out I'll be the tank as bst.
I mean, seg C farm doesn't really need a tank anyway these days.
My idea would be to go in as Bst/Blu, gear up as much DT and enmity as possible, pop Sultry Patrice, horde pull, and stand there using enmity generating blu spells, and then snarl it to patrice.
Problem is, i will never be able to cast said spells because mobs will interrupt me.
So, can i snarl my enmity to patrice right after the big pull?
Would snarl work with enmity generated by aggro only?
Also, who would have more survivability, myself or patrice?
The major point for me would be to keep hate, even tho we will have sleepga.
Also...any axe with enmity+?
Or sword really, or whatever weapon bst can equip
As for shield probably the beatific shield +1?
Thanks, and sorry again, you prbably have better things to do than answering these pointless questions haha

Sacro Bulwark is a really good defensive shield for BST.

Yep.
I never bothered but I'm not sure if you can build a SirD set on BST.

Spoiler: Yes you can. The maximum amount of SirD you can get on BST is 116 if I'm not wrong.
Considering the 10 from merits, you need 92 in gear to cap SirD.

ItemSet 392603

This would give you 2% more SirD than needed.
This set would also give you 53% DT.
Can honestly swap the 2x Empy+3 and 3x Acro pieces you want. You could pick Empy hands instead of Empy head, or you could go for Hands+Head without legs, up to you, all combinations would bring you above 50% DT.

For Artio:
VIT+30
Eva/MEva+20
Enmity+10
SirD+10

For Acro you need these augs on each piece:
Snow: Def+25
Leaf: SIRD+10
Dusk: Vit+10 or HP+50
Only leaf is mandatory to be capped, the other augs can be lower
(technically you can afford one acro piece with 8% or 2 acro pieces with 9%, since you're 2% above cap with this set)


Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Snarl works on that, alas.


Mafic Cudgel
Freydis
Otherwise there's Svalinn (Shield)



All things said and done, wouldn't you be better with another pet? Like a Crab one to get the 100% more defense buff?
Would go along well with Cocoon from /BLU, supposing they stack but I think they should?

haha, I'm just seeing this now. Thank you!!! :)

I doubt they stack. Both should be standard def boost. That being said I wouldn't bother with trying to cast anything on BST. People will take hate off you anyway imo. Probably best approach is to just supertank them on pull and apply corrosive ooze on everything. Def down will greatly help capping attack with more PDL and attack down will let people take hits after taking hate. Use fish or crab to apply +100% def then switch to slug. I'm not sure what subjob is best here. /Pld might be really helpful for pulling Agon mobs with Sentinel.

Thank you for the detailed explanation. I just love hearing about BST success stories in sortie.

Sechs <3
Thanks, really appreciate it.
I would use Patrice only to get rid of the enemies attacking me.
So basically, i happily dance in the middle of the area aggroing all the mobs there in a full DT set, go back where my teammates are waiting for me, pop a fluid spread so i get them off me and then horde lullaby kicks in.
And when the DDs do whatever they need to do, i would use blu spells in an enmity/dt gear.
Again, i think it's going to be completely pointless as normally mobs in C go down with 2sb but still.

Even supposing you manage to get a decent SirD set with capped DT and as much +Enmity you can, I seriously doubt you'd be able to keep enmity from even a super weak DD.
You'd have trouble keeping hate from an average healer maybe lol

You would do better with the +10 enmity SCH spell (Animus: Augeo) maybe but that would hardly be a difference.

The only purpose of using an AoE /BLU spell would be for tagging and then Snarl enemies onto your pet, I guess. I don't really see you able to keep enmity from anything as BST.

Tagging enemies with an AoE ready move from your pet sounds way more effective, if you ask me. At that point you could even consider going /WAR for Defender maybe, I dunno, ymmv.


Keep in mind that some groups cannot be lullabied (Qutrubs, Rams), and some groups can be dangerous, especially on floor 3 and 4. Like the Korrigans (black mandies). They crit often and attack very fast, can be a problem for you unless you have uhm a couple of Minne maybe, and def food. Boosting your base def that way would also make Cocoon stronger, since it works in % of your base def.
But yeah, in general if you want to pull multiple groups on floor 3 or higher you're gonna need something more than just capped DT and Cocoon, I'm afraid.

Yeah, I really wish pet enmity gear would augment enmity transferred during snarl.

also wish pet self-buffing moves would actually generate enmity, but they do not.

So again why not use slug and corrosive ozee again?
-33% attack would be way more effective to mitigate damage and for everyone, not just for BST. -33%def would allow for faster kills, which for most DDs would pretty much result in killing target before it can tp move. If you want to use BST you should cutter to your strong points, not try to mimic RUN or PLD and do what they do, just in very ineffective way.

There were posts somewhat recently about counter builds for BST. I would probably look at that to see if you can get mileage out of it.

If bunnies took damage better, I'd tell you to use them for the AoE heals or just a hippogryph for Jettatura if positioning was easier.

Because I'm not sure about its survivability.
Slug is awesome because is extremely strong against magic dmg, but physical not so much.
Patrice is extremely hard to kill with phys dmg.

Anyway, it worked lol, but it was pretty useless.
Went in as bst/blu (useless, next time I'll try bst/war), pulled them all, used fluid spread, got mobs off me, brd slept them, dd started killing them one by one.
As Sechs said, it was impossible for me to gain hate once the DD started killing them.
At some point i also tried to snarl the aggro enmity, so pulled the group got back to "camp" used snarl, didnt work. mobs killed me lol.
anyway, it was fun, next week ill try /war.

Compared to slime alot of the pets seem like paper but slugs pretty sturdy, good hp, high def, just needs the pet dt set like most pets do

The "aggro" enmity you get it's kinda like supertanking. Mobs will be on you but you won't be able to snarl that enmity unless you take a direct action on them first.
If you do that, then you can snarl all you like.

Not 100% sure but I think that's how it works.



I think you should re-value what Simon said though. Yes Slug doesn't have a lot of survivability. So what? Ride the Call Beast timer, use reward, use dawn musulm. It's not like it's super expensive, just spam those Slugs like there's no tomorrow.

just verifying you are correct. the only mob on the masters hate list is the one you set pet to engage against. all the aoe damage is exactly super tanking. master is just not on the hate list yet.

bst has no enmity tools for building enmity.. the one master can get itself is feral howl... which isn't bad as a 1 off trick, but merits are better spent elsewhere imo. I used to keep 1 merit in it, but It ws so rare that I used it, and the recast was so poor, its never gonna be an enmity tool itself.

so bst is entirely dependant upon support job for this.. if you want quick, cheap enmity, sub rune fencer is best bet, but you won't get the AoE claiming that you get w/ sub blu.

/blu you can build up enmity w/ aoe spells, then snarl it all, and counter build works pretty well, but it takes time and you dont' want to waste that much time in odc.

either /run or /blu you will need outside support for refresh, otherwise you will run out of mp very quickly.

which is exactly why I'm a broken record about pet self-buffing ready moves generating enmity.
crab would be an awesome aoe tank at that point. swap to enmity set for those self buffing moves: metallic body, scissor guard, bubble curtain and cycle them. it protects both master and pet, plus it could generate enmity on pet it would be very fun. Also bubble shower could aoe claim. also /dnc is bst's best support job imo, and it could be used to self cure on master and snarl away.

bst is already a very busy job when managing both pet and master. if you add mp and enmity management on top of that, you are overstretched.

if I am going to tank on bst, I would /run and single target tank and probably tanking on master instead of pet. using pet to support master w/ either curing or the usually suspects already mentioned. killer instinct, counter, and all the ja/s and foil from /run are pretty good for a single target.snarl would become an emergency button to get damage off bst for a bit while curing up.

It's more about QOL for me, patrice has a 360' aoe while arthur has a conal one.
I'll try anyway, as i said, this is just for fun, so the more options the better.
Hell, im going to try Glenn at some point xD

I was guilty of this assumption at some time too. Corrosive Ooze is 360AoE. The other Ooze is conal.

BST/RUN
Spinning Scythe > Foil > Snarl

The obvious choice.

Pair with Crude Raphie for optimal nostalgia.

=OOOOOO

Is there any pet that give Magic Def down to enemies?

Tulfaire

Oh nice!
I thought it was only phys dmg down.
And it also makes Light with Cloudsplitter.
I now have guttler and Aymur R15, and i fell in love with magical ws, so i was unsure if i wanted to work toward augmenting farsha or tri edge.
Ill go with Farsha