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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-01-20 15:37:46
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I laughed at this picture if only because most Americans wouldn't give a *** about someone burning a state flag because they don't even know what the state flag looks like. That's because most Americans aren't as great as Texans are!
Unfortunately, with Texas flag being shown pretty much anywhere and everywhere around the state, there are some people in the state that doesn't know what it looks like.....
...damn infants!
To be honest, most state flags look awful and we should devote state time to re-sdesigning them with all haste.
In good news, the Alaska state flag looks pretty cool. Can we trade that for the junk New York is stuck with?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-01-20 15:41:12
*searches* Meh, it's the same as EU but shaped like the big dipper :| I've seen better!
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-01-20 15:41:53
*searches* Meh, it's the same as EU but shaped like the big dipper :| I've seen better!
Look at the other US state flags and weep.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-01-20 15:44:44
Psssttt...Sparth! Why barter with the Alaskans when you could have Sinatra?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-01-20 15:45:37
Wyoming is funny.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-20 15:47:47
The Jehovah's Witnesses stopped coming to my door when a pair of them saw me covered in chicken blood, and a headless chicken in one hand, a block knife in the other, and a satanic ritual being performed in my living room.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-20 15:47:48
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I laughed at this picture if only because most Americans wouldn't give a *** about someone burning a state flag because they don't even know what the state flag looks like. That's because most Americans aren't as great as Texans are!
Unfortunately, with Texas flag being shown pretty much anywhere and everywhere around the state, there are some people in the state that doesn't know what it looks like.....
...damn infants!
To be honest, most state flags look awful and we should devote state time to re-sdesigning them with all haste.
In good news, the Alaska state flag looks pretty cool. Can we trade that for the junk New York is stuck with? You got to admit, a lot of thought was put into the design of the Texas flag...........
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-20 15:49:10
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I laughed at this picture if only because most Americans wouldn't give a *** about someone burning a state flag because they don't even know what the state flag looks like. That's because most Americans aren't as great as Texans are!
Unfortunately, with Texas flag being shown pretty much anywhere and everywhere around the state, there are some people in the state that doesn't know what it looks like.....
...damn infants!
To be honest, most state flags look awful and we should devote state time to re-sdesigning them with all haste.
In good news, the Alaska state flag looks pretty cool. Can we trade that for the junk New York is stuck with? You got to admit, a lot of thought was put into the design of the Texas flag...........
............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ .... and that's the only thought that ever went into Texas and produce good results!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-20 15:51:29
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I laughed at this picture if only because most Americans wouldn't give a *** about someone burning a state flag because they don't even know what the state flag looks like. That's because most Americans aren't as great as Texans are!
Unfortunately, with Texas flag being shown pretty much anywhere and everywhere around the state, there are some people in the state that doesn't know what it looks like.....
...damn infants!
To be honest, most state flags look awful and we should devote state time to re-sdesigning them with all haste.
In good news, the Alaska state flag looks pretty cool. Can we trade that for the junk New York is stuck with? You got to admit, a lot of thought was put into the design of the Texas flag...........
............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ .... and that's the only thought that ever went into Texas and produce good results! ....
That's it, I'm annexing Canada! Well, except for Quebec.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-20 15:55:27
Well, at least he didn't deny it!
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-01-20 15:58:26
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I laughed at this picture if only because most Americans wouldn't give a *** about someone burning a state flag because they don't even know what the state flag looks like. That's because most Americans aren't as great as Texans are!
Unfortunately, with Texas flag being shown pretty much anywhere and everywhere around the state, there are some people in the state that doesn't know what it looks like.....
...damn infants!
To be honest, most state flags look awful and we should devote state time to re-sdesigning them with all haste.
In good news, the Alaska state flag looks pretty cool. Can we trade that for the junk New York is stuck with? You got to admit, a lot of thought was put into the design of the Texas flag...........
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Apparently the North American Vexillological Association looks highly upon the Texan flag. And on this day I learned what Vexillological means.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-01-21 02:24:52
The only thing that bother me and I can't understand is if we're smarter than those religious people why are we doing useless thing that we know will cause riot and might cause more attack on our soil ? 1. It has nothing to do with being smarter than religious people or not. There are smart religious individuals just like there are dumb non-religious people. Normal distribution applies (most likely).
2. Why do people protest injustices (according to their personal morals) even though they know others will disagree with them and they may get hurt or die while protesting? Why do people set-up boycott campaigns even though they could come under pressure from family, friends, or work? Why do people confront bullies? Why do whistleblowers exist when they could go to jail or be killed? Why do people disagree with each other when that will lead to arguments and strife?
By taking the "safe" way and refusing to discuss or criticize a religion because of fear of reprisal is to live a cowardly and anxious life. If that is your (general) choice, ok. But you do not get to make that choice for the rest of civilization.
By Blazed1979 2015-01-21 09:24:35
The only thing that bother me and I can't understand is if we're smarter than those religious people why are we doing useless thing that we know will cause riot and might cause more attack on our soil ? 1. It has nothing to do with being smarter than religious people or not. There are smart religious individuals just like there are dumb non-religious people. Normal distribution applies (most likely).
2. Why do people protest injustices (according to their personal morals) even though they know others will disagree with them and they may get hurt or die while protesting? Why do people set-up boycott campaigns even though they could come under pressure from family, friends, or work? Why do people confront bullies? Why do whistleblowers exist when they could go to jail or be killed? Why do people disagree with each other when that will lead to arguments and strife?
By taking the "safe" way and refusing to discuss or criticize a religion because of fear of reprisal is to live a cowardly and anxious life. If that is your (general) choice, ok. But you do not get to make that choice for the rest of civilization.
So boycott campaigns, demonstrations and protests are the same as vulgar drawings that grossly misrepresent the subject?
Tell me Kara, were they trying to boycott Islam or the Prophet? Did they intend to create a debate and intellectual discourse through their drawings? Must be a pretty low-set bar.
What kind of conversation would you imagine would arise as a result of those drawings? What exactly, as Muslims, can we say to those drawings? What should we address? I'm VERY curious to hear your opinion on this.
Maybe its just me, but I always thought that the fastest way to exit and end a debate is to start flinging insults and attacks at the other side. Such would/should result in one side exiting the convo or responding in similar fashion.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-01-21 13:03:56
The only thing that bother me and I can't understand is if we're smarter than those religious people why are we doing useless thing that we know will cause riot and might cause more attack on our soil ? 1. It has nothing to do with being smarter than religious people or not. There are smart religious individuals just like there are dumb non-religious people. Normal distribution applies (most likely).
2. Why do people protest injustices (according to their personal morals) even though they know others will disagree with them and they may get hurt or die while protesting? Why do people set-up boycott campaigns even though they could come under pressure from family, friends, or work? Why do people confront bullies? Why do whistleblowers exist when they could go to jail or be killed? Why do people disagree with each other when that will lead to arguments and strife?
By taking the "safe" way and refusing to discuss or criticize a religion because of fear of reprisal is to live a cowardly and anxious life. If that is your (general) choice, ok. But you do not get to make that choice for the rest of civilization.
So boycott campaigns, demonstrations and protests are the same as vulgar drawings that grossly misrepresent the subject?
Tell me Kara, were they trying to boycott Islam or the Prophet? Did they intend to create a debate and intellectual discourse through their drawings? Must be a pretty low-set bar.
What kind of conversation would you imagine would arise as a result of those drawings? What exactly, as Muslims, can we say to those drawings? What should we address? I'm VERY curious to hear your opinion on this.
Maybe its just me, but I always thought that the fastest way to exit and end a debate is to start flinging insults and attacks at the other side. Such would/should result in one side exiting the convo or responding in similar fashion. What...
Re-read what I responded to and my response. Was I implying any of those to examples in this particular situation (I love how you didn't repeat the whistleblower question since it doesn't fit your narrative)? No, I was not.
The question I answered was basically why do or say something that could potentially cause a violent reaction. All of my above examples can do that but people still do them, for a variety of reasons.
As to the rest of your rant:
I think Muslims should learn to take an freaking joke. Maybe learn to laugh or ask why people are poking fun. Example: The Danish cartoons that pissed off the Islamic world was meant to include Muslims in the Danish culture. Danish humor is making fun of friends, if they don't like you they won't poke fun or joke with you.
Obviously based on many previous threads insulting people is ok with you, just not when people insult Islam.
How many times on this website have you referred to women as ***, ***, implied they all be crazy, are less intelligent then men, are good only in the kitchen or bed, or some other crap of I-hate-women-who-don't-want-me-because-feminist? How many times have you and several others on this site bitched about females and made sexist jokes?
You haven't been banned, your life hasn't been threatened, and you are still alive.
If you think the fastest way to exit a debate is to insult someone that must mean you don't debate much because it seems to be your primary debate method when dealing with topics or people you hold in low regard.
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By Asura.Ccl 2015-01-21 13:53:45
I asked about doing something useless beside making people mad; now we know it will just create riot and risk attack for ZERO reward on our side so why are we still doing it ?
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-21 13:56:24
I asked about doing something useless beside making people mad; now we know it will just create riot and risk attack for ZERO reward on our side so why are we still doing it ? It isn't something that is useless besides making people mad. False premise is false.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-01-21 14:02:53
I asked about doing something useless beside making people mad; now we know it will just create riot and risk attack for ZERO reward on our side so why are we still doing it ? One would have to try rather hard to do something both provocative and useless. Humor magazines like Charlie Hebdo are making a statement, though. That it incites anger among the sociopathic or (deliberately) ill-informed is hardly justification to silence that statement.
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By Asura.Ccl 2015-01-21 14:15:22
Why do they not just make drawing about those terrorist then instead of drawing that will make everyone in the muslim(and not just the ill informed/sociopathic one) world disagree with it ?
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-01-21 14:17:05
Why do they not just make drawing about those terrorist then instead of drawing that will make everyone in the muslim(and not just the ill informed/sociopathic one) world disagree with it ? Because it would incite the same rage from the morons, so why not go for the bigger target? Anyhow, lots of their stuff was aimed at terrorists and their leadership. A quick perusal shows that it wasn't exclusively about Mohamed.
By Blazed1979 2015-01-21 14:20:33
Quote: e-read what I responded to and my response. Was I implying any of those to examples in this particular situation (I love how you didn't repeat the whistleblower question since it doesn't fit your narrative)? No, I was not.
The question I answered was basically why do or say something that could potentially cause a violent reaction. All of my above examples can do that but people still do them, for a variety of reasons.
Your question of "why" answers itself. It is because of the "why" that anyone should do anything.
Quote: As to the rest of your rant:
I think Muslims should learn to take an freaking joke. Maybe learn to laugh or ask why people are poking fun. Example: The Danish cartoons that pissed off the Islamic world was meant to include Muslims in the Danish culture. Danish humor is making fun of friends, if they don't like you they won't poke fun or joke with you.
You don't think very well then because you just grouped at least a 5th of the world's inhabitants that are spread across all continents and speak hundreds of different languages. But please continue to see things through your subjective reality and complain when others do the same.
Quote: Obviously based on many previous threads insulting people is ok with you, just not when people insult Islam.
How many times on this website have you referred to women as ***, ***, implied they all be crazy, are less intelligent then men, are good only in the kitchen or bed, or some other crap of I-hate-women-who-don't-want-me-because-feminist? How many times have you and several others on this site bitched about females and made sexist jokes?
You haven't been banned, your life hasn't been threatened, and you are still alive.
If you think the fastest way to exit a debate is to insult someone that must mean you don't debate much because it seems to be your primary debate method when dealing with topics or people you hold in low regard.
I'm actually happily married and have children. You might be too obtuse to realize that when I go off character and assume the "thug, pimp, playa" tone I am actually poking fun at that kind of man and belittling him. I'm def not pro feminist or a male apologist though. Can you comprehend that I can be a proud hetrosexual male and still be respectful to women without being a feminist cheerboy?
Exiting a debate and ending doesn't mean the exchange ends. It just means it stops being a debate and starts being a come back contest.
I'm also human and can get offended by certain stereotypes that push me buttons which then break open the internal chimp's cage.
Back on topic, those cartoons were aimed at Muslims knowing full well how Muslims would react.
If I call a man a *** it isn't going to have the same effect as calling a woman one.
Call me a *** if you like, but lets have someone call you one and then gauge the reaction. (I'm not calling you one) I'm simply demonstrating that communication of any kind needs to take into account the audience. Those cartoons were aimed at muslims.
What does the west do after the terrorist attack? They publish more of them. There is NO respect. The west does not recognize Islam or Muslims as equals.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-21 14:20:57
You know, the relative lack of outrage over the killings in comparison to the pictures is increasingly disturbing.
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By Asura.Ccl 2015-01-21 14:21:48
Why do they not just make drawing about those terrorist then instead of drawing that will make everyone in the muslim(and not just the ill informed/sociopathic one) world disagree with it ? Because it would incite the same rage from the morons, so why not go for the bigger target? Anyhow, lots of their stuff was aimed at terrorists and their leadership. A quick perusal shows that it wasn't exclusively about Mohamed.
So since our target will rage anyway might aswell make the whole muslim angry and you guys can see any earnings/good thing from that.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-01-21 14:25:13
They were generally mocking Islam. They mock Judaism, Catholicism, and basically any other religion that has a presence in the mass media. The whole point was deliberately anti-religion.
Even then, one of Charlie Hebdo's covers has a sad, crying Mohamed saying something like (I'm paraphrasing) "It's really hard having these people as followers." If some psychotic cares about a secular humor magazine with a limited readership portraying the Prophet, is that a reason to avoid pointing out that Islam is cheapened by claiming such psychotics within its population?
By Blazed1979 2015-01-21 14:25:19
You know, the relative lack of outrage over the killings in comparison to the pictures is increasingly disturbing.
Relative lack of outrage from who?
The same world that has watched millions of Iraqi and syrians die?
The same world that has watched Israhell annihilate the palestinians?
The same world that allowed the top 1% to shore up 50% of the world's resources and wealth?
Were you expecting no consequences from this upside down world?
People are going to get desensitized. Don't be so naive.
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By Blazed1979 2015-01-21 14:27:27
Why do they not just make drawing about those terrorist then instead of drawing that will make everyone in the muslim(and not just the ill informed/sociopathic one) world disagree with it ? Because it would incite the same rage from the morons, so why not go for the bigger target? Anyhow, lots of their stuff was aimed at terrorists and their leadership. A quick perusal shows that it wasn't exclusively about Mohamed.
Oh so you admit you think the bigger, and true, target is Islam and the Muslims themselves?
So then we are at war in your head?
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By Asura.Ccl 2015-01-21 14:29:43
They were generally mocking Islam. They mock Judaism, Catholicism, and basically any other religion that has a presence in the mass media. The whole point was deliberately anti-religion.
Even then, one of Charlie Hebdo's covers has a sad, crying Mohamed saying something like (I'm paraphrasing) "It's really hard having these people as followers." If some psychotic cares about a secular humor magazine with a limited readership portraying the Prophet, is that a reason to avoid pointing out that Islam is cheapened by claiming such psychotics within its population?
I believe we shouldn't be provocative/hurt people if it doesn't have any benefit for us and I cannot see any benefit from this for us.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-01-21 14:30:25
So then we are at war in your head? Who is we?
I think you're a complete nutter, if that's what you're asking. I know lots of Muslims who are capable of being reasonable right up until someone makes fun of their imaginary friend, but I know lots of Catholics who are the same way, so I just roll my eyes at the lot of you.
Little hint: someone who doesn't share your beliefs and openly mocks them is not voicing an opinion that should have any impact on you. If you really believe what you believe. But you don't, do you?
I believe we shouldn't be provocative/hurt people if it doesn't have any benefit for us and I cannot see any benefit from this for us. Who is us?
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-21 14:31:07
Quote: e-read what I responded to and my response. Was I implying any of those to examples in this particular situation (I love how you didn't repeat the whistleblower question since it doesn't fit your narrative)? No, I was not.
The question I answered was basically why do or say something that could potentially cause a violent reaction. All of my above examples can do that but people still do them, for a variety of reasons.
Your question of "why" answers itself. It is because of the "why" that anyone should do anything.
Quote: As to the rest of your rant:
I think Muslims should learn to take an freaking joke. Maybe learn to laugh or ask why people are poking fun. Example: The Danish cartoons that pissed off the Islamic world was meant to include Muslims in the Danish culture. Danish humor is making fun of friends, if they don't like you they won't poke fun or joke with you.
You don't think very well then because you just grouped at least a 5th of the world's inhabitants that are spread across all continents and speak hundreds of different languages. But please continue to see things through your subjective reality and complain when others do the same.
Quote: Obviously based on many previous threads insulting people is ok with you, just not when people insult Islam.
How many times on this website have you referred to women as ***, ***, implied they all be crazy, are less intelligent then men, are good only in the kitchen or bed, or some other crap of I-hate-women-who-don't-want-me-because-feminist? How many times have you and several others on this site bitched about females and made sexist jokes?
You haven't been banned, your life hasn't been threatened, and you are still alive.
If you think the fastest way to exit a debate is to insult someone that must mean you don't debate much because it seems to be your primary debate method when dealing with topics or people you hold in low regard.
I'm actually happily married and have children. You might be too obtuse to realize that when I go off character and assume the "thug, pimp, playa" tone I am actually poking fun at that kind of man and belittling him. I'm def not pro feminist or a male apologist though. Can you comprehend that I can be a proud hetrosexual male and still be respectful to women without being a feminist cheerboy?
Exiting a debate and ending doesn't mean the exchange ends. It just means it stops being a debate and starts being a come back contest.
I'm also human and can get offended by certain stereotypes that push me buttons which then break open the internal chimp's cage.
Back on topic, those cartoons were aimed at Muslims knowing full well how Muslims would react.
If I call a man a *** it isn't going to have the same effect as calling a woman one.
Call me a *** if you like, but lets have someone call you one and then gauge the reaction. (I'm not calling you one) I'm simply demonstrating that communication of any kind needs to take into account the audience. Those cartoons were aimed at muslims.
What does the west do after the terrorist attack? They publish more of them. There is NO respect. The west does not recognize Islam or Muslims as equals. Didn't you start a nuked thread bitching about how bad women were?
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By Asura.Ccl 2015-01-21 14:32:12
So then we are at war in your head? Who is we?
I think you're a complete nutter, if that's what you're asking. I know lots of Muslims who are capable of being reasonable right up until someone makes fun of their imaginary friend, but I know lots of Catholics who are the same way, so I just roll my eyes at the lot of you.
Little hint: someone who doesn't share your beliefs and openly mocks them is not voicing an opinion that should have any impact on you. If you really believe what you believe. But you don't, do you?
I believe we shouldn't be provocative/hurt people if it doesn't have any benefit for us and I cannot see any benefit from this for us. Who is us? us= France
By Blazed1979 2015-01-21 14:34:34
So then we are at war in your head? Who is we?
I think you're a complete nutter, if that's what you're asking. I know lots of Muslims who are capable of being reasonable right up until someone makes fun of their imaginary friend, but I know lots of Catholics who are the same way, so I just roll my eyes at the lot of you.
Little hint: someone who doesn't share your beliefs and openly mocks them is not voicing an opinion that should have any impact on you. If you really believe what you believe. But you don't, do you?
I believe we shouldn't be provocative/hurt people if it doesn't have any benefit for us and I cannot see any benefit from this for us. Who is us?
False. I have principles, values and beliefs. You can poke at them as much as you want. But there's a rather large difference between two individuals conversing over something and a public media outlet or publication influencing the public's opinion on matters that will in the medium to long term have tangible and observable implications on a group or groups of people.
I'll take your nutter comment and raise you a "I think you're a total idiot if you can't comprehend that."
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On today's episode of P&R we take a trip to France.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/1/7/at-least-10-deadinshootingatparissatiricalmagazine.html
Quote: Gunmen stormed the offices of satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo in central Paris on Wednesday, leaving at least 12 people dead and sparking a massive manhunt for the killers.
Clad all in black with hoods and machine guns and speaking flawless French, the three attackers, who are now believed to be on the run, forced one of the publication's cartoonists, Corinne Rey, who was at the office with her young daughter, to open the door. In an interview with the newspaper L'Humanité, she said the entire shooting, which left 10 journalists and two police officers dead, lasted about five minutes.
Staff members of the magazine, which has courted controversy and the offense of some Muslims for publishing cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad, were in an editorial meeting at the time. The gunmen headed straight for the paper's editor, Stéphane Charbonnier — widely known by his pen name, Charb — killing him and his police bodyguard, said Christophe Crepin, a police union spokesman on the scene.
Minutes later, gunmen were seen walking to a black car waiting below, calmly firing on a police officer, with one of the killers shooting him in the head as he writhed on the ground.
"Hey! We avenged the Prophet Muhammad! We killed Charlie Hebdo," one of the men shouted, according to a video shot from a nearby building and broadcast on French television. The video could not immediately be confirmed by Al Jazeera.
Large numbers of police and ambulances rushed to the scene, where shocked residents spilled into the streets. Reporters also saw bullet-riddled windows and people being carried out on stretchers.
Bernard Cazeneuve, France's interior minister, vowed to "track down the three criminals." He added that "all of our resources will be mobilized so that we can find out who committed this act and make sure they are punished for this act of barbarity." French authorities have said that all school trips and outdoor activities have been canceled while the gunmen are at large.
French President François Hollande headed to the scene shortly after Wednesday's shooting and said that the dead were "cowardly assassinated" and that four others were critically injured. He described the shooting as a "terrorist operation against a newspaper that has been threatened several times." He added that 40 people were being protected in the aftermath of the shooting.
Charlie Hebdo as drawn repeated threats for its caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, among other controversial features. The newspaper's offices were firebombed in 2011 after a spoof issue featuring a caricature of Muhammad on its cover.
A year later, the magazine published more Muhammad drawings amid an uproar over an anti-Muslim film. The cartoons depicted Muhammad naked and in demeaning or pornographic poses. The French government defended free speech even as it rebuked Charlie Hebdo for fanning tensions.
"We treat the news like journalists. Some use cameras. Some use computers. For us, it's a paper and pencil," the Muhammad cartoonist, who goes by the name Luz, told The Associated Press in 2012. "A pencil is not a weapon. It's just a means of expression."
Charbonnier, among the 10 journalists killed Wednesday, also defended the Muhammad cartoons.
He told Le Monde newspaper two years ago, "I'd rather die standing than live on my knees." One of his last cartoons, published in this week's issue, seemed an eerie premonition. "Still no attacks in France," an extremist fighter says. "Wait — we have until the end of January to present our New Year's wishes."
The attack, for which no one has yet claimed responsibility, comes amid what a number of commentators have identified as rising xenophobia in Europe, with thousands of protesters in several German cities rallying earlier this week against Muslim immigration. France's Muslim population of 5 million is Europe's largest.
"I am extremely angry. These are criminals, barbarians. They have sold their soul to hell. This is not freedom. This is not Islam, and I hope the French will come out united at the end of this," said Hassen Chalghoumi, imam of the Drancy mosque in Paris' Seine-St.-Denis northern suburb.
New York–based advocacy group the Committee to Protect Journalists condemned what its deputy director, Robert Mahoney, called "a brazen assault on free expression in the heart of Europe."
I fear this will only continue to stir the growing xenophobia in Europe against Muslims worldwide. People can keep saying this 'isn't their Islam' but the extremists are the ones dominating the court of public opinion and that can only spell disaster.
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