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Transgender teen commits suicide
 Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-12-31 17:40:24
It's not her parents fault. The child was extremely confused by being told it was not okay, and a phase while it was something they wanted in order to probably be more socially acceptable in the way that they probably saw girls being noticed/treated. There's a significant difference between telling someone that something is wrong/not OK/unacceptable, and telling them that it is OK that they feel that way. It is non-acceptance versus acceptance.
The confusion came from the internet in which a community of people decided to support a child who's mind was underdeveloped. They took her under their wings and said: It's okay, they're wrong, they don't get you, we do, they don't love you, we do, they can't accept you, we will.
The child took this to heart and took her life. That's a bit of an oversimplification. Regardless of if there are others in the world that are willing to accept you or not, most people highly value the acceptance and approval of their parents (almost regardless of whether or not they should). Not having that is painful on many levels.
By Jetackuu 2014-12-31 17:40:51
On what *** planet would it be more socially acceptable to "choose" to be transgender? You're ignorantly and wrongfully starting with the premise that these things are a choice. I can't believe this still needs to be explicitly stated in 20-***-14 -sexuality is not a choice. It's an innate characteristic.
This boy was looking for some sort of support and it came from individuals over the internet since her own family couldn't be halfway decent enough to accept their child as different. I love love love victim blaming. As if it's unconscionable that families show hostility towards their LGBT children. I mean, we have people here trumpeting the use of the word 'it' to describe other people like it's anything more than a derogatory term for the transgendered. Classy.
Yeah, mmhmm.
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By Fenrir.Ginny 2014-12-31 17:41:30
It's not her parents fault. The child was extremely confused by being told it was not okay, and a phase while it was something they wanted in order to probably be more socially acceptable in the way that they probably saw girls being noticed/treated.
Except being transgender is still not socially acceptable, no one "chooses" this route. You grossly misunderstand this situation in particular, and transgender issues as a whole. Not everything is "because tumblr".
To be fair, I can't say that I am particularly well versed in this area. However, it would be delinquent to not point out that (in this scenario) we are asking pre-pubescent children to be making a choice (in conjunction with experts) with far greater personal consequences then most choices other people make even when adults.
Which raises a seperate question about the age of majority.
Actually, it's more like giving minors the chance to make the choice when they are ready. Blockers delay puberty, stop taking them, and puberty resumes as normal. It is not like giving them hormones right off the bat. It's still a serious decision, but it buys them time instead of forcing them to go through the opposite puberty. Most doctors will not prescribe hormone replacement therapy until sixteen, anyway.
By fonewear 2014-12-31 17:45:00
if i could say one sentence to the world, it would be:
god is everything and allows things all to exist, what's your problem?
It all started in 1985...the year of the Ox.
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By Bloodrose 2014-12-31 17:46:53
if i could say one sentence to the world, it would be:
god is everything and allows things all to exist, what's your problem? The problem is that everyone has a different idea on what their version of God allows, and that anything created by man is some mystical voodoo ***or some kind of curse meant to plague mankind by changing the way people think, feel, or behave against the socially accepted norm.
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-31 17:47:23
Oh, yeah. You're a hardass real man, John Wayne and Clint Eastwood (before he went soft) and Grizzly Adams all up in one 
My .gif is not about manliness, it's about the best movie ever interlaced with a current meme!
By Ramyrez 2014-12-31 17:50:42
"choice of it"
Glad I'm not the only one who would rather say It than He or She. Oh look, you pissed them off.
Better hide.
Careful, Jet. Your West Virginia is showing.
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-31 17:53:33
if i could say one sentence to the world, it would be:
god is everything and allows things all to exist, what's your problem? 
By Jetackuu 2014-12-31 17:57:11
"choice of it"
Glad I'm not the only one who would rather say It than He or She. Oh look, you pissed them off.
Better hide.
Careful, Jet. Your Virginia is showing. ftfy
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-12-31 17:58:37
"choice of it"
Glad I'm not the only one who would rather say It than He or She. Oh look, you pissed them off.
Better hide.
Careful, Jet. Your Virginiaty is showing. ftfy
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Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-12-31 18:01:45
Let's clarify something:
If someone actively identifies as male or female, and you call them 'it', you (at least in the US, last I checked) are free to do so.
In the same vein, that doesn"t prevent other people from calling you a douche, ***, idiot, or troglodyte.
However, purposefully using demeaning language with regards to someone"s sexuality or sexual preference while in a workplace could very well be construed as improper behavior/sexual harrassment, above and beyond just being an ***.
It almost has gotten to the point that I can't even muster the enthusiasm to say 'Hey dickwad, get it right, they are as much of a person (and probably a better one) than you are'. It has just gotten easier to let the cretins self-identify themselves, and then just isolate/ostracize them.
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2014-12-31 18:32:24
Any of the Tumblr bashers actually visit/use Tumblr regularly?
There are plenty of people the *** in this thread would end up being best friends with on Tumblr.
Tumblr is basically 10% SJ, 10% anti-SJ, 30% Porn and 50% Random LOLPics/Fanart.
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By Ramyrez 2014-12-31 18:49:13
Any of the Tumblr bashers actually visit/use Tumblr regularly?
There are plenty of people the *** in this thread would end up being best friends with on Tumblr.
Tumblr is basically 10% SJ, 10% anti-SJ, 30% Porn and 50% Random LOLPics/Fanart.
30% porn seems low.
But that could just be my own *ahem* browsing preferences.
By Blazed1979 2015-01-01 11:16:09
Do animal fu__ers get to join the club?
Don't hate yo, Some people find monkey pooty enticing.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-01 11:21:43
Do animal fu__ers get to join the club?
Don't hate yo, Some people find monkey pooty enticing. What is it with people and bestiality?
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2015-01-01 11:26:39
What is it with people and bestiality? they can't help it, they were born that way
can you please show some human sympathy
By Jetackuu 2015-01-01 11:41:07
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »What is it with people and bestiality? they can't help it, they were born that way
can you please show some human sympathy 
By fonewear 2015-01-01 12:26:07
Do animal fu__ers get to join the club?
Don't hate yo, Some people find monkey pooty enticing. What is it with people and bestiality?
Some people are curious and lonely.
By fonewear 2015-01-01 12:29:58
Leviathan.Comeatmebro said: »What is it with people and bestiality? they can't help it, they were born that way
can you please show some human sympathy
I finally get Born this way by Lady Gaga now.
Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-01 12:33:50
Do animal fu__ers get to join the club?
Don't hate yo, Some people find monkey pooty enticing. What is it with people and bestiality?
Some people are curious and lonely. I should clarify:
What it is with people that see increasing acceptance of variations in gender-spectra and increased acceptance of inter-human relationships between consenting adults, and then instantly make the jump to equating those acceptances with accepting bestiality?
By fonewear 2015-01-01 12:35:50
I believe what Blazed was trying to do is show how varied sexuality is even animals need love.
Either that or he was making a joke.
By Altimaomega 2015-01-01 13:57:44
Do animal fu__ers get to join the club?
Don't hate yo, Some people find monkey pooty enticing. What is it with people and bestiality?
Some people are curious and lonely.
I thought it was, how do gay people say it.. "the way they was born" "not their choice" We are supposed to accept all sexuality or be called bigots or worse.. So really.. Whats the difference between being born gay or born preferring animals..
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Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-01 14:08:05
Do animal fu__ers get to join the club?
Don't hate yo, Some people find monkey pooty enticing. What is it with people and bestiality?
Some people are curious and lonely.
I thought it was, how do gay people say it.. "the way they was born" "not their choice" We are supposed to accept all sexuality or be called bigots or worse.. So really.. Whats the difference between being born gay or born preferring animals.. Consent of the participants involved?
Acknowledgement of legal personhood?
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-01-01 14:18:30
Do animal fu__ers get to join the club?
Don't hate yo, Some people find monkey pooty enticing. What is it with people and bestiality?
Some people are curious and lonely.
I thought it was, how do gay people say it.. "the way they was born" "not their choice" We are supposed to accept all sexuality or be called bigots or worse.. So really.. Whats the difference between being born gay or born preferring animals.. by that "altima logic" whats the difference between being straight and bestiality? I mean you were born heterosexual right?
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-01-01 14:39:23
Do animal fu__ers get to join the club?
Don't hate yo, Some people find monkey pooty enticing. What is it with people and bestiality?
Some people are curious and lonely.
I thought it was, how do gay people say it.. "the way they was born" "not their choice" We are supposed to accept all sexuality or be called bigots or worse.. So really.. Whats the difference between being born gay or born preferring animals.. by that "altima logic" whats the difference between being straight and bestiality? I mean you were born heterosexual right?
The problem with that logic is that you're taking what's considered normative to him and trying to relate it to something very much not. People can make associations between like things of varying magnitude, but they won't ever concede any link between their way and the "wrong way". That said, it's not flawed reasoning specifically, the flaw is only in who you are targeting with it.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-01-01 15:11:43
I thought it was, how do gay people say it.. "the way they was born" "not their choice" We are supposed to accept all sexuality or be called bigots or worse.. So really.. Whats the difference between being born gay or born preferring animals.. Can you just bust out your Westboro sign and be done with it already?
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