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and the limitations it imposes on them.
Such as?
Pure limitations on the basis of being female.
Not environmetal, cultural, or religious.
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Ramyrez said: » Blazed1979 said: » and the limitations it imposes on them. Such as? Pure limitations on the basis of being female. Not environmetal, cultural, or religious. What cultural or religious limitations are imposed on women in the US? It would seem if anything, they have more of everything. I'm talking physical biological limitations. http://www.universityherald.com/articles/8830/20140415/menstrual-pain-accuracy-intelligence-women-discomfort-nausea.htm Ragnarok.Nausi said: » ominous members of the patriarchy all huddled in one room. yeah we never "huddle"... we lounge comfortably in the style of english noblemen... and there is more than one room... Caitsith.Zahrah said: » Sneer all you want, but don't drone on about about accommodating a family when the odds are stacked against families in the US. We could get into cost of living and real estate costs of our parents' generation compared to ours, if we really want to get gritty about this. Seriously, have you ever asked your parents what the median price of residential real estate was in their twenties or thirties? Do you even have the slightest inkling of the cost of childcare now? Do you even understand that other developed nations offer Kindergarten at age three? In the US, early-childhood care is privatized and, in this state, Pre-K is only offered, publicly, on a low-income based contingency. For some women, if you're only going to be breaking even, why the *** not stay at home? They shouldn't be demonized for that choice if they're "taking one for the team" in the most fiscally responsible way they see fit. ((And, no, I'm not saying that women jumping ship after getting pregnant (not after birth), even when work conditions are quite kushy (yes, because that does happen), doesn't annoy me also. Catch-22 for some families though.)) Zah, I get that the metrics are much different now than they were in our parents day. I'm not against the open personal configuration of traditional gender roles between consenting adults either. If someone wants to stay home and raise their kids, they are free to make that choice, but all choices have consequences. Staying out of the workforce is a HUGE sacrifice to career minded people, not just in the present, but often over the course of ones working career. It's up to each couple to decide if they want to partake in that. While I stand with you and lament how big the sacrifice is to stay home and care for your kids, employers shouldn't be punished for reacting to those realities. We'll just drop this here:
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Bahamut.Milamber said: » his figure accounts for many observable differences between male and female managers Bahamut.Milamber said: » While women and men step off the corporate track at equal rates Bahamut.Milamber said: » a preponderance of evidence suggests that women are penalized in the workforce when they have children, despite no evidence that their productivity suffers. Despite a whopping 75 citations in the linked source(including such credible sources as Huffington Post), only 4 lead to actual statistics with outlined methodology. They weren't directly cited at these quotes. Secondary sources that did not themselves properly cite don't drive a point home, they only serve to make it more difficult to assert the origin of these statements. In fact, the opening paragraph of your quote shows it's intent quite clearly, by throwing out the unmitigated 77 cents figure. Let's look at a specific example: Quote: A recent Government Accountability Office (GAO) study requested by Chair Maloney and Representative John Dingell examined the pay gap amongst women and men employed in management occupations, and found that full - time female managers earn 81 cents for every dollar earned by their male manager peers. *29 This figure accounts for many observable differences between male and female managers, so the remaining 19 cent gap between men and women may be attributable to discriminatory practices. Quote: *29 Government Accountability Office (GAO). September, 2010. Women in Management: Analysis of Female Managers’ Representation, Characteristics, and Pay . Washington, D.C.: Government Accoun tability Office. ( http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d10892r.pdf ). So, I follow this link and am surprised to see at the top.. Quote: The Honorable Carolyn B. Maloney Chair Joint Economic Committee United States Congress Quote: Our analysis adjusted for a select number of variables that were available and are commonly used when examining pay differences. However, we acknowledge that there are many variables and methods of analysis, other than those we included, that could be used that would yield different numbers for an adjusted pay difference than our analysis yielded. Even if we were to let the disgusting lack of sources slide, repeatedly iterating that there are no observable differences while only examining basic statistics is pure folly. In a free market, a woman has the right to negotiate her salary. It could be postulated that women are less willing to negotiate than men, or less determined to stick to it. Is this not an observable difference? Was it accounted for? Without these studies clearly sourced, how is anyone to know? Caitsith.Zahrah said: » Quote: According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, only 11 percent of all private industry workers have access to paid family leave (16 percent of state and local government employees have access to some paid family leave; federal workers don’t get any, though all employees may be able to use accrued sick leave). Well-paid people who work in managerial or professional occupations at companies with 100 employees or more are the most likely to have the benefit, according to the Institute for Women’s Policy Research. Even the policies at some of the most generous American companies pale in comparison with the 31 countries that provide a year or more of paid maternity leave, typically through government-run insurance programs, experts say. Working Mother compiles a list of the “100 Best Companies” in the United States each year, and parental leave policies are one of several factors baked into those rankings. We could get into cost of living and real estate costs of our parents' generation compared to ours, if we really want to get gritty about this. Seriously, have you ever asked your parents what the median price of residential real estate was in their twenties or thirties? Do you even have the slightest inkling of the cost of childcare now? Do you even understand that other developed nations offer Kindergarten at age three? In the US, early-childhood care is privatized and, in this state, Pre-K is only offered, publicly, on a low-income based contingency. yea, federal workers don't get paid family leave.... but we get 30 days of paid leave a year. At least in the military, not sure how much my civilian counterparts receive. As for real estate, they had to deal with 18% interest rates on their homes in the 80s. Blazed1979 said: » What cultural or religious limitations are imposed on women in the US? It would seem if anything, they have more of everything. I'm talking physical biological limitations. http://www.universityherald.com/articles/8830/20140415/menstrual-pain-accuracy-intelligence-women-discomfort-nausea.htm A. This study was conducted in the UK, specifically Bath University B. I have no idea what "more of everything" you are talking about. This study looked at how pain (specifically cramps but were actually surprised to find fatigue listed as a main issue) affects attention, memory, accuracy, and reaction during two phases of the menstrual cycle for one university female population of 52 test subjects. This was measured for one cycle and the women were not allowed to be on birth control (which has been shown to decrease pain) for at least 6 months or take any pain relief drugs. This had nothing to do with intelligence measures. The two main tests conducted had opposite results: flanker test: decrease in speed, but the same accuracy level Switching task: speed of preformance not affected, accuracy level decrease. The conclusion is that pain interfers with attention. Men experience pain and fatigue. Pain is also incredibly subjective and is very difficult to measure. full paper Quote: Even if we were to let the disgusting lack of sources slide, repeatedly iterating that there are no observable differences while only examining basic statistics is pure folly. In a free market, a woman has the right to negotiate her salary. It could be postulated that women are less willing to negotiate than men, or less determined to stick to it. Is this not an observable difference? Was it accounted for? Without these studies clearly sourced, how is anyone to know? Combination of risk aversion and different behavioral instincts. It's been empirically proven that men take more risks in every field it's been studied in. You get ahead by taking calculated risks, sometimes those risks pay off and you get a promotion, a big raise, noticed by your peers or land a much better paying job. Sometimes those risks don't pan out and you take a pay cut, stunt your advancement, fail miserably in public or get into a new job just for it to collapse. The men who were successful are treated as though they were walking down the street, slipped and fell into their success, when in fact their success was the result of years of carefully calculated risks and preparation. The men who fail to achieve success are forgotten about and ignored. When we solely focus on the winners while ignoring the losers, we get the false impression that all men are somehow winners. A person who takes minimal risks will rarely fail in life, but they will also rarely succeed, instead they will be the very definition of mediocre. Anyhow the figure itself is falsely derived. It is simply adding all the employed women in the USA, adding all the employed men in the USA, then dividing by the amount they earn. It's a method designed to create an outcome to support a political point. Ramyrez said: » /stares dubiously for several moments pffft why would we let a woman into a men's club? we have fez wearing child servants Shiva.Nikolce said: » Ramyrez said: » /stares dubiously for several moments pffft why would we let a woman into a men's club? we have fez wearing child servants Uh, well. The upper echelons have always eschewed traditional gender roles in one way or another to suit their own preferences, who am I to question your proclivities? Well it's obviously your first week being an evil rich old white man...
I'll have Haji show you around... /rings a tiny bell Lakshmi.Saevel said: » Quote: Even if we were to let the disgusting lack of sources slide, repeatedly iterating that there are no observable differences while only examining basic statistics is pure folly. In a free market, a woman has the right to negotiate her salary. It could be postulated that women are less willing to negotiate than men, or less determined to stick to it. Is this not an observable difference? Was it accounted for? Without these studies clearly sourced, how is anyone to know? Combination of risk aversion and different behavioral instincts. It's been empirically proven that men take more risks in every field it's been studied in. You get ahead by taking calculated risks, sometimes those risks pay off and you get a promotion, a big raise, noticed by your peers or land a much better paying job. Sometimes those risks don't pan out and you take a pay cut, stunt your advancement, fail miserably in public or get into a new job just for it to collapse. The men who were successful are treated as though they were walking down the street, slipped and fell into their success, when in fact their success was the result of years of carefully calculated risks and preparation. The men who fail to achieve success are forgotten about and ignored. When we solely focus on the winners while ignoring the losers, we get the false impression that all men are somehow winners. A person who takes minimal risks will rarely fail in life, but they will also rarely succeed, instead they will be the very definition of mediocre. Anyhow the figure itself is falsely derived. It is simply adding all the employed women in the USA, adding all the employed men in the USA, then dividing by the amount they earn. It's a method designed to create an outcome to support a political point. Never underestimate the capacity of people to identify as victims when a political party defines it as a protected class and promises to give you stuff for it. #waronwomen #blacklivesmatter #amnesty Caitsith.Shiroi said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Never underestimate the capacity of people to identify as victims when a political party defines it as a protected class and promises to give you stuff for it. #blacklivesmatter #amnesty #waronreligion #corporatepower #taxcuts I agree! ^ Works both ways. Fun part is, they all have at least some degree of validity, too. None of them as much as people cling to, but none of them are necessarily 100% dismissable, either. Good luck getting many people to acknowledge that, though. Or, rather, getting many people to acknowledge it and be willing to address the issues. Shiva.Nikolce said: » Well it's obviously your first week being an evil rich old white man... I'll have Haji show you around... /rings a tiny bell Well it's not my first week meeting all those criteria, but I only just now got my club membership. I had to pass my "proof of evil action (or certifiably evil inaction)" background check. You'll be pleased to know I've been vetted under both criteria! That 30% off not-quite-legal Malaysian escorts is to die for.
Lakshmi.Saevel said: » Combination of risk aversion and different behavioral instincts. It's been empirically proven that men take more risks in every field it's been studied in. Lakshmi.Saevel said: » The men who fail to achieve success are forgotten about and ignored. When we solely focus on the winners while ignoring the losers, we get the false impression that all men are somehow winners. Lakshmi.Saevel said: » Anyhow the figure itself is falsely derived. It is simply adding all the employed women in the USA, adding all the employed men in the USA, then dividing by the amount they earn. It's a method designed to create an outcome to support a political point. They even state data that can lead to different results, but was not available for study: We acknowledge there are many variables and methods of analysis that could be used that would yield different numbers for the adjusted differences in pay. Some variables we would have included but were not available included managerial responsibility, field of study, and years of experience. I'm not even sure what doing that would tell you, as you would end up with "employed population / total income". Ramyrez said: » Shiva.Nikolce said: » Well it's obviously your first week being an evil rich old white man... I'll have Haji show you around... /rings a tiny bell Well it's not my first week meeting all those criteria, but I only just now got my club membership. I had to pass my "proof of evil action (or certifiably evil inaction)" background check. You'll be pleased to know I've been vetted under both criteria! Bahamut.Odaru
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Ragnarok.Corres said: » Wage Gap Myth Exposed -- By Feminists Thomas Sowell Dismantles Feminism and Racialism in under 5 Minutes YouTube Video Placeholder Take your misogynist garbage outta here! Haven't you ever heard of something called the war on women? Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Haven't you ever heard of something called the war on women? To be fair, it was never really about women. Or blacks. Not directly. Just about rich white guys with faux-Christian beliefs being able to tell everyone else what to do while in turn doing whatever they want. It's really America's founding principle though, so I guess if we don't like it, we should leave? Edit: Only semi-sarcastic here. That's really pretty much the summary of our country right now. And I don't even know where to place myself within context of the argument, because personally I have a pretty comfortable life. I'm more sympathetic
Ramyrez said: » Ragnarok.Nausi said: » Haven't you ever heard of something called the war on women? To be fair, it was never really about women. Or blacks. Not directly. Just about rich white guys with faux-Christian beliefs being able to tell everyone else what to do while in turn doing whatever they want. It's really America's founding principle though, so I guess if we don't like it, we should leave? Edit: Only semi-sarcastic here. That's really pretty much the summary of our country right now. And I don't even know where to place myself within context of the argument, because personally I have a pretty comfortable life. America's founding principle is that rich white men with faux christian beliefs get to live how they want and tell everyone else what to do? I can see you had a great American history teacher . |
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