[dev1243] New Job Enhancements: Gifts

Using your same logic: god forbid people who don't?

My bad, 55, you're right. I had just woke up when I busted out my calculator. Still, the same ideal applies. One category maxed is more than enough to get you SU1.

And how much CP do you lose for standing in town 2 hours shouting for just a BRD or a GEO or a RDM, when you could be killing ***with the 5? lol

To add to my previous post, what about when it becomes 200? 300? How far down the rabbit hole do we go until the senseless grind is realised as a perpetual waste of time and way to milk more sub money? What about starting a job from scratch when you need 300 jp for su5?

That's pretty much everything in the game at this point. Why pick out Capacity Points? 90% of the content in this game atm is just rehashed ***just to keep people busy.

Better yet, what if the job I sank all these points in is no longer flavour of the month, and I cant even do events, because somehow Sup1 is the new "RME only".

It's a tough choice... But when you go to WoH gates and your pt members can't even hit stuff and your CP/rate goes so much down then you start wishing you just didn't bother shouting for people for 1+ hour and went solo somewhere else instead.

Which is exactely why you hardly see CP pt shouts, even during 2x campaign, and why when you're the one shouting it takes you hours to fill a part, EVEN without GEOs/BRDs.
That's in the remote hypothesys you even manage to fill a full party.


People are scared, annoyed, bored, pulled away by what they judge an unefficient, unfriendly, unaccessible, punishing scenario.
They might as well ignore JPs or solo if they really want them.
Which brings us back to the point I was making, the system feels punishing, unfriendly and frustrating and that's exactely why the large majority of players didn't give a *** about JPs until now.
It's not ONLY a matter of CP/hr being bad, and it's exactely why increasing the rate would be good but not enough to finally bring the system where it should be (imho)

If they need a BRD to hit ***, maybe they just need a lower quality camp for that member. The evasion levels of those VT's(barring the new hippogryphs, *shudder*), are not that bad. With reliable 119 gear and Sushi you can hit the accuracy cap solo.

If you can't than you need a lower tier camp, lol.

Havent read all of this thread but just to clarify.

55JP is having one category 10/10. So if you have just one Category on any Job 10/10 you are able to equip Superior 1. If you have 2 Categories on a Job 10/10 you will be at 110 CP spent giving access to all the additions to that job.

"We want Job Points to be an optional further enhancement to jobs you enjoy playing."
*makes Job Points required more and more for BLU as new spells are released*
*makes Job Points required to wear certain "superior" gear*

Yup.
Totes an optional thing.
9_9

Thanks for the not so useless tautology.
Which brings us back to the point that if you have to degrate your CP/hr that much by going to a lower camp, you might as well solo and avoid the CP/HR cut you get by getting the full CP/kill rate insteas of cutting it by having more than 1 member into your party.
I.e. ==> solo.


Are we talking about the same Rabbits and Worms in Woh Gates or are you just talking in general without personal experience or theorycraft calculations?


Also you seem to forget that aside from the newly added subzones, there hardly are good "camps" in SoA zones.
Past zones in the game were clearly made thinking about giving players good spots to XP/Merit on.
This obviously didn't happen in SoA because there was no need for it.
They added JPs without thinking about this, with the result that there aren't a large amount of interesting camps, and the few there are get pretty crowded, mostly by soloers/botters staying there 24/7.



Please do not fall under the mistake that I'm a sorry fool who's envyous of people with JPs and can't be bothered to farm JPs himself.
1) I've been trying to create PTs through shouts and other means several times, especially during 2x CPs campaign.
2) I've farmed over 120 JPs on BRD, 150 on NIN, >200 on DNC, >200 on RUN, ~40 on SCH.
I might not be a hardcore with everything capped but trust me, I had my share of CP/JP farming.
My complaints do not come from someone who's lazy and can't be bothered to farm JPs.

I just don't get what speccing our character has to do with what gear we can or can't equip. How did they even come up with that connection?

It sure wasn't that way with merit points. Whether I was fully merited or not I could wear the same gear as everyone else. I never heard anyone complain about that being a problem. Now for some reason we need special snowflake gear for CP farmers? Why? What was wrong with the paradigm we had? It wasn't broke.

Because they need to introduce a timesink since they can't keep up with new content/gear. Between this and 124 gear, I'd take 124 and have all of my gear outdated, quite frankly.

What, you ask? Nothing.
But it's pretty clear at this point that the JP system isn't a "way to spec our characters" anymore.


They are using the already existing JP system trying to give it a different purpose.
My idea on what they have on their mind?

They're trying to create something comparable to a level cap increase.
Since they can't go beyond level 99 and since the ilevel system didn't require you to spend time/grind levelling your character (the level/xp system did. To equip level 98 gear you needed to reach level 98) they're trying to reproduce something similar in an alternative way. "Why not raise the ilevel cap?" you could ask. They might, they just don't want to do it now and they're trying to buy time with some different attempt.
CP instead of XP so that people can't exploit Abyssea or the huge amounts of XP dropping everywhere.
SU1 will be like a level increase, and to equip SU1 gear you'll need to "level up" your character to level SU1, just like you needed level 75 to equip those Byakko's Haidate.


This has NOTHING to do with the original goal of the JP system, they're clearly trying to repurpose it.
As I've already had the chance to say I find the idea cool if you want, it could be a nice and positive change for the game.

All of this in theory, because when you come to reality you get *** up by how bad thought the whole CP/JP system is, and what could have been a cool idea in theory, becomes a really bad one in reality.

Basically why I mentioned that most of the time it's just easier/more efficient to solo them or go with a friend.

So now it will take 1,650,000 CP and obtaining some piece of gear somehow to increase one's level by 1 and only on one job. Did they let Tanaka back in or something?

With the current rates yes, that's how much it will take, at least.

Of course we could try to see the glass half full and hope for SE to be aware of all of this and release some serious change/update to the whole system at the same time they're going to release JP Gifts.
/rolleyes

If Tanaka was back, SAM would get SU1 after 1 JP

Judging by the current SAM's situation I'm not so sure that many other devs think differently from Tanaka-sensei :'D

I would be far less annoyed by this if it didn't take thirty thousand freaking CP for one JP.

Seriously, that number is just HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.

Well the 7th Naakual has not been introduced yet maybe SE is giving the players a chance to improve there character stats before we take on additional content that might be to hard to beat with the current gear and stats. Seems like a pattern with SE. For example when they raised the level cap to 99 or released the SoA expansion or had ilvl gear there was harder content introduced with it. Just a thought

Honestly, it wouldn't be so bad if Job Points had a way to be accumulated across the board (which would be the real good caused by the stupid abyssean exp).

Making WKRs give out a full Job Point (I used to say 1/3 or 1/2 as well... But now that they're required... Nope. Full or bust.) would make it so that people who don't cheat and don't have the tolerance for mindlessly grinding trash... Can wear gear too.

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I *** hate spark gear. Like... With the white hot intensity of 10,000,000,000 suns.
I hate that it has a 117 on it, because it's super ***. (Armor. The weapons are "meh" decent enough for those without 119s.)
And it feeds a stupid which I just detest wholeheartedly: that iLv>Stats.
I can't tell you how many times some dipshit has thought that "full 117" (or even full 119) makes you good at a job.
I've watched a "full 119" RUN die to Camlain in <3m. Camlain. Who has 2/3 of his autoattacks be magic damage.
I've watched "Ochain PLDs" drop like a fly in NORMAL SKCNMs.
All because people think that just because gear has 117(119) on it, it's better for your job.
I hate the spark gear, not only because it's insulting to call THAT 117, but also because it breeds stupid.

That being said, I don't want the stupid fools who think full 117(119) is a good idea to be locked out of something as basic as getting gear.
Which, ironically, they need more than people who realize that things like Otomi Helm with the right augments are "best in slot" for a myriad of things and setups... Even though they're only 115. (35STR is 35STR after all.)

And even if we say: *** the noobs!
What about the person who starts tomorrow?
So many of these *** selfish things I see people spout don't consider any new person.
Which is the lifeblood of an MMO. Not grinding. It's getting new and maintains those subscriptions.

Making a dead-end event like WKRs be a "Job Point" event... Only benefits everyone:
•Benefits new and returning players (REGARDLESS OF JOB) access to WKR gear and weapons by making its lifespan infinite. (Eg: makes WKRs sustainable without having to introduce some random new gear or event every so often.)
•Benefits old and experienced players by feeding them Job Points at a large rate. (Without grinding too, so people that like to grind can go do that, and people that can't turn off their brains or don't like it or don't cheat can do WKRs.)
•Increases supply of HP Bayld. So RUN and GEOs benefit doubly from it. (JP+HPB)

WKRs already have a build-in anti-leeching mechanism... So that argument is invalid. (You have to get a KI every time.)
It benefits us all.

That would be great, I never do WKR these days, I'd definitely be up for it if a large amount of CP were on offer, also would be able to augment gear and there would be an influx of HPB in circulation.

The salty tears you could bottle this stuff.

Honestly its not hard to get JP in Woh Gates.

WHM COR BRD DD DD DD run around in a circle killing bunnies and worms. Is it boring kinda is it hard no.

Do missions.

and for once i WAS thinking about coming back to FFXI but it seems like every day i fallow the updates they making it harder for people who do quit and come back and so on and so forth get over ran by people who make it harder for the veteran players who know the game TRY to do events cant get new gear

Party Leader: what's your iLevel gear at??

you: oh i have a few ilevel 117 and one ilevel 119 peace and i have a ilevel 117 weapon

Party Leader: oh you cant come your not ilevel 119 and you don't have no ilevel gear or good weapons.

you: really how am i suppose to get new gear if people like you don't let me join to try and GET new gear

Party Leader: well do you have a WHM or COR or BRD??

You: I have Bard

Party leader: Sweet you have you have empy harp or anything like that?

You: no why does it matter

Party Leader: sucks to be you now run along we have filled your spot with this shitty player who is ilevel 119 and has a empy harp and don't know how to play the job...goodbye


people like this is why i don't come back to the game such crap this game just needs to die and it is dieing slowlycause soon their will no people in the servers like when they did a merge

Lol, the 'hardcores' never did that.

*Blink Blink*

Have you actually fought monsters in Doh or Woh gates before? They have some HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE evasion numbers, so much that it makes delve MB's look like p*sseys. Woh is something like 1050~ 1100 evasion while Doh is somewhere around 900~950. 2 evasion = -1% hit rate so if a player is 50 accuracy off then they just took a 25% hit rate loss. With number this big it quickly becomes a game of throwing as many accuracy buffs as possible onto the most accuracy DD's you can find. For folks with access to high end resources, BRD and COR mules, a healer who doesn't mind being 10/10 in every category already (or someone's mule), extremely well geared full 119 melee's, this isn't hard to get. For casuals players who are wearing 117 spark gear who haven't even got all their delve MB clears, getting CP's in a party is simply impossible, unless they only have support jobs.

Remember CP's don't carry over to other jobs, so a player can't "just go BRD / COR / WHM" and get CP's for their SAM / BST / NIN / PUP / BLU / WAR / MNK / PLD. They have to actually play on those jobs and kill those HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE normal monsters which for most groups would be a waste of a party space. They would never get invited nor would any BRD / COR / GEO / WHM join their group, since those support jobs can easily find a much better gear to go with. It's the 75 era merit scenario all over again. So that leaves the only realistic option for casual players being trust soloing VE / EP mobs for 80~120 CP per kill. Which as anyone who's done this knows, takes FOREVER to make any progress. So most don't even bother.

Remember this is supposed to be casual level content, not difficult mega boss's that require carefully orchestrated strategies and an experienced support crew. This sh!t is supposed to be nearly brain dead easy for most folks to participate in.

He means for us to fight as a WKR or in Delve.