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Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-11-06 09:35:43
You are clearly delusional and short-minded. You also are a hypocrite.
having read jassik's posts for two years or so, I'm going to have to say 'no'. he is none of those three things. I'd take a look at what you are projecting onto him.
It goes both ways. There isn't a single P&R regular that I haven't seen say something ridiculous and hypocritical, but obviously I see it more in people I disagree with on a regular basis.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-11-06 09:36:35
You are clearly delusional and short-minded. You also are a hypocrite.
Whenever you open your eyes and realize who you are and how you portray yourself to others, I'll be ready to accept your apology.
Please, apply this to yourself. Just do it. Please. What, apologize to myself?
Ok, sure.
I'm sorry me, for being so awesome and great. I'll try to keep being awesome and great for a while.
Apology accepted me. Thank you.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-11-06 09:39:19
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Lakshmi.Zerowone
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-11-06 09:46:20
i'm sure there's some white knights who swing that way
touche'
Those that do consider themselves Fabulous.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-11-06 10:09:23
You are clearly delusional and short-minded. You also are a hypocrite.
Whenever you open your eyes and realize who you are and how you portray yourself to others, I'll be ready to accept your apology.
Please, apply this to yourself. Just do it. Please. What, apologize to myself?
Ok, sure.
I'm sorry me, for being so awesome and great. I'll try to keep being awesome and great for a while.
Apology accepted me. Thank you.
A+ for accuracy. You want me to apply an action associated with me in your quoted post. The only action is: accepting an apology.
So, I did exactly what you told me, and yet....
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-11-06 10:37:13
SO DOES YOUR MOM!!!
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Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-11-06 10:47:50
You have offended me, dear sir. I suppose we should settle this like gentlemen.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-11-06 10:51:39
You have offended me, dear sir. I suppose we should settle this like gentlemen.
Pick your weapons:
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Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-11-06 11:11:26
Funny you should post that, because I got an ad from Pollshare that said "Punch Bieber?" along with it. If I start seeing more Justin Bieber adds, I know who to blame!
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-11-06 12:21:09
Obama. You voted for Obama. He's made them much worse.
I didn't vote for him either time, nice try, though.
You've stuck up for him at almost every opportunity. Quite simply, if you voted for McCain you don't get the whole concept of supporting a candidate by voting for him.
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Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-11-06 12:37:46
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-11-06 12:49:00
Didn't McCain tell people who voted for him to support Obama after his loss?
Both of them?
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-11-06 12:49:42
So clearly he is justified in doing what ever he wants cause 2/3rds didn't care enough to come out and stop him?
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-11-06 12:53:01
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-11-06 12:59:05
I hear ya...
Which everyone knows is something you say when you are pretending you have heard and understood something someone has said and you are implying you have empathy for what they have said, but you really couldn't be forced to give a ***at gun point and couldn't care less without some sort of device or machine that somehow lowers caring below humanly possible levels of uncaring....
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-11-06 13:01:18
Nothing racist in that article nausi, I would say try again but I think we would all rather you didn't.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-11-06 13:15:44
So as this little debate simmers back and forth (this section seems as dead as the rest of the site -- I wonder what happened), I have a thought that I'd love to see answered. I am dubious it will be answered, mind you.
I wrote way too many words, so spoiler tag to make it easier to disregard.
I'm one of those filthy liberals who has been dissatisfied with our President for half a decade. But as I've stepped back and looked at why, I realize I'm engaging in fallacy. While it is certainly true that Obama has not be a particularly competent legislator (though the PotUS isn't technically a legislator, anyhow), his very existence has been the crux of Republican political campaigning. It's not that he's done anything especially bad (except ACA which is such a glorious clusterfuck that I'm 100% certain the Republicans actually hoped it would pass -- more on that shortly), but nor has he been able to accomplish much good.
That's also being somewhat unfair. A President can't magic a solution to the jobs problem that the Republican party systematically created over the past 20 years, regardless of whether that President is D or R, yet somehow people blame Obama for poor job recovery. And a lot of the little victories he has had have been brushed under the rug since it doesn't make for interesting headlines to see DOMA slowly dismantled.
But the big thing is that Republicans said, "We're going to obstinately stop anything from happening until we get this guy out of office." It's been a 6 year filibuster. Even when the Democrats had control of Congress, Obama's naive attempts to play nice resulted in very little happening as he pandered to people who were instructed by very savvy political scientists to be mules (in virtually every sense of the word). It's not a new tactic, but this Presidency seems to have experienced the worst instance of it.
But most people appear to be blind to it, myself included. It's easier with a single blame figure and the monolith that is the US President works so much better than pointing at some unknown spin doctor in RNC HQ. I talk to people who lean conservative and what I've noticed is that, in addition to having delusions that their party actually serves their needs (a delusion they share with their liberal neighbors), they think that all the world's ills can be laid at the feet of Democrats. This is verifiably and objectively false, but with the current spin control ensuring that nothing happens (Mitch McConnell even agrees this is what's been happening) while a Democrat is in the White House, it's not too hard to twist people's perceptions. Republican strategy has been to focus on things that are irrelevant, unsolvable, or diametrically opposed to the opposition in order to, what, relive the glory days when we saw habeas corpus illegally suspended and the financial industry was free to *** over the entire planet in a way that makes Bernie Madoff seem small potatoes?
Anyways, I'm being needlessly verbose as usual. My question is why anyone trusts the Republican party when they've unapologetically been doing nothing useful for anyone over the past 6 years? This has gone above and beyond the usual "To hell with the voters" attitude of modern politicians of all parties. How many financial crises have been deliberately orchestrated by the RNC? And yet people still want to blame the economy on our top military commander and chief representative to foreign powers?
I'd love to jump on the liberal bandwagon with everyone screaming that the world's going to burn. And it probably will, given how unrepentantly evil the RNC has become (note: evil is when you treat people as things, and in this case, as things to be fleeced and tossed aside). Is there anyone seriously willing to argue that every person shouldn't have unrestricted access to healthcare?
Actually, on this site, I guarantee there is, since the kooks here are happy to suggest that we murder the poor so long as they aren't forced to use those precise words. You know where some of the biggest welfare cheats are? Living in poverty in red counties across the nation, voting Republican while they cook meth and cheat on their taxes. Just sayin', if you wanna watch the welfare cheats die, you alleged red-state country boys are going lose family, friends, and neighbors.
But, yeah, ACA was such a colossal failure and I've had people continuously claim that Republicans had no part in it. You know, except for demanding all the worst parts be included and having written most of the basic structure themselves 20 years ago. It's the perfect false flag: appear to oppose something that you've helped design to explode on impact and reap the benefits of brainless public backlash.
I really don't see this playing out as well as the Republicans hope it will, though. They need to manufacture another catastrophic attack on US soil to get the kind of unlimited power they're dreaming about and I'm not the sort of person to suggest they'll try that. Not yet, anyways. Political discourse is getting bad enough that I won't be surprised if we have political terrorism in our own country about 20 years from now.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-11-06 13:17:20
That's not racism, that's progressive advancement.
It's only racist if a Republican says it (I would say white person, but we all know they get a free pass if they are liberal/democrat)
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-11-06 13:32:33
So as this little debate simmers back and forth (this section seems as dead as the rest of the site -- I wonder what happened), I have a thought that I'd love to see answered. I am dubious it will be answered, mind you.
I wrote way too many words, so spoiler tag to make it easier to disregard.
I'm one of those filthy liberals who has been dissatisfied with our President for half a decade. But as I've stepped back and looked at why, I realize I'm engaging in fallacy. While it is certainly true that Obama has not be a particularly competent legislator (though the PotUS isn't technically a legislator, anyhow), his very existence has been the crux of Republican political campaigning. It's not that he's done anything especially bad (except ACA which is such a glorious clusterfuck that I'm 100% certain the Republicans actually hoped it would pass -- more on that shortly), but nor has he been able to accomplish much good.
That's also being somewhat unfair. A President can't magic a solution to the jobs problem that the Republican party systematically created over the past 20 years, regardless of whether that President is D or R, yet somehow people blame Obama for poor job recovery. And a lot of the little victories he has had have been brushed under the rug since it doesn't make for interesting headlines to see DOMA slowly dismantled.
But the big thing is that Republicans said, "We're going to obstinately stop anything from happening until we get this guy out of office." It's been a 6 year filibuster. Even when the Democrats had control of Congress, Obama's naive attempts to play nice resulted in very little happening as he pandered to people who were instructed by very savvy political scientists to be mules (in virtually every sense of the word). It's not a new tactic, but this Presidency seems to have experienced the worst instance of it.
But most people appear to be blind to it, myself included. It's easier with a single blame figure and the monolith that is the US President works so much better than pointing at some unknown spin doctor in RNC HQ. I talk to people who lean conservative and what I've noticed is that, in addition to having delusions that their party actually serves their needs (a delusion they share with their liberal neighbors), they think that all the world's ills can be laid at the feet of Democrats. This is verifiably and objectively false, but with the current spin control ensuring that nothing happens (Mitch McConnell even agrees this is what's been happening) while a Democrat is in the White House, it's not too hard to twist people's perceptions. Republican strategy has been to focus on things that are irrelevant, unsolvable, or diametrically opposed to the opposition in order to, what, relive the glory days when we saw habeas corpus illegally suspended and the financial industry was free to *** over the entire planet in a way that makes Bernie Madoff seem small potatoes?
Anyways, I'm being needlessly verbose as usual. My question is why anyone trusts the Republican party when they've unapologetically been doing nothing useful for anyone over the past 6 years? This has gone above and beyond the usual "To hell with the voters" attitude of modern politicians of all parties. How many financial crises have been deliberately orchestrated by the RNC? And yet people still want to blame the economy on our top military commander and chief representative to foreign powers?
I'd love to jump on the liberal bandwagon with everyone screaming that the world's going to burn. And it probably will, given how unrepentantly evil the RNC has become (note: evil is when you treat people as things, and in this case, as things to be fleeced and tossed aside). Is there anyone seriously willing to argue that every person shouldn't have unrestricted access to healthcare?
Actually, on this site, I guarantee there is, since the kooks here are happy to suggest that we murder the poor so long as they aren't forced to use those precise words. You know where some of the biggest welfare cheats are? Living in poverty in red counties across the nation, voting Republican while they cook meth and cheat on their taxes. Just sayin', if you wanna watch the welfare cheats die, you alleged red-state country boys are going lose family, friends, and neighbors.
But, yeah, ACA was such a colossal failure and I've had people continuously claim that Republicans had no part in it. You know, except for demanding all the worst parts be included and having written most of the basic structure themselves 20 years ago. It's the perfect false flag: appear to oppose something that you've helped design to explode on impact and reap the benefits of brainless public backlash.
I really don't see this playing out as well as the Republicans hope it will, though. They need to manufacture another catastrophic attack on US soil to get the kind of unlimited power they're dreaming about and I'm not the sort of person to suggest they'll try that. Not yet, anyways. Political discourse is getting bad enough that I won't be surprised if we have political terrorism in our own country about 20 years from now.
because we like it when nothing happens and government doesn't get any bigger.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-11-06 13:36:40
because we like it when nothing happens and government doesn't get any bigger. Government getting bigger if there's an actual need for it, but bloated, no thanks!
Our government isn't getting bigger, it's getting bloated.
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-11-06 13:46:00
So it's all Reagan's fault? And the whole reason Obama can't fix it is because of those w-rascally republicans?
Republicans stood uniformly opposed to the passage of the ACA, Your memory is faulty if you forget that vote. It was 100% the democrats that insisted to pass it via reconciliation without the 60 votes needed to move it forward in the senate. Their influence may have been considered in the drafting of the legislation, but in the end none of them supported making the bill a law.
No conservative wants to murder the poor, we just think we should have the choice as to if and how we should support them. As a liberal you constantly construe the yearning for freedom and choice to "If you don't agree with me, you want to murder the poor".
The poor live in the country with the best healthcare around (not for much longer tho), they do have access to it. They just need to pay for it. Just like you and I need to pay for pizza when we order it. If we want to treat ourselves and get extra cheese we pay for the extra cheese. If we want it but can't afford it, guess what? We settle for regular cheese. In the end we still get pizza.
The fact that I cannot afford to buy a Ferrari as a daily driver doesn't mean that I don't have access to it. If I really wanted to drive one I could go out and rent it for a day for much less than the cost of buying one. Everyone has access to do this, everyone.
Services have value to them. To argue that someone inherently deserves to have a service simply because they are alive, is to suggest that someone else should be responsible for paying for it. Things just don't work like that. I do not owe you a pizza simply because you are hungry. Do I owe you a house because you're alive too?
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VIP
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-11-06 13:48:09
So clearly he is justified in doing what ever he wants cause 2/3rds didn't care enough to come out and stop him?
More like he's acknowledging that 2/3 of the country feel the process is futile and their voice isn't heard. So why bother taking time out of their day to participate in a partisan pissing match that basically results in the same gridlock, broken promises, and discontent?
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-11-06 13:50:23
I was looking at census.gov for the total number of government employees, federal. state. county and local...
22,040,106 with another 8 million on pension = 30,000,000
census
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-11-06 13:52:16
So clearly he is justified in doing what ever he wants cause 2/3rds didn't care enough to come out and stop him?
More like he's acknowledging that 2/3 of the country feel the process is futile and their voice isn't heard. So why bother taking time out of their day to participate in a partisan pissing match that basically results in the same gridlock, broken promises, and discontent?
And how do you know that the 2/3rds that didn't vote didn't do so because of that? Did you ask them, or are you really so arrogant to assume they couldn't possibly have any other reason for not voting.
Maybe they were so disgusted with you they couldn't bring themselves to support you.
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Siren.Mosin
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-11-06 13:53:50
So why bother taking time out of their day to participate in a partisan pissing match that basically results in the same gridlock, broken promises, and discontent?
cause' P. Diddy said 'vote or die', fool.
I'm betting either the Republicans gain massive seats in the senate or are one seat short of the majority.
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