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French Intelligence Officer Defects to Al Qaida
By Voren 2014-10-07 02:12:22
Don't know why Americans are trying to argue their civilization isn't primitive. Its no more an insult than calling a 10 year old a child.
Because being called primitive and being called young are two different things.
As defined by Merriam-Webster:
1prim·i·tive adjective \ˈpri-mə-tiv\
: of, belonging to, or seeming to come from an early time in the very ancient past
: not having a written language, advanced technology, etc.
: very simple and basic : made or done in a way that is not modern and that does not show much skill
Versus
1young adjective \ˈyəŋ\
: in an early stage of life, growth, or development : not yet old
People who like to degrade Americans will call us and our country primitive because those people are ignorant. Calling America and by default its citizens primitive is to also call yourself a primitive considering a majority of our citizens can trace lineage back to Europe, Africa, and Asia.
By maldini 2014-10-07 02:32:13
I will try and communicate with you in terms you can comprehend child.
"YO MAN, Edemecate yoself foo! dis ***be real. Some doods in do nothin but study historiez and shitz, and then they think about things in future. They even invited to the pentagon and shits to help plan for da future."
"The Next 100 Years is a 2009 non-fiction book by George Friedman. In the book, Friedman attempts to predict the major geopolitical events and trends of the 21st century. Friedman also speculates in the book on changes in technology and culture that may take place during this period."
"The End of History and the Last Man is a 1992 book by Francis Fukuyama, expanding on his 1989 essay "The End of History?", published in the international affairs journal The National Interest. In the book, Fukuyama argues that the advent of Western liberal democracy may signal the endpoint of humanity's sociocultural evolution and the final form of human government."
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-10-07 02:48:01
I will try and communicate with you in terms that don't mean what I think they mean.
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By maldini 2014-10-07 02:49:00
Don't know why Americans are trying to argue their civilization isn't primitive. Its no more an insult than calling a 10 year old a child.
Because being called primitive and being called young are two different things.
As defined by Merriam-Webster:
1prim·i·tive adjective \ˈpri-mə-tiv\
: of, belonging to, or seeming to come from an early time in the very ancient past
: not having a written language, advanced technology, etc.
: very simple and basic : made or done in a way that is not modern and that does not show much skill
Versus
1young adjective \ˈyəŋ\
: in an early stage of life, growth, or development : not yet old
People who like to degrade Americans will call us and our country primitive because those people are ignorant. Calling America and by default its citizens primitive is to also call yourself a primitive considering a majority of our citizens can trace lineage back to Europe, Africa, and Asia.
Would you describe American politics as advanced?
Would you describe a country with one of the world's highest crime rates and violent crime rates as advanced?
Would you describe a country with one of the world's highest income disparities as advanced?
would you describe a country that projects its influence through military warfare as advanced?
Would you describe a country with cities like Detroit as advanced?
Would you describe a country with the American Public health policies like the US as advanced? (they're getting there thanks to Obama and the Dems)
Would you describe a country with such poor relationships with its neighbors as advanced?
Would you describe a country that has such controversy over gun control (a no brainer for the rest of the world) as advanced?
The only other countries that share America's infatuation with Guns are African warlords lol.
Would you describe a country that vetoes every last UN resolution against Israel as advanced, when the rest of the world is against them?
Would you describe a country who view the United Nations as redundant and "evil" as advanced?
Would you describe a country that elected George W. Bush as their leader and representative on the international stage as advanced?
Would you describe a country that is discussing abortion rights through the lens of religion as advanced?
America sees every thing as a nail, because its a hammer. That is just brutish strength. Its primitive.
To the South is an entire continent that is right at America's doorstep, quickly making alliances with countries thousands of miles across the globe because they can't deal with America.
While Europe looks to north Africa and the middle east, its neighbors, for lasting treaties built on political, economical and security concerns.
Tell me, do you think an advanced civilization needs a military planted all over the world to get along with it?
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-10-07 02:49:14
The US is a great country. However, it is not perfect. The US is a work in progress and that is a good thing.
Re-writing history by excluding allies, by proclaiming exceptionlism with no acknowledgement to mistakes and failures, does not make the US look strong. It makes us look weak. Are we so afraid our citizens will hate our country if we teach what actually happened?
So far in this thread I've seen at least three people who had no clue the colonies had allies that fought in the American Revolution. I don't even know how you teach that in school without outright lying or not discussing many pivotal moments in the war.
Several people who think the only reason the world is technically advanced is because of the US. No. Each country has contributed to the growth of mankind. Inventions and advancements are created out of the growing body of scientific knowledge.
If you don't want your history from textbooks with a political slant read the primary documents. Most private papers of the founding fathers are available, the treaties are available, and so are the speeches.
By Jetackuu 2014-10-07 02:50:59
I'm laughing my *** over here with these delusions, it's comical. Not you Kara.
By Jetackuu 2014-10-07 02:52:49
To Kara: I don't understand how anyone could not know about the French assist, I mean the damn Statue of Liberty was given to us by France...
By Jetackuu 2014-10-07 02:56:50
Also: George W. Bush was not elected President in 2000, Al Gore was (as almost as disturbing as that may be).
Can thank his daddy and his brother for that one.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-10-07 03:00:17
Yeah, except the world runs on technology that we invented. Have fun living life without the countless modern luxuries we gave to the world. Primitive indeed. "No invention is created in a vaccum". Inventors work from a body of scientific knowledge.
Here's a basic overview of inventions, it's written for kids.
learn from the past, create the future
Howstuffworks covers a lot of articles on inventions. Some goofy articles, some that impact our everyday life from hundreds of years ago.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-10-07 03:01:09
Several people who think the only reason the world is technically advanced is because of the US. No. Each country has contributed to the growth of mankind. Inventions and advancements are created out of the growing body of scientific knowledge.
Nobody here said that the U.S. is the only reason the world is technically advanced, but if it makes you feel better to put your opponents in an imagined box of extremism, I guess go ahead. However, I look around my house and I'm having a really hard time finding modern luxuries that the U.S. didn't invent first, so trying to downplay its contribution seems a little odd unless you're some kind of apologist.
By maldini 2014-10-07 03:03:05
Yeah, except the world runs on technology that we invented. Have fun living life without the countless modern luxuries we gave to the world. Primitive indeed. "No invention is created in a vaccum". Inventors work from a body of scientific knowledge.
Here's a basic overview of inventions, it's written for kids.
learn from the past, create the future
Howstuffworks covers a lot of articles on inventions. Some goofy articles, some that impact our everyday life from hundreds of years ago.
I'm starting to think that you and your husband are teachers? You keep taking everyone to school that's for sure.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-10-07 03:05:07
Several people who think the only reason the world is technically advanced is because of the US. No. Each country has contributed to the growth of mankind. Inventions and advancements are created out of the growing body of scientific knowledge.
Nobody here said that the U.S. is the only reason the world is technically advanced, but if it makes you feel better to put your opponents in an imagined box of extremism, I guess go ahead. However, I look around my house and I'm having a really hard time finding modern luxuries that the U.S. didn't invent first, so trying to downplay its contribution seems a little odd unless you're some kind of apologist. You stated specifically the world runs on technology that the US invented. That is NOT true.
Yeah, except the world runs on technology that we invented.
But if it makes you feel better to make blanket statements without doing an iota of research feel free.
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By maldini 2014-10-07 03:07:36
Several people who think the only reason the world is technically advanced is because of the US. No. Each country has contributed to the growth of mankind. Inventions and advancements are created out of the growing body of scientific knowledge.
Nobody here said that the U.S. is the only reason the world is technically advanced, but if it makes you feel better to put your opponents in an imagined box of extremism, I guess go ahead. However, I look around my house and I'm having a really hard time finding modern luxuries that the U.S. didn't invent first, so trying to downplay its contribution seems a little odd unless you're some kind of apologist.
Sometimes its right under your nose:
Who is Tim Berners-Lee
"The first programmable computer was invented by British mathematician and scientist Charles Babbage in the 1820s."
"The world’s first publicly demonstrated television was invented by British inventor John Logie Baird in 1925."
"The first steam locomotive was invented by Richard Trevithick, a British inventor and mining engineer. "
"The telephone was invented by British inventor Alexander Graham Bell and patented in 1876. "
If anything, the British and Germans are responsible for the majority of modern technology.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-10-07 03:09:35
Several people who think the only reason the world is technically advanced is because of the US. No. Each country has contributed to the growth of mankind. Inventions and advancements are created out of the growing body of scientific knowledge.
Nobody here said that the U.S. is the only reason the world is technically advanced, but if it makes you feel better to put your opponents in an imagined box of extremism, I guess go ahead. However, I look around my house and I'm having a really hard time finding modern luxuries that the U.S. didn't invent first, so trying to downplay its contribution seems a little odd unless you're some kind of apologist. You stated specifically the world runs on technology that the US invented. That is NOT true.
Yeah, except the world runs on technology that we invented.
But if it makes you feel better to make blanket statements without doing an iota of research feel free.
I was referring to a few major inventions in particular that have had a massive impact on the way the world operates. Excuse me for not providing an itemized list of every contribution.
By Jetackuu 2014-10-07 03:47:56
Elisha Gray invented the telephone, an American inventor. Or the controversy is that they arrived at it at the same time and filed on the same day, however the similarities to Gray's work in Bell's is nothing to be ignored.
By Jetackuu 2014-10-07 03:51:18
and the US made the internet, or at the least it's primitive origins.
and two American inventors developed tcp/ip, so suck on that.
but we could do this pissing contest all day, what's the point?
By Voren 2014-10-07 07:16:42
See above for my statements that were made without a lot of research and has holes big enough to drive a mac truck through.
For starters I never stated the U.S. was advanced, I simply said we're not primitive. We're young by comparison to other nations. I also know that not all the things were invented by an American, that would be foolish to even assume.
However, your tag shows that you're from the United Arab Emirates, if this is correct you may want to not throw such large stones from a house made of glass.
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By Cerberus.Valmur 2014-10-07 07:47:13
Wow. 5 pages of shite.. mod(s) on vacation?
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2014-10-07 09:28:42
Also: George W. Bush was not elected President in 2000, Al Gore was (as almost as disturbing as that may be).
Can thank his daddy and his brother for that one. I guess facts don't mean much to you in this matter? Do we really need to go over how most Florida recounts showed that W got more votes? We get it. You want to deny reality because you guys invested what little credibility you had in Gore being the winner. If governors could fix elections, they'd never be voted out. Grow up.
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2014-10-07 09:32:03
And sorry, the US invented the modern world. You don't have to like it, you just have to decide whether or not you choose to live in the denial which so many Europeans tell themselves is reality. The fantasy that Europeans are the cool ones, the educated ones, the modern ones... Your cars still look like Happy Meal toys, your haircuts are still from the 60's, your women are still hairy, and your teeth are still crooked.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-07 10:59:49
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »And sorry, the US invented the modern world. You don't have to like it, you just have to decide whether or not you choose to live in the denial which so many Europeans tell themselves is reality. The fantasy that Europeans are the cool ones, the educated ones, the modern ones... Your cars still look like Happy Meal toys, your haircuts are still from the 60's, your women are still hairy, and your teeth are still crooked. That's actually a funny thing I often tell people here in EU.
So, I went to Vegas and there was a friend to drive me around. She had a huge SUV despite not needing it, but that's the "fine" part of the story.
So, people there all have huge cars. Like, they have no need for them, the "comfort" argument is debatable, and the roads all have 3 to 4 lanes per side. That's 3 to 4 times more than here. And said road are completely empty most of the time. People looked at me as if I was an alien because I was walking on the sidewalk and wasn't using a car. I was always alone on the sidewalk, I've seen one person on it and the guy was jogging.
Everyone uses his/her car, even if it's just to cross the street.
I was at an arcade and there was a Taco Bell on the other side. Naturally, I start walking toward the sidewalk to cross the street and my friend grabs me by the arm and looks at me shocked "what are you doing? we're gonna use the car".
So I look at her and take 2 minutes to explain that a 1 minute walk doesn't need a car. She followed me, by foot, but she had a look on her face as if I was crazy.
Then I had a talk with an old lady who was managing a souvenir store and she spent 30minutes explaining that if you do not have at the very least 2 or 3 bathrooms in your h o u s e, you are living in the third world.
They're not even disconnected from reality, they're simply living in a different one. That's why we can't really take you seriously on some topics such as history, considering you don't even know your own.
Hairy women are best women, and crooked teeth is an United Kingdom exclusivity, so I'm fine with that (you're still cute, English roses).
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2014-10-07 11:03:06
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »Your cars still look like Happy Meal toys, your haircuts are still from the 60's, your women are still hairy, and your teeth are still crooked.
Spoken like someone who has never been to Europe even once in their life.
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By Fenrir.Squintik 2014-10-07 11:05:03
Well to be fair, a lot of vehicles in USA are unreasonably huge - but then again, so are some of the people driving them.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-07 11:15:26
In EU, even if you're 400lbs, you still drive a 206.
But yeah, the USA is usually bigger about everything, not only because they have fat people, I think it has more to do with the fact that their land was completely empty and they could build things the way they want.
So they have large streets, large houses and so on because they can afford the space. Whereas here in EU, most of the streets are hundreds years old, some of them are older than a millenium, you can't really afford building big things or driving the average American SUV.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-10-07 11:19:17
The space has to do with culture. Think of the countries where greeting someone with kisses is acceptable and those where it's considered weird. Streets basically replicate their idea of personal space.
Or so my anthropology professor once said. It seemed to make sense though.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2014-10-07 11:23:03
I dunno about that, no Swede wants to walk this close to a stranger
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-07 11:25:58
The space has to do with culture. Think of the countries where greeting someone with kisses is acceptable and those where it's considered weird. Streets basically replicate their idea of personal space.
Or so my anthropology professor once said. It seemed to make sense though. It makes sense in a way.
This would explain why we have narrow streets in France. I've stopped "kissing" cheeks though, it feels really weird the older I get. I'm bad at kissing the air.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-10-07 11:28:12
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »In EU, even if you're 400lbs, you still drive a 206.
But yeah, the USA is usually bigger about everything, not only because they have fat people, I think it has more to do with the fact that their land was completely empty and they could build things the way they want.
So they have large streets, large houses and so on because they can afford the space. Whereas here in EU, most of the streets are hundreds years old, some of them are older than a millenium, you can't really afford building big things or driving the average American SUV. This is very true. You'll even see the effects of this, on a different scale, in the US currently. The older the city is the less space there usually is.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-10-07 11:33:36
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »And sorry, the US invented the modern world. You don't have to like it, you just have to decide whether or not you choose to live in the denial which so many Europeans tell themselves is reality. The fantasy that Europeans are the cool ones, the educated ones, the modern ones... Your cars still look like Happy Meal toys, your haircuts are still from the 60's, your women are still hairy, and your teeth are still crooked. That's actually a funny thing I often tell people here in EU.
So, I went to Vegas and there was a friend to drive me around. She had a huge SUV despite not needing it, but that's the "fine" part of the story.
So, people there all have huge cars. Like, they have no need for them, the "comfort" argument is debatable, and the roads all have 3 to 4 lanes per side. That's 3 to 4 times more than here. And said road are completely empty most of the time. People looked at me as if I was an alien because I was walking on the sidewalk and wasn't using a car. I was always alone on the sidewalk, I've seen one person on it and the guy was jogging.
Everyone uses his/her car, even if it's just to cross the street.
I was at an arcade and there was a Taco Bell on the other side. Naturally, I start walking toward the sidewalk to cross the street and my friend grabs me by the arm and looks at me shocked "what are you doing? we're gonna use the car".
So I look at her and take 2 minutes to explain that a 1 minute walk doesn't need a car. She followed me, by foot, but she had a look on her face as if I was crazy.
Then I had a talk with an old lady who was managing a souvenir store and she spent 30minutes explaining that if you do not have at the very least 2 or 3 bathrooms in your h o u s e, you are living in the third world.
They're not even disconnected from reality, they're simply living in a different one. That's why we can't really take you seriously on some topics such as history, considering you don't even know your own.
Hairy women are best women, and crooked teeth is an United Kingdom exclusivity, so I'm fine with that (you're still cute, English roses). I've never actually been to Vegas but this whole idea of Americans not walking anywhere is ludicrous. If you go to any major city you'll see thousands of people all over the place walking everywhere. There's even been a new initiative in my own city where they have stations all over the place that allow you to rent a bycicle which has become really popular.
As for the large roads it has more to do with rush hour traffic than anything... When you have this many people commuting in and out of the city every day it accomodate a larger population and we have the space to do it.
I'd laugh at someone who got in their car to cross the street for a taco.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-10-07 11:37:40
The space has to do with culture. Think of the countries where greeting someone with kisses is acceptable and those where it's considered weird. Streets basically replicate their idea of personal space.
Or so my anthropology professor once said. It seemed to make sense though. Personally I think it's more of a combination what's been discussed (available space) and accomodating the population size and foot traffic.
Quote: IRBIL, Iraq — A former French intelligence officer who defected to al Qaida was among the targets of the first wave of U.S. air strikes in Syria last month, according to people familiar with the defector’s movements and identity.
Two European intelligence officials described the former French officer as the highest ranking defector ever to go over to the terrorist group and called his defection one of the most dangerous developments in the West’s long confrontation with al Qaida.
The identity of the officer is a closely guarded secret. Two people, independently of one another, provided the same name, which McClatchy is withholding pending further confirmation. All of the sources agreed that a former French officer was one of the people targeted when the United States struck eight locations occupied by the Nusra Front, al Qaida’s Syrian affiliate. The former officer apparently survived the assault, which included strikes by 47 cruise missiles.
U.S. officials have acknowledged that the assault on the Nusra Front locations, which came as the Americans and coalition partners also struck Islamic State positions elsewhere, was aimed at members of what the Obama administration has dubbed the Khorasan group, a unit of top-level terror operatives who had been dispatched to Syria to plot attacks on the West.
The only member of that unit U.S. officials have identified is Muhsin al Fahdli, a 33-year-old one-time confidant of al Qaida founder Osama bin Laden. The United States offered a $7 million reward in October 2012 for information leading to Fahdli’s death or capture. Twitter accounts associated with jihadi sympathizers have said Fahdli was killed, but U.S. officials have said that information remains unconfirmed.
The former French officer may have been a more important target. Syrian rebels battling to topple President Bashar Assad said that U.S. officials had told them before the strikes that they were closely monitoring the defector’s movements.
European intelligence officials said the former officer had defected from either French military intelligence or from France’s foreign intelligence agency, the General Directorate for External Security, known by its French-language acronym as the DGSE.
The former officer, according to one rebel source, is an explosives expert who fought in Afghanistan and in Syria with al Qaida and had assembled a group of about five men that was operating out of a mosque in Idlib.
The French operative is “still alive and kicking” after the airstrikes, said one European intelligence official, who described the man as “highly trained in Western intelligence trade-craft and explosives.” The combination of Western-style intelligence training and devout jihadist beliefs made him among the most dangerous of al Qaida operatives, the intelligence official said.
It was unknown whether the former officer’s al Qaida sympathies were missed during the French vetting process or manifested themselves later.
Four European intelligence agents from a variety of countries with a range of knowledge of the situation were able to confirm or partially confirm the French agent’s existence. All declined to speak for attribution because of the sensitive nature of the information and because they feared being charged criminally in their home countries for revealing classified information. One called the existence of the French officer “absolutely top secret.”
“I’m rather appalled I’m even having this conversation,” he said.
“We don’t know if he was sleeper [agent] or radicalized after he joined the service,” said another European intelligence official familiar with the man’s background. “I assume my French colleagues are working hard to determine that and if they have figured it out, they certainly aren’t sharing how they ended up in this mess, which as you could expect they find rather embarrassing.”
Two European intelligence sources provided the man’s name but asked that it not be published – one cited possible violence in France against the man’s family. Both independently provided the same name.
When reached for comment on the situation, a U.S. intelligence official refused to provide any information.
Three attempts to discuss the matter with French intelligence services were rebuffed. “There is no way I am going to discuss this matter” was one response.
An intelligence official from a third country, who said that his familiarity with the situation stemmed only from casual conversation and not from an official briefing, said the situation represents an “epic nightmare that we have so far been spared.”
“We’ve seen Arab partners lose well trained people to these groups, and in a handful of cases those defectors have benefited from our training through partnership programs,” he said. “It’s the cost of doing business when you aid some of our regional allies.”
But the French officer’s defection, he said, is the first he’d heard of by “someone with legitimate security clearance and Western-style vetting and training.”
“As embarrassed as the French must be right now, it should be pointed out that the French services are highly regarded within the intelligence community as consummate and loyal professionals,” he said. “This failure, and I do believe this happened, must be seen in the context as an outlier and not anything systematic about the French services.”
One European official directly familiar with the case said the partial confusion over the man’s resume – which has been alternately described as French Special Forces, military intelligence or DGSE – probably stems from the overlapping “seconding” process where specialists move between branches of the government on a fairly regular basis.
“It sounds likely he started as French military and maybe because of an Arabic family background and appearance, language skills and a high degree of competency, he would then be loaned out to different aspects of the French services,” the European official said. “Everyone does that all the time,” he said, citing as an example a member of the U.S. military’s Special Operations Command being assigned to the CIA.
For their part, Syrian rebels, who are already furious at the United States for not notifying them in advance about the strikes and for not including Assad government facilities among the targets, expressed puzzlement at why the U.S. government hadn’t approached them about trying to seize the man.
But a European intelligence official said the decision to try to strike the defector with a missile rather than capture him was in part to keep the French agent’s existence a secret. “Perhaps some problems are best buried forever under a pile of rubble,” he said.
Quote: Agent is said to be highest ranking official to have joined organization
Quote: He is the first known person “with legitimate security clearance and Western-style vetting and training”
Quote: he is a former explosives expert with an Arab family and his movements are being closely watched by Western authorities.
Full story
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/10/05/242218_sources-us-air-strikes-in-syria.html?sp=/99/117/&rh=1#storylink=cpy
A high ranking intelligence agent defecting to a rogue paramilitary group? Maybe he's a triple agent?

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