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French Intelligence Officer Defects to Al Qaida
By volkom 2014-10-06 17:24:50
Why do you think they left in the first place?
They saw the ***hitting the fan and ran for the hills faster than anyone. That's intelligence in my book!
Ummm...You don't have to tell me or Senk.
You goobers have a habit of chalking everything to an "all or nothing" mentality. Can you elaborate?
I think you are misinterpreting the value of "one or the other" argument, which is basically as black/white as you can get.
You can't "partially win" in a war, it's all or nothing. Then again, it's very possible for both sides to lose in a war, so it could also be a nothing or nothing argument also.
All or nothing mentality~
America #1 or GTFO
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-10-06 17:25:58
Phoenix.Demonjustin said: »I mean, with no intent to derail, we have issues with bribery, healthcare, violence, education, drugs, and more, all of which have in some form been solved by other nations already.
Yeah, you might wanna be more specific. I'd like to see any of the countries you think have these problems solved manage a nation with a population as large as the U.S. and with the same degree of diversity. It has nothing to do with being primitive. It'd be like me managing a classroom with 3 kids that all succeed and saying I'm a better teacher than one managing 30 kids and having troubles.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 17:27:04
Phoenix.Demonjustin said: »Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »If anything, you're not war mongers, you're just primitives, trying to catch up to us and the thousands of years where we had fun.
USA, always behind someone.
Yeah, except the world runs on technology that we invented. Have fun living life without the countless modern luxuries we gave to the world. Primitive indeed. Quote: prim·i·tive
ˈprimədiv/
adjective
1.
relating to, denoting, or preserving the character of an early stage in the evolutionary or historical development of something. Compared to other nations, we are primitive. We've been around for only a short period of time, and while we may develop technology it doesn't change the fact that as a country we're in the early stages of our development by comparison to other nations. I mean, with no intent to derail, we have issues with bribery, healthcare, violence, education, drugs, and more, all of which have in some form been solved by other nations already. We simply shrug it off and think ourselves better off as we are, but to me, that seems to show a lack of progress on our part. It's proof we're still developing, especially when it comes to the idea that we may not be the most amazing country of all time, something we say constantly.
Long story short, the US is primitive because it still has yet to evolve to the same level as other nations. We've been around only a few hundred years, we can't expect to be as evolved as a country which has been around for more than a millenium. This guy gets it.
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You're just feeling the thirst for war now, in this modern world, so yes, you look like warmongers, primitive ones, while us, we've fought for so long that we actually understand the modern world and how to fit in it. Same goes for Asia. Why do you think the only part of the world that is at war outside of the religion middelt east is the USA?
North Korea is like you, just poorer and not capitalist in the same way. Think about it.
I never talked about winning. All I said is "France lost Indochine", which is a fact.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 17:27:54
Phoenix.Demonjustin said: »Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »If anything, you're not war mongers, you're just primitives, trying to catch up to us and the thousands of years where we had fun.
USA, always behind someone.
Yeah, except the world runs on technology that we invented. Have fun living life without the countless modern luxuries we gave to the world. Primitive indeed. Quote: prim·i·tive
ˈprimədiv/
adjective
1.
relating to, denoting, or preserving the character of an early stage in the evolutionary or historical development of something. Compared to other nations, we are primitive. We've been around for only a short period of time, and while we may develop technology it doesn't change the fact that as a country we're in the early stages of our development by comparison to other nations. I mean, with no intent to derail, we have issues with bribery, healthcare, violence, education, drugs, and more, all of which have in some form been solved by other nations already. We simply shrug it off and think ourselves better off as we are, but to me, that seems to show a lack of progress on our part. It's proof we're still developing, especially when it comes to the idea that we may not be the most amazing country of all time, something we say constantly.
Long story short, the US is primitive because it still has yet to evolve to the same level as other nations. We've been around only a few hundred years, we can't expect to be as evolved as a country which has been around for more than a millenium. I'm sorry, but what?
Time does not make knowledge. The US has been a world leader for a shorter time frame, but you know what? We have lead the world for years in technology, societal, economic, and global politics. We have done so in a much quicker time frame than other countries, we have brought countries out of anarchy by diplomacy and we continue to lead the world in key aspects, especially global politics (as much as I hate to say it today).
How is that primitive again? This country as evolved the rest of the world due to our influence. Can you honestly say that the world isn't in a much better and different state than when America first started in 1776?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-10-06 17:28:29
You're comparing us to North Korea and holding up France as a beacon of modern perfection? Puh-freaking-lease.
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By Artemicion 2014-10-06 17:29:50
Can you elaborate?
I think you are misinterpreting the value of "one or the other" argument, which is basically as black/white as you can get.
You can't "partially win" in a war, it's all or nothing. Then again, it's very possible for both sides to lose in a war, so it could also be a nothing or nothing argument also.
Believe it or not, there are nuances to the political and logistical aspects of war. It takes an immense amount of political tact, resources, military mobilization, which can be extremely taxing on even the mightiest of nations. Outside of outright conquest, there's no real "victory" in war, rather it comes down to who is willing to cut their losses first.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 17:30:18
You're comparing us to North Korea and holding up France as a beacon of modern perfection? Puh-freaking-lease. Oh my bad, by "us" I mean literally every single Asian and EU country, and any other country that is close to us historically and nowadays in term of status.
I didn't mean France specifically, even the worst EU country still makes USA look pathetic on the History scale, such as Greece or Spain.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-10-06 17:32:16
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »You're comparing us to North Korea and holding up France as a beacon of modern perfection? Puh-freaking-lease. Oh my bad, by "us" I mean literally every single Asian and EU country, and any other country that is close to us historically and nowadays in term of status.
I didn't mean France specifically, even the worst EU country still makes USA look pathetic on the History scale, such as Greece or Spain.
Welp, we just confirmed that Senkyuutai is delusional.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 17:33:29
Can you elaborate?
I think you are misinterpreting the value of "one or the other" argument, which is basically as black/white as you can get.
You can't "partially win" in a war, it's all or nothing. Then again, it's very possible for both sides to lose in a war, so it could also be a nothing or nothing argument also.
Believe it or not, there are nuances to the political and logistical aspects of war. It takes an immense amount of political tact, resources, military mobilization, which can be extremely taxing on even the mightiest of nations. Outside of outright conquest, there's no real "victory" in war, rather it comes down to who is willing to cut their losses first. I don't disagree with you that every war is filled with losers, but you have to admit that most wars have an overall winner (the victor) and loser (the vanquished).
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 17:34:09
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »You're comparing us to North Korea and holding up France as a beacon of modern perfection? Puh-freaking-lease. Oh my bad, by "us" I mean literally every single Asian and EU country, and any other country that is close to us historically and nowadays in term of status.
I didn't mean France specifically, even the worst EU country still makes USA look pathetic on the History scale, such as Greece or Spain.
I'm sorry, but what?
Time does not make knowledge. The US has been a world leader for a shorter time frame, but you know what? We have lead the world for years in technology, societal, economic, and global politics. We have done so in a much quicker time frame than other countries, we have brought countries out of anarchy by diplomacy and we continue to lead the world in key aspects, especially global politics (as much as I hate to say it today).
How is that primitive again? This country as evolved the rest of the world due to our influence. Can you honestly say that the world isn't in a much better and different state than when America first started in 1776?
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By Phoenix.Demonjustin 2014-10-06 17:36:03
It has nothing to do with being primitive. Actually, it does. For the sake of comparison to evolution, our country allows for things to change via amendments in a similar way to mutations, these cause our country to evolve and become better. The further back you go, the less evolved we were, and the more primitive we were as a society. Unless we're planning for the US to get wiped off the face of the earth sometime soon no matter how you look at it we're primitive as this country will continue to evolve for quite some time I'd hope. Currently there are groups trying for an amendment to get money out of politics for instance, this would be just another step in our evolutionary process.
Other countries which have been around longer have had more time to *** a situation and figure out how to deal with it. Their time they've been around has given them the advantage of allowing them to find ways to solve their problems by now. No matter how you look at it, the US doesn't have that advantage, we're not as old and lack that time others have had to find out flaws, come to terms with them, and solve them properly. You may not like the term, but to me it seems the word primitive does fit fairly well.
Just want to point out. The first half of this post was more or less talking about us being primitive at this point in history vs our end result. The second half was more about comparing us to others in the current day world. In both we're in a way primitive, I simply wanted to address both views of it.
By Artemicion 2014-10-06 17:37:21
Can you elaborate?
I think you are misinterpreting the value of "one or the other" argument, which is basically as black/white as you can get.
You can't "partially win" in a war, it's all or nothing. Then again, it's very possible for both sides to lose in a war, so it could also be a nothing or nothing argument also.
Believe it or not, there are nuances to the political and logistical aspects of war. It takes an immense amount of political tact, resources, military mobilization, which can be extremely taxing on even the mightiest of nations. Outside of outright conquest, there's no real "victory" in war, rather it comes down to who is willing to cut their losses first. I don't disagree with you that every war is filled with losers, but you have to admit that most wars have an overall winner (the victor) and loser (the vanquished).
I suppose I have a habit of distinguishing conquest from (political) war. In my eyes, there is something to be gained through conquest. Typically land, resources, culture, inhabitants, etc. But with conventional war, it all comes down to politics. Leaders being unhappy with the way others are running their show, whether it's a legitimate cause or not, is ultimately a political objective.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 17:37:29
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »You're comparing us to North Korea and holding up France as a beacon of modern perfection? Puh-freaking-lease. Oh my bad, by "us" I mean literally every single Asian and EU country, and any other country that is close to us historically and nowadays in term of status.
I didn't mean France specifically, even the worst EU country still makes USA look pathetic on the History scale, such as Greece or Spain.
Welp, we just confirmed that Senkyuutai is delusional. >country doesn't break 300years of history
>their entire population is made of people who went there from other countries
>their entire country revolve around the whole world feeding them people, their entire history
>they see countries that are literally at the very least 10 times older than them
>they want to catch up with the fun and go at war since they see the old countries being mostly sleepy
>this guy is delusional for pointing it out
The way you guys should think is:
- We are called warmongers
- What did we do to get called warmongers?
- Oh, we did that, this could explain it
- Should we really bash them for being X and Y when our country was made thanks to their ancestors, which then became ours?
- Do we look like idiots?
But, I'll agree that if you go that specific path, you then stop posting altogether in any thread that isn't about USA inner issues. So you've made your choice, I respect it but I'll still call you and your friends idiots for making that choice.
Deal with it.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-10-06 17:42:05
Phoenix.Demonjustin said: »It has nothing to do with being primitive. Actually, it does. For the sake of comparison to evolution, our country allows for things to change via amendments in a similar way to mutations, these cause our country to evolve and become better. The further back you go, the less evolved we were, and the more primitive we were as a society. Unless we're planning for the US to get wiped off the face of the earth sometime soon no matter how you look at it we're primitive as this country will continue to evolve for quite some time I'd hope. Currently there are groups trying for an amendment to get money out of politics for instance, this would be just another step in our evolutionary process.
Other countries which have been around longer have had more time to *** a situation and figure out how to deal with it. Their time they've been around has given them the advantage of allowing them to find ways to solve their problems by now. No matter how you look at it, the US doesn't have that advantage, we're not as old and lack that time others have had to find out flaws, come to terms with them, and solve them properly. You may not like the term, but to me it seems the word primitive does fit fairly well.
I'm not saying we don't have a long way to go, but be more specific. Exactly what countries are you referring to? Please don't tell me you're only thinking of small countries with small populations and low diversity, because no duh they're going to have less issues to deal with.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 17:42:18
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »You're comparing us to North Korea and holding up France as a beacon of modern perfection? Puh-freaking-lease. Oh my bad, by "us" I mean literally every single Asian and EU country, and any other country that is close to us historically and nowadays in term of status.
I didn't mean France specifically, even the worst EU country still makes USA look pathetic on the History scale, such as Greece or Spain.
I'm sorry, but what?
Time does not make knowledge. The US has been a world leader for a shorter time frame, but you know what? We have lead the world for years in technology, societal, economic, and global politics. We have done so in a much quicker time frame than other countries, we have brought countries out of anarchy by diplomacy and we continue to lead the world in key aspects, especially global politics (as much as I hate to say it today).
How is that primitive again? This country as evolved the rest of the world due to our influence. Can you honestly say that the world isn't in a much better and different state than when America first started in 1776? Holy *** man, hahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Holy ***, are you for real?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-10-06 17:44:23
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »- We are called warmongers
- What did we do to get called warmongers?
- Oh, we did that, this could explain it
- Should we really bash them for being X and Y when our country was made thanks to their ancestors, which then became ours?
- Do we look like idiots?
According to the list on page 3, France has been involved in more wars since the U.S. became a nation. Who are the warmongers again? Or are we just called that because our military is vastly superior to yours?
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 17:46:25
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »- We are called warmongers
- What did we do to get called warmongers?
- Oh, we did that, this could explain it
- Should we really bash them for being X and Y when our country was made thanks to their ancestors, which then became ours?
- Do we look like idiots?
According to the list on page 3, France has been involved in more wars since the U.S. became a nation. Who are the warmongers again? Or are we just called that because our military is vastly superior to yours? You can't read, it's unreal.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-10-06 17:47:46
Or you suck at arguing. I'm betting on the latter.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 17:50:02
Or you suck at arguing. I'm betting on the latter. I've explained twice on this page alone the answer to the previous thread I quoted.
Stop being a 8 years old retard and learn to read. This is seriously mind blowing, I'm not just being insulting for fun here, you are literally a *** idiot.
It's written twice for ***'s sake, do you have an issue with your brain or what? Seriously now, I'm starting to believe you have real issues.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-10-06 17:51:54
Yeah, except the world runs on technology that we invented. Have fun living life without the countless modern luxuries we gave to the world. Primitive indeed. *facepalm* and you three got the balls to call others delusional.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-10-06 17:52:54
Well, you've yet to come up with a proper explanation for how even the crappiest county in Europe is better than the U.S. aside from "cuz I said so". That must be why everyone wants to emigrate here instead of some middle-of-nowhere country in Europe that's supposedly better.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 17:55:57
Well, you've yet to come up with a proper explanation for how even the crappiest county in Europe is better than the U.S. aside from "cuz I said so". That must be why everyone wants to emigrate here instead of some middle-of-nowhere country in Europe that's supposedly better. Jesus, you are one really slow kid. I'm questioning your ability to breathe right now.
They're above you because they have 10 times your existence span and they've done more wars than you ever will due to how the modern world is. They have therefore left the primitive stage and are now doing things differently, different from the US.
Here, that's a summary just for you because you're special.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-10-06 17:56:52
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Well, you've yet to come up with a proper explanation for how even the crappiest county in Europe is better than the U.S. aside from "cuz I said so". That must be why everyone wants to emigrate here instead of some middle-of-nowhere country in Europe that's supposedly better. Jesus, you are one really slow kid. I'm questioning your ability to breathe right now.
They're above you because they have 10 times your existence span and they've done more wars than you ever will due to how the modern world is. They have therefore left the primitive stage and are now doing things differently, different from the US.
Here, that's a summary just for you because you're special.
Lol, if being around longer makes you better, go live in Ethiopia. Horrible basis for an argument.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 17:57:54
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Well, you've yet to come up with a proper explanation for how even the crappiest county in Europe is better than the U.S. aside from "cuz I said so". That must be why everyone wants to emigrate here instead of some middle-of-nowhere country in Europe that's supposedly better. Jesus, you are one really slow kid. I'm questioning your ability to breathe right now.
They're above you because they have 10 times your existence span and they've done more wars than you ever will due to how the modern world is. They have therefore left the primitive stage and are now doing things differently, different from the US.
Here, that's a summary just for you because you're special.
Lol, if being around longer makes you better, go live in Ethiopia. Horrible basis for an argument. We're talking civilized war mongers here that are alive in 2014.
See, this is why you're one slow kid.
You're so wet behind the ears it hurts.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-10-06 17:59:13
Yeah, being around longer still doesn't automatically make you better. You're just moving the goalposts now, and your insults are worse than your logic.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 18:01:56
Yeah, being around longer still doesn't automatically make you better. You're just moving the goalposts now, and your insults are worse than your logic. Moving what?
We're comparing war mongers and you're being so buttdevastated that I'm saying that your country is primitive about it (and in general) that you forget even the very root of what devastated said butt.
You definitely are a kid.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-10-06 18:04:47
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Yeah, being around longer still doesn't automatically make you better. You're just moving the goalposts now, and your insults are worse than your logic. Moving what?
We're comparing war mongers and you're being so buttdevastated that I'm saying that your country is primitive about it (and in general) that you forget even the very root of what devastated said butt.
You definitely are a kid.
Who's the one throwing around schoolyard insults, Junior? I'll tell my wife someone thinks I'm a kid. She'll get a kick out of that. I'm not devastated by the fact you think the U.S. is primitive about war, I just find it amusing that you think European nations are better about it just because they've been around longer. If the last century doesn't shoot down that theory, I dunno what does.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-10-06 18:06:11
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Yeah, being around longer still doesn't automatically make you better. You're just moving the goalposts now, and your insults are worse than your logic. Moving what?
We're comparing war mongers and you're being so buttdevastated that I'm saying that your country is primitive about it (and in general) that you forget even the very root of what devastated said butt.
You definitely are a kid.
Who's the one throwing around schoolyard insults, Junior? I'll tell my wife someone thinks I'm a kid. She'll get a kick out of that. I'm not devastated by the fact you think the U.S. is primitive about war, I just find it amusing that you think European nations are better about it just because they've been around longer. If the last century doesn't shoot down that theory, I dunno what does. Your country isn't wise.
It's as simple as that. Do you respect your elders for their knowledge and because they're wise? Yes? Then you follow my logic. No? Then you are one sad human being.
This is a black and white situation, not usual with me, but you're pretty much arguing that the sky isn't blue here.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 18:13:47
Can you elaborate?
I think you are misinterpreting the value of "one or the other" argument, which is basically as black/white as you can get.
You can't "partially win" in a war, it's all or nothing. Then again, it's very possible for both sides to lose in a war, so it could also be a nothing or nothing argument also.
Believe it or not, there are nuances to the political and logistical aspects of war. It takes an immense amount of political tact, resources, military mobilization, which can be extremely taxing on even the mightiest of nations. Outside of outright conquest, there's no real "victory" in war, rather it comes down to who is willing to cut their losses first. I don't disagree with you that every war is filled with losers, but you have to admit that most wars have an overall winner (the victor) and loser (the vanquished).
I suppose I have a habit of distinguishing conquest from (political) war. In my eyes, there is something to be gained through conquest. Typically land, resources, culture, inhabitants, etc. But with conventional war, it all comes down to politics. Leaders being unhappy with the way others are running their show, whether it's a legitimate cause or not, is ultimately a political objective. I understand. How about we both agree then?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-10-06 18:18:07
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »>country doesn't break 300years of history So? The US has done more good for the world than France has, both in the past 300 years and in entirety.
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »>their entire population is made of people who went there from other countries So? You think that Frenchmen and Frenchwomen just pop'd out of the ground one day? News flash, your country was founded on immigrants too, genius!
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »>their entire country revolve around the whole world feeding them people, their entire history WTF are you talking about Willis?
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »>they see countries that are literally at the very least 10 times older than them So? We still dominate them in every political and social aspect in the global world.
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »>they want to catch up with the fun and go at war since they see the old countries being mostly sleepy Yeah, no. That's because the rest of the world has made the USA the world's policeman. You can thank the UN for that.
The point is, there is a point in time to be proud of your country, but you shouldn't take it too far to be delusional about it.
Quote: IRBIL, Iraq — A former French intelligence officer who defected to al Qaida was among the targets of the first wave of U.S. air strikes in Syria last month, according to people familiar with the defector’s movements and identity.
Two European intelligence officials described the former French officer as the highest ranking defector ever to go over to the terrorist group and called his defection one of the most dangerous developments in the West’s long confrontation with al Qaida.
The identity of the officer is a closely guarded secret. Two people, independently of one another, provided the same name, which McClatchy is withholding pending further confirmation. All of the sources agreed that a former French officer was one of the people targeted when the United States struck eight locations occupied by the Nusra Front, al Qaida’s Syrian affiliate. The former officer apparently survived the assault, which included strikes by 47 cruise missiles.
U.S. officials have acknowledged that the assault on the Nusra Front locations, which came as the Americans and coalition partners also struck Islamic State positions elsewhere, was aimed at members of what the Obama administration has dubbed the Khorasan group, a unit of top-level terror operatives who had been dispatched to Syria to plot attacks on the West.
The only member of that unit U.S. officials have identified is Muhsin al Fahdli, a 33-year-old one-time confidant of al Qaida founder Osama bin Laden. The United States offered a $7 million reward in October 2012 for information leading to Fahdli’s death or capture. Twitter accounts associated with jihadi sympathizers have said Fahdli was killed, but U.S. officials have said that information remains unconfirmed.
The former French officer may have been a more important target. Syrian rebels battling to topple President Bashar Assad said that U.S. officials had told them before the strikes that they were closely monitoring the defector’s movements.
European intelligence officials said the former officer had defected from either French military intelligence or from France’s foreign intelligence agency, the General Directorate for External Security, known by its French-language acronym as the DGSE.
The former officer, according to one rebel source, is an explosives expert who fought in Afghanistan and in Syria with al Qaida and had assembled a group of about five men that was operating out of a mosque in Idlib.
The French operative is “still alive and kicking” after the airstrikes, said one European intelligence official, who described the man as “highly trained in Western intelligence trade-craft and explosives.” The combination of Western-style intelligence training and devout jihadist beliefs made him among the most dangerous of al Qaida operatives, the intelligence official said.
It was unknown whether the former officer’s al Qaida sympathies were missed during the French vetting process or manifested themselves later.
Four European intelligence agents from a variety of countries with a range of knowledge of the situation were able to confirm or partially confirm the French agent’s existence. All declined to speak for attribution because of the sensitive nature of the information and because they feared being charged criminally in their home countries for revealing classified information. One called the existence of the French officer “absolutely top secret.”
“I’m rather appalled I’m even having this conversation,” he said.
“We don’t know if he was sleeper [agent] or radicalized after he joined the service,” said another European intelligence official familiar with the man’s background. “I assume my French colleagues are working hard to determine that and if they have figured it out, they certainly aren’t sharing how they ended up in this mess, which as you could expect they find rather embarrassing.”
Two European intelligence sources provided the man’s name but asked that it not be published – one cited possible violence in France against the man’s family. Both independently provided the same name.
When reached for comment on the situation, a U.S. intelligence official refused to provide any information.
Three attempts to discuss the matter with French intelligence services were rebuffed. “There is no way I am going to discuss this matter” was one response.
An intelligence official from a third country, who said that his familiarity with the situation stemmed only from casual conversation and not from an official briefing, said the situation represents an “epic nightmare that we have so far been spared.”
“We’ve seen Arab partners lose well trained people to these groups, and in a handful of cases those defectors have benefited from our training through partnership programs,” he said. “It’s the cost of doing business when you aid some of our regional allies.”
But the French officer’s defection, he said, is the first he’d heard of by “someone with legitimate security clearance and Western-style vetting and training.”
“As embarrassed as the French must be right now, it should be pointed out that the French services are highly regarded within the intelligence community as consummate and loyal professionals,” he said. “This failure, and I do believe this happened, must be seen in the context as an outlier and not anything systematic about the French services.”
One European official directly familiar with the case said the partial confusion over the man’s resume – which has been alternately described as French Special Forces, military intelligence or DGSE – probably stems from the overlapping “seconding” process where specialists move between branches of the government on a fairly regular basis.
“It sounds likely he started as French military and maybe because of an Arabic family background and appearance, language skills and a high degree of competency, he would then be loaned out to different aspects of the French services,” the European official said. “Everyone does that all the time,” he said, citing as an example a member of the U.S. military’s Special Operations Command being assigned to the CIA.
For their part, Syrian rebels, who are already furious at the United States for not notifying them in advance about the strikes and for not including Assad government facilities among the targets, expressed puzzlement at why the U.S. government hadn’t approached them about trying to seize the man.
But a European intelligence official said the decision to try to strike the defector with a missile rather than capture him was in part to keep the French agent’s existence a secret. “Perhaps some problems are best buried forever under a pile of rubble,” he said.
Quote: Agent is said to be highest ranking official to have joined organization
Quote: He is the first known person “with legitimate security clearance and Western-style vetting and training”
Quote: he is a former explosives expert with an Arab family and his movements are being closely watched by Western authorities.
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A high ranking intelligence agent defecting to a rogue paramilitary group? Maybe he's a triple agent?

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